Nader holds press conference today at 1 pm (11-10-04)

[Catchawave]

Ralph Nader Holds Press Conference in Washington, DC 1:00 PM, November 10, 2004
Was Every Vote Counted Accurately?
Nader/Camejo Goes Forward with Hand Recount in New Hampshire
Washington, DC: Independent Presidential Candidate Ralph Nader will be holding a press conference at 1:00 in at 1616 P Street, NW, 7th Floor. The press conference will focus on widespread reports of voting problems that raise questions about vote counting. The United States needs to face up to serious shortcomings in its electoral process so that we can have trust in the results of the vote.

http://www.votenader.com/media_press/index.php?cid=403

[trogdor]

1. Can we then FINALLY, AT LAST ignore this man?

I mean, the guy got less than 1% support nationwide. His impact on the election was negligible. Recounting New Hampshire would accomplish NOTHING, and everyone but Ralph agrees on this. Finally, he just makes the left look silly, and we'd be better off without him.

[Carolinian]

3. Nader is the perfect one to take this on. Go Ralphie!

[JPace]

27. We need election reform and we need it badly....

we need it more than almost any other issue for if we do not
get a better handle on the process and make it as open, less
apt to be tampered with, and accurate as possible than nothing
we do toward winning a Democratic majority again is possible.

What ever our personal opinions are of Nader, he does shine at
making the system fairer for the common citizen.

[Amigust]

50. What we need is to REVERSE this election, based on the fraudulent

results that are widespread. Next time is just not good enough.

[SmokingJacket]

36. I was hating the guy for dividing democrats...

but he has nothing to gain or lose by doing a recount, so I say his motives are probably pure. The exit polls were way off here, so doing a recount will either set people's suspicions to rest, or will point the way to further investigations.

Nothing wrong with this, imho.

[On the Road]

2. Finally, Nader is Doing Something Positive

This is exactly the type of situation where Nader is good. He's a publicity hound and a bulldog. No way is he going to let the Democratic establishment sweep the irregularities under the carpet.

[9119495]

4. But that is the Nader of old. He has squandered his credibility

with most dems--and he never had any with the right because he took on their corporations. Now he is dismissed as an opportunist, whether the charge is deserved or not. Sad but true.

You'd think there'd be some sensible republicans and democrats that would come forward on this one. What about Gary Hart and his 9-11 commission?

[On the Road]

6. Can You Take Yes for an Answer?

This is great news. I would much rather see Nader dogging the recount than a member of the Democratic establishment. If Nader were going to whitewash the results, he wouldn't have asked for the recount in the first place. He knows something, and he knows that the first goal is bringing the problems to the light of day.

[Skwmom]

43. Amazing how both Dems and Republicans want to discredit Nader.

Maybe they want to discredit Nader to discredit his message. Wonder why that would be? Hmmmm..... I don't think it's too difficult to figure out if you'll start to think on your own instead of jumping on the latest meme bandwagon.

[9119495]

44. I agree. I'd take Nader's word on these recount/fraud

issues, but my point is that I'm in the minority. Who else will listen.

If a man says some really good shit in the forest with no one else around, does it matter? What is people accepted by both sides did it? I say "nader says..." and it get a laugh from both rep and dem friends. That is my point.

[Florida_Geek]

5. Nobody knows what Ralph will

say, could be "No Problems with the voting as I see it"

[halobeam]

7. Now that's highly doubtful...

He wouldn't be calling a press conference to say, everything's okay with the vote count. Really.

I don't understand the problem some people have with him doing this, I don't see anyone else holding a press conference and demanding the re-count and irregularities to be faced, and fixed, so that the American people to trust their voting system.

This is at the guts of our democracy. Thank you Ralph.

[MuseRider]

8. He is the perfect guy

to take this issue on. Go Ralph.

edit for spelling

[Zero Gravitas]

9. What if Nader had a press conference

and no-one showed up?

[bloodyjack]

33. Does he make a sound?

[NNN0LHI]

10. Why wasn't fuckhead Ralph in Florida in 2000 for that recount?

You know the one. That recount that actually meant something.

Don

[Forkboy]

11. So do you think this is a good or bad thing he's doing now?

[Amigust]

52. The Democratic Party was coordinating the challenge in 2000.

They refused to step in when the request was made of them a few days ago to start the state recount process in NH. So Ralph was asked, as a second choice, and he agreed.

[Sideways]

12. Do You Guys Know That DU Folks Are Responsible For This?

Ida Briggs, Hedda Foil, Eloriel, Faun Otter are some of the people here who crunched the numbers and contacted Ralph. He was on the ballot in NH and has the legal standing to challenge the results. He is seeking to establish a pattern and NH is small and easy to examine and the chance of fraud there(based on exit polling) is BIG.

DUers busted their asses for this chance and Ralph is willing to give it a shot. Right now if fucking Ari Fleisher were sincerely offering help I'd fucking take it. 'Nuff said.

[Forkboy]

15. And these are some of the few DUers

who didn't spend the last 4 years talking about how hairy Nader was,or the size of his penis,and actually saw what was coming right down the pike at us again.It's shame more DUers weren't so busy looking for scapegoats all this time (and judging from DU since election night the desire to scapegoat others is still the main Dem practice when the shit hits the fan).

[Sideways]

18. HiYa Fork

Good to see you. :hi:

[Forkboy]

20. Good to be seen

:)

I'll have to get used to your new nic now :hi:

[Jo March]

23. I'm with you, Sideways

We have to let Ralph do this. We have to. If Kerry did it, there'd be no end to the villification from the right and the press.

Ralph doesn't give a shit what people say about him. That's a good thing, people.

[trogdor]

41. OK, if it's a DU initiative.

I'll retract my previous statement. I apologize.

[bemildred]

13. Mr. Kerry, by folding his tent, taking our money, and sneaking away

proved that Ralphie was right.

[DebinTx]

14. I'm all for Nader doing this

and he may have a lot more sway with dems in the future if he's successful. He has every right to challenge the vote and it takes the heat off Kerry and the democratic party. He's really doing the whole country a favor.

[lebkuchen]

16. Yes, who would oppose Nader's efforts?

Time to put away the shoulder chips and get to the bottom of this obviously fraudulent election.

[alfredo]

34. I think this was planned

Remember that Kerry and Nader met during the election cycle. Did Kerry need someone to carry the fraud investigation forward.

[mountainvue]

17. Go Ralph!

Thank you!

[wickywom]

19. This press conference is with Bev Harris...

Just on AAR....
website up soon ... they are trying to raise anough money to independently recount Ohio.

[satya]

28. Donate to 527 for Vote Recounts in Ohio

Reported on AirAmerica Radio this a.m.

Bev Harris/Ralph Nader press conference today
Website being set up now to accept donations to new 527 for vote recount in Ohio and other states: Help America Recount

[Amigust]

51. Where is all the money that was dontated for recounts before the election?

How much is there already? Not an objection, just want all the facts.

[GoBlue]

21. If Nader can prove voter fraud what's the problem?

Comment addressed to naysayers. Not original poster.

[johnfunk]

22. I'm still miffed with him... but GO,RALPH on this story!

n/t

[BlueWolff]

24. Let's see what he has to say be fore we dismiss it!

I'm angry at him too. But let's see what is up! He may have some info we don't know?

[GinaMaria]

25. this is Nader's forte.

This will pull at his talent as a consumer advocate. This may also prove to be his redemption with many progressives. Let the healing begin. I don't see the left and right coming together, but there is more hope for different factions on the left. We can heal and unite the left, progressives, centerists, greens, dems and naderites. It will take a lot of work, but this is a great first step. Nader and Bev working together? Now that's momentum.

Anyone watching today, please update us cube rats.

[buddysmellgood]

26. We need all the help we can get.

Go Ralph go.

[demokatgurrl]

38. You're kidding, right? How is Nader going to help? He helps

only the Republicans. He does'nt give a DAMN about us, or about anything except himself. This is just another attention-getting scam. I wouldn't waste my time watching him.

[lovuian]

29. I do Believe Nader is returning a favor back to Rove!!!

Thanks for giving me fraudulent votes in Pennsylvania and screwing me Mr.Rove Now its my turn to make you pee in your pants!!!

:bounce:

[PATRICK]

39. The unthinkable

That Nader may have planned on just being there, in a privileged psotion to challenge the fraud, utterly separate from the Kerry campaign(considering how hard they acted to get him out of the battleground states). Kind of hard to imagine.

[FlaGranny]

30. Does anyone have the suspicion

that Nader has realized that after we go into a tailspin and the country is in shambles and will finally be ready to elect him (ya, right!), that it won't happen unless voting is safe and secure?

[demokatgurrl]

37. I will never never vote for Nader.

He has ruined any "legacy" he ever had by pursuing a course of self aggrandizement and working only on his own behalf, screw the country and in particular, Democrats. He got funding from Repubs, let him run into their arms for comfort.

[FlaGranny]

42. I don't think very many people will vote

for him ever again. He has convinced me he is delusional in that regard. I'm thinking, though, that he has realized he can't get elected (delusional thought to begin with) unless votes count. The joke's on him, I guess.

[hertopos]

31. Bev of BBV will be with Nader at this new conference...

That is what I read in other thread from someone from BBV. If that's the case, I am very open to what Nader can say.

Does anyone know where I can catch this?

Hertopos

[Catchawave]

32. Not on tv :(

I've been surfing like crazy, but just Fallujah, Fallujah, Fallujah, and a white house briefing on C-span.

Hopefully a transcript will show up or press article.

[qb]

35. No mention on AAR or NPR either.

You'd think it would at least warrant a mention.

[info being]

40. I guess that's what we get for marginalizing him

[anamandujano]

45. The media is maginalizing him now

because he is going against the grain. If he were going to speak about moving on or how Bush won, he would get coverage.

[blm]

49. The press PUSHED Nader as a story throughout the campaign

when they thought it would hurt Kerry and now will ignore Nader because he might hurt their lordmaster Bush.

[robbedvoter]

46. Crawling to credibility on the carcass of the Dem party - if something

good comes out if this, I am ready to give him credit.
But for now, I see it as a stjnt that sapd blackboxvoting's credibility.
I hope I am wrong, as it's important to me for the fraud to be revealed.

[SeattleRob]

47. Go Bev! Go Ralph!

As long as our party isn't asking for a recount, I say we got to support those who are. If they find something - something provable, it can be big. So I say go go go!

:kick:

[Javaman]

48. Well, did Nader actually say anything relevant?

[212demop]

53. Why is Bev fighting her first fight and putting her first resources into

New Hampshire? isn't Ohio more important? Am I missing some part of the overall strategy?

[Moderator]

54. Not LBN--locking