13,000 [FL] Ballots Rushed From Voting Site, Must Be Recounted

[Tesibria]

sorry if dupe -- but I can't find it here in LBN

http://www.local6.com/news/3879408/detail.html
13,000 Ballots Rushed From Voting Site, Must Be Recounted
Memory Card On Optical Scan Machine Fails
UPDATED: 3:37 pm EST November 1, 2004

About 13,000 ballots were removed from an early-voting site in Daytona Beach, Fla., Monday and rushed to a secure vault in Deland after an optical scan machine failed, according to Local 6 News.

Local 6 News has learned that a memory card, on the machine failed and all 13,000 votes must be recounted. A computer error is to blame for the failure of the memory card which records the voting data, Local 6 News reported.

When the error was discovered Monday, representatives from both parties were notified. Both sides then witnessed the removal of the ballots and their storage in the vault. The canvassing board will meet Monday to discuss how to recount the ballots.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

1. I don't guess there'll be a "hanging chad" issue....

...then again, the GOPers can always claim the ballots were not clearly marked.

:eyes:

[KC21304]

2. Oh great. That's what we have here. And I was feeling good

because there is a paper trail.

[deadparrot]

3. Here we go again...

[maddezmom]

4. here we go

Let the games begin.... :crazy:

[Zorra]

5. "Glenda Hood and Teresa LePore are reportedly in the vault with the

memory card, along with with several computer experts from Diebold and the RNC who said they would have the vote count fixed shortly."

Sadly, this is probably not far from the truth.

[bearfan454]

14. I know it.

It is f8cking sad.

[Zorra]

20. Nothing like this could ever happen with simple paper and pen balloting.

Electronic Voting Machines are nothing but flawed calculators manufactured by republican owned corporations and purchased, endorsed, and employed by members of the republican party, almost exclusively, in order to change vote counts and fix elections so that republicans appear to win.

That's it. There is no other logical reason for using electronic voting machines. None. They are a full-blown threat to our democracy.
........:argh:
Kill Your Electronic Voting Machine

[eggplantparmesan]

32. "Nothing like this could ever happen with simple paper and pen balloting."

Are you serious?? Voter fraud was just as bad before, it was just that the media didn't play such an intense watchdog role. Party bosses in the 1920's stuffed ballot boxes all they wanted, entire ballot boxes from specific precincts were thrown away in the 50's, and so on. It always happens, all we can do is try to monitor it.

[Zorra]

33. Quite serious. You can alter thousands of votes in a

matter of seconds with electronic voting devices, and no one can prove you did it because their is no tangible evidence. you can monitor paper balloting, but you cannot effectively monitor electronic balloting.

And paper ballots can be recounted.

There is no reasonable comparison between the verifiability of paper ballots and electronic balloting. Electronic voting machines are ridiculous.

[eggplantparmesan]

34. yes, paper ballots can be recounted

But if they were fraudulent in the first place, that doesn't really help...

[Voltaire99]

38. You really need to see "The Great McGinty"

There is no reasonable comparison between the verifiability of paper ballots and electronic balloting. Electronic voting machines are ridiculous.

You must hold similar suspicions of ATMs, then?

For the rest of us, highly accurate digital counting is a pleasant fact of life. And it can be applied to voting, too. The problem is the politicization of the technology, its control by partisans. Solve that problem, and it is a trifle to create a paper trail.

In short: as throughout the checkered history of US electioneering, the problem is people, not technology.

[Zhade]

26. And two huge strap-ons, to SCREW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGAIN!

Sorry, got a little ENRAGED for a moment.

[stickdog]

6. Memory is so beautiful and yet ... what's too painful to remember

Jeb simply makes it forget.

[napi21]

7. If the BALLOTS were removed that means it must have been optical scan.

I don't quite understand why there's a question about how to recount. Wouldn't you just replace the memory card, or use another machine, and just rescan the damn ballots?

[liveoaktx]

8. If there's no paper backup and the ballots were on a memory card

how the hell are they going to do a recount???????

[Zen Democrat]

19. It's a PAPER ballot for scantron machines. They weren't destroyed.

[liveoaktx]

22. What a relief!

[cubsfan forever]

25. Thanks for restoring sanity to this thread n/t

Professor 2

[Rose Siding]

24. This is the safest kind of error

They just opened a machine, about the size of a washer if it's like the optical scans in my district, and removed all the paper ballots. I'd trust the hand count over the optical scan anyway! -though the totes still travel over a modem a couple of times.

[Rebellious Republican]

9. Probably failed to count Kerry votes for Bush!

Thats in Volusia county, no surprises there!!!!!!!!!
:argh:

[Zhade]

27. Volusia? Damn, you're right. They going to go for -32,000 this time?

Fuckers.

[Rebellious Republican]

28. My thoughts exactly........

:toast:

[ewagner]

10. Volusia County again

Same place they had problems in 2000.

[Ima]

12. somebodys head should roll

[aquart]

17. Jeb's? Teresa's? We could set up pins and play games.

[Rebellious Republican]

13. I lived in Volusia for four years, it has a rich history .............

in election corruption!

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. Damn. You can say that about Florida, in general.

[Rebellious Republican]

29. I stand corrected, however Volusia led the way and wrote the book!

:toast:

[Nicholas_J]

11. No DNC representative

In the heavily Republican Deland Area. (Volusia County) The only place in the county that might have significant Democratic Presence is Daytona.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

15. Well, I have not been counting on Florida

or New Mexico either...

[StupidFOX]

18. Damn straight! That's my bet

Just turn HI blue.

[Laelth]

31. Naa ... we're gonna do better than that!

:D

-Laelth

[DS1]

21. mmm. quantum hanging chads -- IIIIIIIIi fuggin love it!

[Ohio rules]

23. why MUST the vote count be known?

Should the results from exit polls of votes counted be released to the public ?

[ChiciB1]

30. Sarasota County

Well I'm counting on Florida... We're loaded for BEAR! No matter what they do and I'm not putting anything past them. But Sarasota seems to be Kerry Friendly! Kathy Dent is another Katherine Harris and we're kicking her out! Kathy won't even return Democrat phone calls!!! Went to Kerry Rally last night, about 15,000 people showed up! Jammed... they can't steal it this time. So many EYES!
Chici-B

[Dudley_DUright]

35. That's my (mis)county, screwing up the count again!

At least with optical scan, ballots, they can do a recount by hand if necessary. If this was in a touch screen county of FL, sorry but no way to recover those votes. How much clearer does the necessity for a paper ballot need to be?

[lark]

36. Dem counties don't have optical scan

My paranoid mind thinks it's very telling that the major Dem counties are the ones with the Touch Screens where there's no paper trail whatsoever. The Repug counties have optical scans.

Think there might be a reason for this??

lark

[markus]

37. Why this is a *good thing*!

Optical scanner voting is counted just like the standardized tests we were all submitted to in school.

What is important is: there is a paper ballot, and it can be recounted, even as the optical scanner catches overvotes and other errors (rejecting the ballot back to the voter, who--in North DAkota at least--can replace the spoiled ballot with a new one0.

This is why a paper ballot must be maintained!

[ahem]

39. I agree with you!

I'm in Florida and in my area it's all touch-screen. I would *much* rather have optical scan! The main thing that most of us here are worried about is that there is no means to recount with touch-screens.

[RawMaterials]

40. TV adds all about voter fraud and how to avoid it in Cincinnati

Its like there trying to prepare the masses, so there wont be as much of an outrage.

[Catfight]

41. FIRE GLENDA HOOD NOW!!!!!!!!!! This is unacceptable! n/t