Bush skewered again by former treasury secretary Paul O'Neill

[wicket]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1521&ncid=696&e=3&u=/afp/20041101/pl_afp/us_vote_oneill

Asked who he would vote for, O'Neill refused to answer directly.

But he later expounded on who he would be happy voting for by naming both former president Gerald Ford and Bush's father -- but not the current American leader.

"I thought hard who I would be happy to vote for. I would love to vote for Gerald R. Ford. He is a person of decency, and in the time that I spent with him I never saw him put anyone down. I never saw him cut people off when they were trying to tell him something. I always saw him deliberate what the facts were and separate evidence from speculation. You know, I think, frankly, George Bush (news - web sites) the elder was a lot like president Ford."

O'Neill said while he was a senior member of the Bush cabinet he had never seen any evidence that Iraq (news - web sites) had weapons of mass destruction, and he lamented the failure to distinguish suspicion and fact.

"For the 23 months I was inside the administration, I saw the intelligence and I never saw anything that convinced me that we had evidence there was weapons of mass destruction."

[KlatooBNikto]

1. Paul O'Neill, a man of enormous decency, was caught in the web

of lies spun by Bush and his mentors Cheney and Rumsfeld. We owe him our gratitude for speaking up when all the others were silent.

[Bandit]

2. I liked Ford...I thought he was an honorable man

As far as WMDs well we now know it was all horseshit from the OSP. Feith and Bolton.

[Ima]

3. I noticed who he didn't endorse

[Media_Lies_Daily]

4. I don't guess you knew much about Ford's role on the Warren....

...Commission or why he pardoned Nixon.

"Honorable man"? Hardly.

[Bandit]

5. I was indeed troubled about his role on the Warren Commission

Pardoning Nixon I could live with. I loved his response to the Maiguy incident. The Warren commission I still have profound feeling over. I believe he participated in a major coverup.

[Jack from Charlotte]

7. I disagree. I thought Nixon's pardon was the right thing to do....

and I hated that SOB worse than anyone. Perhaps hFord should have made Nixon come clean..... but I'm not sure it was necessary with the tapes and all.

Re The Waren Commission...... please. Spare me the horror "story." I've heard them all.

[amber dog democrat]

14. I still think the Warren Commission was a whitewash

and having walked the site of the assassination in Dealy Plaza, it seems impossible that a poorly made bolt action rifle with a cheap scope with bad eye relief could have hit a moving target accellerating away on a curving road.

I know I could not do it and doubt anyone else could either.

Probably Cubans are at the heart of it - payback for calling off the Bay of Pigs.
But we are still owed an explanation.

[Jack from Charlotte]

17. Well, you may not think that that shot was not possible but.....

in the late 60's when the 1st nutballs started saying over and over and over and over and over... that no one could make "that shot," CBS did a one hour special trying to check the facts. They replicated that shot and the shooter nailed it almost every time. Same gun. Same moving target and same shot.

So don't let the facts interfere with a good theory. And unless Lee was Oswald was Cuban your..... nevr friggin' mind.

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[amber dog democrat]

23. A marine sniper i know from the Vietnam war

with 47 confirmed kills recently told me HE could not have done it with his OWN equipment - and especially so given that problem and the equipment Oswald supposedly used. There had to be other snipers positioned in front of the limosine.

And i agree with him - I don't think one person in 1000 could have made the kill the way the 27 Volume Warren Commission Rept. claimed. In my opinion they painted us a picture.

Have you acutally paced the scene and worked it out yours self? I have.

Even with my old 1903-A3 - it would not happen. And that , with a proper scope, was the rifle of choice for US Army snipers in WW II. The rifle in the museum is a joke and especially with that scope. - and a bolt action rifle poses unique challenges especially with a scope and a moving target.

And when you think about having to sight it in first... and all the adjustments one makes - even maybe adding shims to the scope mount... it defies belief that it could have happened the way CBS said. Without the scope and using iron sights...you'd stand a better chance of hitting something - assuming the rifle is accurate and does not veer off to the L or R or up or down at a set number of yards.
If you knew the gun maybe you could compensate.


I saw that CBS documentary too and I was neither impressed or convinced.

I will believe my own judgement and experience before I will trust that CBS documentary. I think they were leaned on.

Its ALl conjecture but RW intelligence insiders + organized crime and angry Cubans make more sense to me than one lone and demented assassin - who conveniently died from gunshot wounds a day later.

I had a maternal grandfather who said on election night in 1960 that if he were Jack Kennedy, he'd never get another night's sleep knowing he stood between LBJ and
the White House. That is a true story.

So Its OK. We need to agree to dis agree here.
We may never know the truth. - sorry for the rant.

[kclown]

16. I voted for Ford for the precise reason that he lost the election.

He pardoned Nixon.  I voted for him because he did it BEFORE
the election, inviting a referendum on this issue.  

*'s pardon list will come after the election.

[Mandate My Ass]

6. Owwwwwwwwccchhhh

"I would love to vote for Gerald R. Ford. He is a person of decency, and in the time that I spent with him I never saw him put anyone down. I never saw him cut people off when they were trying to tell him something. I always saw him deliberate what the facts were and separate evidence from speculation. You know, I think, frankly, George Bush (news - web sites) the elder was a lot like president Ford."

Sums up all the qualities G.R. Ford and how Bush Sr. is a pale imitation of Ford but also slips the knife in about how Jr. doesn't measure up to Poppy, which we know he hates.

[cliss]

9. I absolutely agree with you (and the posts up above)

A lot of these hyenas (Cheney, Rumsfeld, and many others) got their start in Gerald Ford's administration.

Ford may have been nice, but he opened the gates to a lot of unethical behaviour that we're still dealing with.

Paul O'Neill just doesn't like Bush because he's a thug with no class. At least Gerald Ford was more likeable.

[pacifictiger]

15. Those guys all got their start in the corrupt Nixon administration

Ford was respected in the senate and brought on only after Agnew's disgrace to try to clean up the whole Nixon administration image. Unfortunately those opportunistic vipers were still present when Nixon ran away (rather than face the music) and wasted no time in ambitiously positioning themselves with their somewhat green new boss. I think Ford did what he thought best for the country as a whole under very difficult circumstances for him.

[Milspec]

25. To be frank, I liked Ford

Esp his statement that " A government that gives you everthing u want, will take all that u have to give it to you."

[snippy]

8. This was an interesting interview. O'Neill is a decent republican.

But after this election will he lead an effort to reclaim the republican party from the Reich Wing Fundamentalists and the Tax Cut Monkeys? Someone in the republican party needs to. O'Neill was vague about exactly what he would do and say after the election but I thought he implied that we would be hearing more from him.

[Fridays Child]

10. Once again, we see the difference between conservative Republicans...

...and neoconservative fascists.

[H2O Man]

11. O'Neill is decent now ....

and I think it is important to judge people in terms of what they have become, rather than what they once were. Senator Byrd is a great example of that. Yet O'Neill's beliefs are hardly in line with what most democrats believe.

[goforit]

19. Just wish he wouldn't have been so scared sh*tless.

[wiggs]

12. Good man that no one listened to.

Very credible and one of the first to stand up and be pummelled for his opinion on BA. His remarks were proven to be generally true: Bush is close-minded and incurious; opposing opinion is discouraged; Iraq was foremost in the BA mind, even before 9/11; the second round of tax cuts was not called for; intelligence on Iraq WMD that he saw always included significant qualifiers.

More people should have read that book and listened. This was an establishment guy who was deep inside, jumping up and down and telling us something was wrong.

[eggplantparmesan]

13. Eh...

I liked him better when he was playing right field for the Yanks...

[goforit]

18. Come on Paul.......Just spit it out!!!....You're voting for Kerry.

[flordehinojos]

20. one bone to pick with paul o'neill's statement...

bush the elder may seem like he is like gerald ford (a person of decency, who never puts anyone down, or cut people off when they are trying to tell him something etc...)

bush the elder has no problem calling people "bozos", sleazzzeee, slime balls, or saying that he is going to "kick ass" ...

bush the elder once put mary tillotson of cnn down by saying in a very vinegar like tone "i am not going to answer any sleeeaaazeee questions", she had asked about rumors of his liaison with his former secretary. shortly after that, mary tillotson disappeard from the news world. could he have cost her her job?

bush the elder is the mastermind of all the blueprint for stealing elections that are being played out and perfected in today's election.

bush the elder is no honorable statesman even when so many, so wrongly, seem to think so.

bush the elder loves money and power as much as his junior son does. he was behind the power grab of the election 2000 steal ... and never once recognized that his son was illegitimately placed in the oval office. a man with his integrity, if he had been that, would not have wanted his son to stain the presidency, democracy, his family name, his country, and the oval office in the way that junior has ... bush the elder celebrates his son's presidency.

[wicket]

22. very good points

You are totally right. Bush Sr. is an asshole!!!

[Roland99]

21. The Price of Loyalty: The Education of Paul O'Neill

One of the best books I've read this year!


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http://www.conjur.com/politics - Why George W. Bush is WRONG for America

[elemnopee]

26. Agreed, I liked many of his proposals

Paul had a radical plan for providing drinking wells for African tribes. He recognized that before exporting or forcing our "good will" we should try and meet the most basic needs of the people.

As a side note, the best way to promote democracy and freedom, I believe, is not with guns, but humanitarian efforts that ease human suffering. Why is providing fresh drinking water, food, and medicine for the world not seen as a viable option to promoting democracy?

-sorry for the early morning rant

[DeadManInc]

24. Bush skewered again

Bush is a Bush is a Bush. Sr, Jr, Jeb all corrupt douchebags.