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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 07:19 AM
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Schwarzenegger Skips Calif. Recall Debate
Sep 3, 7:21 AM (ET)

By BETH FOUHY



SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - As the state's most popular politician came to the defense of Gov. Gray Davis, the leading candidates to replace him - minus Arnold Schwarzenegger - prepared to take each other on in the recall election's first scheduled debate.

Schwarzenegger planned to skip Wednesday's debate, opting instead to deliver a speech before supporters and students at California State University in Long Beach.

Schwarzenegger has agreed to participate in only one debate, sponsored by the California Broadcasters Association on Sept. 24, for which questions will be provided ahead of time. That decision has drawn criticism from Republicans and Democrats alike.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20030903/D7TASTEO0.html
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 07:49 AM
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1. Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Sniveling Coward of the First Water
He must also be a neoconservative, since I've NEVER known a neoconservative who wasn't a spineless jellyfish coward. It is, in fact, the reason they are the way they are.
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Proud_American Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:54 AM
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15. Yep, call him the Pretendinator!
n/t
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DoctorBombay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:03 AM
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2. My repuke boss isn't voting for Ah-nuld for this reason
I overheard him yesterday. He actually said he may vote for Bustamante, "even though he's a Democrat", his words. I was half thrilled and half appalled.

I guess it's a good sign. For those who think McClintock is too conservative and also can see Ah-nuld for the meathead he is, they really have no where else to turn.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:09 AM
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3. This really does reveal
arnold for the empty suit and coward that he is. I'm beginning to think he will be lucky to come in third place.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 01:50 PM
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33. also further shows the GOP disdain for democratic process
It is further evidence how they want to circumnavigate democratic mechanisms and process to simply take office.
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Badger1 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:17 AM
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4. This proves
what a chicken shit he really is. His handlers don't want him in a debate where they don't know the questions in advance. I agree, third or fourth place , at best.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:36 AM
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5. schwarzenegger is a putz
he can't even tell us what his plans are for our state....:puke: and he thinks he deserves the office of governor?

i hope gray and cruz lay it all out there!
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:37 AM
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6. "Poor little girlie man!"
Afraid he'll get beat up by the big boys with big brains.
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Dude_CalmDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:15 AM
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27. Hahahaha - I'm hearing the voice right now
"I'm a puny little girlie man. Job interviews and Democrats scare me."
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 12:26 PM
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31. A lot of the (quote) " real conservatives" want a piece of him too,
In my work I am forced out into the hinter land where you cannot get the last large progressive radio station left in SO Cal. So instead of Mussac forced myself to hear McClintox (lives in a fantasy world of yesterday) and he anticipated a NO Show ARnie.

But he is trying to keep the rest of flock faithful. After all the fundies do need someone to rally around after Simon dropped out and Issa cried his way off stage.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:40 AM
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7. what a wuss!!!!!!
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magnolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:58 AM
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8. This proves...
...that like Bush, Arnold only knows what is written on a piece of paper for him to read. With his acting experience, he can memorize better than Bush. He can at least "act" like a good politician.

I don't hold his "youthful indescretions" against him. We Democrats are better than that. But I do so love to watch him squirm when he is asked about it.
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Proud_American Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:57 AM
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16. Hold his "youthful indescretions" against the right
Currently the right is trying to lambaste Cruz for something offensive he's never said and allow Ahnuld to pass go and collect $200 for something offensive he has in fact said. Wake up America!
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:02 AM
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24. well, i support cruz
but i do think that he SAID IT. too many people heard it for it not to be true.
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Proud_American Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:10 AM
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26. Is there more "dirt" on Busti then I'm aware of?
I was referring to MEChA's motto "for the race everything, blah blah blah." To my knowledge Busti has never uttered those words. What are you talking about?
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:18 AM
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28. i'm talking about
cruz's use of the "N-WORD", during a speech to a majority black crowd. he quickly apologized, but the deed was done.
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Proud_American Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:59 AM
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29. I see. I think something like that could be a problem for him
But to his credit he owned up to his mistake and apologized. He didn't make excuses about it just being the environment one day and then claim he doesn't remember any of it the next day a la Ahnuld.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:21 AM
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9. CLUCK YOU, ARNOLD, YOU MUSCLE-BRAINED WIMP!
Edited on Wed Sep-03-03 09:24 AM by rocknation

BWARK BWARK BWARK!!!!!



rocknation

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:33 AM
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10. He should go. No one will understand a word he says anyway
I don't know anyone who has lived here as long as he has and still has a foreign accent. And I know a lot of guys who have immigrated to the US in the past 10 years and they speak with clearer english than I do. I don't get it?

Don

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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:38 AM
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11. Strategically he's doing what's best for him
Anyone who will vote for Arnold won't do it because
he gives great answers in a debate...Republicans just want to
win, with anything, others just are enamored of his
movies and machismo. Not a rational reason to vote for
Arnold, but a debate isn't going to change these people's
minds.
If full frontal nudity, interviews talking about his gang rape,
articles naming names of women he's groped without their
permission, affairs outside marriage don't change these
people's minds, frankly a poor debate showing won't either.

It is hypocrisy, but when a whole state is at stake,
what's a little hypocrisy....
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:45 AM
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12. I would have thought his pro-abortion stance would have been enough...
...for the fanatics. But I guess for them abortion is just fine with them as long as a Republican says its OK? Damn hypocrites. All of them.

Don

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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:49 AM
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13. yes indeedy
Hypocrisy and Republicans have never linked larger
than this recall.
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Proud_American Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 10:06 AM
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18. We MUST call them the Party of Hypocrisy
Let's steal a page out of their play book and never refer to them as republicans or the GOP or whatever (kind of like how they've turned liberal into a derrogatory word and how ALL dems are referred to as liberals). ALL references should be to the Party of Hypocrisy. I've been hammering on some conservative friends of mine for years with this same theme. It's blatant in your face hypocrisy and they get away with it time after time. It's just disgusting that our so-called "4th Estate" allows it without question.

So, anyhow, let's it make it stick by refusing to refer to them any other way other than the Party of Hypocrisy! Come on DUers make it happen! The goal, of course, is to make it part of the mainstream terminology.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 10:29 AM
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21. Meme it.
Maybe something catchier though...hypocrisy
just doesn't roll off the tongue well.


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Proud_American Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 10:49 AM
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22. Neither does "Al Gore claims he invented the internet"
... yet the Party of Hypocrisy was able to make that lie stick by repeating it enough times. That's our strategy folks. Just keep repeating it over and over and over again. It will eventually stick.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:06 AM
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25. I think he is being managed from word go also
He probably even believes he is doing it himself, and is the reason he goes off script so often. I heard that George Shultz is helping the wanta-be nice Nazi
Arnold’s campaign is being run just like * if you ask me, but he is having a more difficult time hiding his history because of his Celebrity. I suspect a more will come out about Arnold and would expect the Corporate America Mass Media to gloss it over as they have done with other information. To me it looks like they are practicing for 2004, to see how far they can really go.

Arnold exemplifies the utter duplicity of the repubs, they state are against illegal emigrants, yet Arnold is one that holds his home country as important as the one he lives in. The connections are ridiculous, from prop #187 and that other Racist Governor Pete Wilson to his other advisor on financial matters Mr. Billionaire Warren Buffet who pays a pittance on his beachside home in California of and assessed value in the tens of thousands when actual market value is times ten higher. Buffet recent comment about raising revenues through property taxes is so typical.

Back to George Shultz, this guy is an accomplished image rehabilitator. Read this spot about how he was sent in during the Baby Doc fiasco during Raygun mis-adminstration, that other republican California Governor


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Chomsky/DemoEnhance2_Chom.html
(snip)
Haiti offered the Reaganites yet another opportunity to reveal their understanding of democracy enhancement in June 1985, when its legislature unanimously adopted a new law requiring that every political party must recognize President-for-Life Jean-Claude Duvalier as the supreme arbiter of the nation, outlawing the Christian Democrats, and granting the government the right to suspend the rights of any party without reasons. The law was ratified by a majority of 99.98%. Washington was deeply impressed, as much so as it was when Mussolini won 99% of the vote in the March 1934 election, leading Roosevelt's State Department to conclude that the results "demonstrate incontestably the popularity of the Fascist regime" and of "that admirable Italian gentleman" who ran it, as Roosevelt described the dictator. These are among the many interesting facts that might be recalled as neo-Fascists now take their place openly in the political system that was reconstructed with their interests in mind as Italy was liberated by American forces 50 years ago. Curiously, all this escaped attention during the D-Day anniversary extravaganza, along with much else that is too enlightening.
The 1985 steps to enhance democracy in Haiti were "an encouraging step forward," the U.S. Ambassador informed his guests at a July 4 celebration. The Reagan Administration certified to Congress that "democratic development" was progressing, so that military and economic aid could continue to flow -- mainly into the pockets of Baby Doc and his entourage. It also informed Congress that the human rights situation was improving, as it was at the time in El Salvador and Guatemala, and today in Colombia, and quite generally when some client regime requires military aid for "internal security." The House Foreign Affairs Committee, controlled by Democrats, had given its approval in advance, calling on Reagan "to maintain friendly relations with Duvalier's non-Communist government."
To justify their perception of an "encouraging step forward" in "democratic development," the Reaganites could have recalled the vote held under Woodrow Wilson's rule after he had disbanded the Haitian parliament in punishment for its refusal to turn Haiti over to American corporations under a new U.S.-designed Constitution. Wilson's Marines organized a plebiscite in which the Constitution was ratified by a 99.9% vote, with 5% of the population participating, using "rather high handed methods to get the Constitution adopted by the people of Haiti," the State Department conceded a decade later. Baby Doc, in contrast, allowed a much broader franchise, though it is true that he demanded a slightly higher degree of acquiescence than Wilsonian idealists, Mussolini, and New Dealers. A case could be made, then, that the lessons in democracy that Washington had been laboring to impart were finally sinking in.
These gratifying developments were short-lived, however. By December 1985, popular protests were straining the resources of state terror. What happened next was described by the Wall Street Journal with engaging frankness: after "huge demonstrations," the White House concluded "that the regime was unraveling" and that "Haiti's ruling inner circle had lost faith in" its favored democrat, Baby Doc. "As a result, U.S. officials, including Secretary of State George Shultz, began openly calling for a `democratic process' in Haiti." Small wonder that Shultz is so praised for his commitment to democracy and other noble traits.
(snip)
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myomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:52 AM
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14. Probably has a hard time Òrecalling his economic planÓ.
.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:58 AM
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17. Don't be surprised if he shows up.
He's first and foremost an opportunist liar. He may indeed show up. In any event, I hope the candidates address his opportunism and if applicable his absence.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 10:07 AM
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19. He may just show up
with a couple of shotguns and an AK-47. Hasta la vista, baby!

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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 10:25 AM
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20. What a Dick!


Bush with Arnold
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kimchi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:01 AM
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23. They keep calling him the frontrunner,
when Bustamante is leading in the polls.

Talk about spin! Arrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhh!
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 12:20 PM
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30. doesn't matter
Edited on Wed Sep-03-03 12:22 PM by rozf
the recall will fail - Steroid boy's dreams of a political life will B gone.....if the votes R counted..... In our precinct organization we urge people to vote by mail. In Orange County, in a regular election, there are 1800 polling places open. On Oct. 7, 2003 there will only B 400 open! Long lines & waits discourage voters. They leave w/o voting. TODAY - RIGHT NOW - Call the registrar of voters and request an absentee ballot application.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 01:45 PM
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32. Arnold doesn't care about the issues
He is just on an ego trip to gain power. If he really had strong opinions on any of the issues, he would be anxious to debate. But he is just a power-hungry fool, thinking he can dupe a stupid electorate.
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