BREAKING Bin Laden Speaking NOW CNN

[chum]

No link - no info yet. Bin Laden video transmitting a message.

The spin - Bin laden is free - bush has failed to get him.

[MallRat]

1. If Kerry were President, Bin Laden wouldn't be making videos.

He'd be DEAD by now.

-MR

[rkc3]

4. If Kerry wants to make some points, he should copy your statement.

[Zhade]

123. Much as I hate bin Laden...

...wouldn't it be more, you know, American to actually try him in a court of law, rather than just whacking him, all questions unanswered?

Just sayin'.

[glitch]

144. Agreed. Too many answers would be whacked with him.

Jack Ruby mode of closure NOT acceptable.

[Amigust]

147. "Osama bin Laden" saying he was directly responsible for 9/11

Sounds awfully convenient for the Terrist-in-Chief, by implication relieving him of complicity. About as convenient as the 9/11 Whitewash Commission Report.

[derby378]

2. Is he wearing a Red Sox hat?

That'll convince me the tape is recent.

[captainjack]

5. maybe sitting right next to the 380 tons of explosives

:D

[Media_Lies_Daily]

63. And that would be in the White House basement?

[Chico Man]

55. Kind of like Saddam in a Yankee cap?

[kayell]

3. Is he fat or thin? Gee, I feel so much safer with * in charge.

[sisenor]

17. Very thin - and wearing the festive color orange . . .

But is this a Bush trick to remind everyone that the wolves are still out there? Or is it a dig at Bush to remind everyone that he is still out there?

[MADem]

60. Actually, he looked fatter than he did

...post TORA BORA. He looks like he has been living comfortably, not cowering in a cave. He's gotten some sun, he is not pale. His robes were beautifully laundered. He looks like he is at a debate lectern!

[demokatgurrl]

126. He's probably in Florida. n/t

[mrbassman03]

155. I don't see any missing absentee ballots or aluminum siding though...

My bet is Texas... Crawford, getting rested up to show his face on Nov. 1st.

[robbedvoter]

6. geez! he COULD run AND he could hide! yehaaaaw!

[Bluebear]

10. He can take a lot of smoke in that hole!

[MADem]

7. IT's HIM!!!

He looked healthy...no movement of left hand, guess that injury rumor will continue to have legs.

[MallRat]

13. Is it recent? Are there contemporary references? Today's newspaper?

:shrug:

At the very least, this is going to suck all of the oxygen out of the Al Qaqaa story for a day.

-MR

[carolinalady]

25. pentagon says recent references to events in Iraq

[Zhade]

133. Yeah, the Pentagon is SOOOOO credible.

NT!

[UpInArms]

8. please post details for us that cannot access CNN

thanks!

[ZenLefty]

9. What's he saying?

Has CNN reported what the video says yet?

[sisenor]

20. Strangely, CNN showed the video for 5 seconds and

switched to another story . . .

[MADem]

21. No transcript yet

They just showed a very brief clip--he looked well fed, well dressed (quite fresh looking robes, in fact), it was definitely him, his beard is longer, grayer, and I did not see his left hand move. He gestured with his right.

They just got the vid from AJ--they probably have the court reporter types doing the subtitles now.

[Javaman]

27. He's wearing those Armani robes bush sent him ;)

[Tesibria]

34. Reported on Faux

1) Slam against Bush for joining w/ the corrupt Saudi governments
2) Says that 9/11 could have been less bad had Bush & Co been paying attention

[dennis4868]

162. 9/11 could have been less bad had Bush & Co been paying attention

I wish OBL was on the 911 commission :-)

[chum]

11. Is this the october surprize?

This could be it. Waiting for the message.

[JSJ]

139. not 'the', but one of a desperately growing number

[TahitiNut]

12. No matter what he says, it's GUARANTEED the fascists ...

... in Casa Blanca will spin it to claim Kerry is Osama's choice. There's absolutely nothing too low and slimey for them at this point.

[a_random_joel]

14. Josh Marshall Nailed it

(October 29, 2004 -- 04:00 PM EDT // link // print)
Al Jazeera says it has a new tape from OBL. Will run it at 4 PM.

-- Josh Marshall
(October 29, 2004 -- 03:42 PM EDT // link // print)
With this morning's Di Rita press conference such a trainwreck, surely now must be time for a terror alert, right?

Release the hounds!



http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com

[Tight_rope]

66. LMBAO....No Terror Alert because they abused them...No one would believe!

[Cyrix]

15. Was watching CNN.. didn't see it

Is it coming up?

[librechik]

16. and don't forget to VOTE BOOSH! MY BUDDY! n/t

[Beaverhausen]

18. "Yes- I want to thank all americans for allowing me to remain free"

[capriccio]

19. The spin?

Is that going to be OUR spin...are we going to look like idiots in the final weekend cheering that bin Laden is free as if he's the second coming of Huey Newton? Please. Let's show some restraint about this. He is a sworn enemy of our country, and the fact that he's still at large underscores more Bush incompetence. But let's keep the gloating to an inaudible hum.

[shawn703]

23. I wouldn't call it gloating, more of an indictment

Bush took his eye off the ball, this creep was and still is a bigger threat to us than Saddam Hussein ever was.

[kayell]

42. Gloating? Are you that out of touch with real dems???

We're pissed as hell. George Bush didn't care enough about this guy to put any serious effort into getting him. W wanted to get his war on in Iraq. The Resident has put us all in danger with his lack of attention to real terrorists, his creation of even more with his heavy handed, reasonless war, killing thousands of innocents, and then leaving plenty of explosives just lieing around so terrorist he created would be well equiped.

Here are Georgies own words on Osama. "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him." Press Conference, 3/13/02

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[kayell]

69. My problem is with you assuming that people here will gloat. Your word.

Sounds like you've been buying someones spin.

Oh, and not a chance. Don't be ridiculous.

[ProfessorGAC]

72. Sheesh! Calm Down!

Nobody told you how be a real dem. But, i don't see any posts above your first that lead to dancing in the streets.

Are there some "I told ya so"'s. Sure. Because we did tell them so.

So, there is going to be some schadenfraude over that. But, nobody is glad that bin Laden is still alive. But, if he is, better everyone who thinks Li'l Georgie is the beacon of safety see that he failed.

The Professor

[Media_Lies_Daily]

77. Just out of curiousity, why do you continue to believe that OBL was....

...responsible for 911? Is it because the NeoCons told you?

You do remember that OBL originally denied any involvement in the attacks, don't you? Don't you consider that to be VERY strange behavior for such a "sworn enemy" of the U. S.? And how come nobody's been able to find ANY links between the hijackers and OBL/Al Qaeda?

And if OBL/Al Qaeda didn't plan and execute the 911 attacks, who did? Better yet, who stood to gain the most by such an attack?

How about THAT for "logic"? Are you grasping it yet?

[Name removed]

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[kymar57]

134. On the tape OB reportedly owwns up to it. eom

[Media_Lies_Daily]

160. Uh...that wasn't Bin Laden on that video....not even close....

<http://www.mbpolitics.com/obl/>

Scroll down...the difference is VERY obvious between Osama BEFORE and AFTER the so-called "OBL taking responsibility" video.

[Zhade]

165. Which tape, though? The "Fat Osama" tape?

And who translated the tape(s)?

Look, I do not like ObL. But I also do not like the fact that this administration never gave us the evidence we were promised (Powell, I'm looking at you) that would prove ObL and al Qaeda pulled off 9/11.

Could they have? There's a good chance, yes. But bullshit 'evidence' like the Fat Osama tape do NOT constitute proof.



Figure E IS NOT OSAMA BIN LADEN. Anyone with good vision can see this.

[Javaman]

78. Note the date too, 6 months after 9/11, bush=scumbag

[MADem]

81. Who's cheering???

We are outraged, DISGUSTED, bullshit, that the Kennebunkport cowboy who vowed to getim, dead or alive, who vowed to smokim outta their holes, has done nothing, and this THUG is ADDRESSING THE NATION in clearer language than the weecowboy ever did. The spin, and it ain't spin, is that we are BULLSHIT. Bullshit at the INCOMPETENCE of our leadership!

Here he is, tanned, rested and ready, he has not been hiding in a cave, unless he had a sunlamp. His robes are beautiful, very nicely sewn and laundered--high end. He looks very well nourished, healthy, RELAXED, and he is speaking in a strong, clear voice, in plain sentences.

We can't find a guy who is six foot five in a country of people who are five eight? What does that say about the way weecowboy is prosecuting this so-called war on terra? This points to WEEWEE incompetence. We are outraged!! Bush said he might be dead, that he was not important, that he was not a PRIORITY....and here he is, lecturing us about MY PET GOAT. Talk about cutting the balls off of Bush!

[Pachamama]

108. Thank you MADem...I'm a MADPachamama! Nothing to cheer about here

...this just emphasizes my rage, similar to the Eminem video "Mosh" that emphasizes "the lies" and the rage that we all feel about the Weapon of Mass Destruction called our "President" that has made us a lot less safe, put 380 tons of explosives in the hands of terrorists to use against our soldiers/kids and us, and there is a tanned, well-fed Osama Bin Laden who Bush let escape....

:grr:

[kayell]

22. Look, There's Osama!

But I thought he didn't matter....

"I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him." Resident Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02

[UpInArms]

35. Now being broadcast on ABC

spinning that it is good for *Co because it will remind voters how important "security" is.

:puke:

[Sinnerman]

24. This Hurt 's Bush Even More.......

Having UBL Threaten Americans, Is playing perfect Ace for Kerry.
Kerry Guananteed He would catch UBl and he will once elected

[Richardo]

29. Yes but can Kerry play that card without 'politicizing' terror?

That's what the RW will drumbeat.

[gavodotcom]

33. I honestly hope the Kerry camp waits.

This is different that 380 tons of explosives.

[Zynx]

37. Double post- Delete

[Zynx]

38. Bush politicizes terror and tragedy.

[librechik]

26. "red alert" bulletins off the wire:

BIN LADEN SAYS HE WANTS TO TELL AMERICANS HOW BEST TO AVOID
ATTACKS

BIN LADEN SAYS BUSH DECEIVED AMERICANS IN YEARS SINCE SEPT 11
ATTACKS

BIN LADEN SAYS FIRST THOUGHT OF ATTACKING U.S. AFTER 1982
ISRAELI INVASION OF LEBANON

BIN LADEN SAYS BUSH ADMINISTRATION RESEMBLES "CORRUPT" ARAB
GOVERNMENTS

BIN LADEN SAYS SEPT 11 ATTACKS WOULD HAVE BEEN LESS SEVERE IF
BUSH HAD BEEN ALERT

[MallRat]

32. If I'm Kerry, I'm not touching ANY of these statements with 10ft pole.

Let's see what else is coming... any more statements?

-MR

[Cyrix]

39. How bizzare

Odd points... VERY political. The media will probably spin this in to "Bin Laden attacks bush, thus wants kerry for president" How convenient.

[BUSHOUT]

141. I think the media will spin it for what it is....Bin Laden continuing to

threaten America. I don't see Bin Ladens statements as "political" at all.
Obviously he's going to taunt Bush. He taunts Kerry to and when Kerry is President he'll continue to taunt Kerry until Kerry fulfils his promise to track him down and kill him.

[MADem]

52. Bush preferred to listen to a little girl's story about a goat

Than protect fifty thousand citizens. Talks about elections, talks about what candidate can bring security, do not count on any of them, Bush or Kerry, your security is in your own hands. If a nation does not attack us, we do not attack them.

[progressivebydesign]

67. How does OBL KNOW about the contents of MY PET GOAT????

n/t

[MADem]

100. Watched it on TV in the White House basement, maybe? n/t

[mountainvue]

120. He's seen the

movie. We have all been prepared for this day for a long time but it's here and it's still shocking to me.

[librechik]

166. I think he lurks here

nobody can find me either, because I'm always on DU

[MallRat]

28. Don't forget: AL QAEDA IS AFRAID OF JOHN KERRY.

WE WANT BUSH TO WIN

The statement said it supported President Bush in his reelection campaign, and would prefer him to win in November rather than the Democratic candidate John Kerry, as it was not possible to find a leader "more foolish than you (Bush), who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom."

In comments addressed to Bush, the group said:

"Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilization."

"Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected."

March 17, 2004
Letter from Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigade, Al Qaeda-affiliated terror group responsible for the Madrid train bombings.

[jocal]

I'm still wary of that...

As much as I'd like to believe it, remember that this is the same group whose "representatives" told passengers on Flight 11 "remain calm" and that they were "returning to the airport".

Can't trust 'em....

[Tesibria]

30. ugh -- you should hear how Faux is spinning it

... they actually said it -- "this sounds like an endorsement for Kerry"

.... i kid you not.

[VOX]

41. Do you have the names of the talking heads who said that?

Really, this is way over the line! :grr:

[Tesibria]

70. no -- sorry

I don't know those people but flipped there b/c i heard it was gonna be on Fox.

We should be able to check the lists of guests -- it was the Republican "hack"

[Tesibria]

74. on that point -- check out the Drudge headline

Osama bin Laden, in Al-Jazeera video broadcast, campaigns against Bush...

[elemnopee]

44. sounds like faux has no shame

unless it involves a flaffel

[Algorem]

31. He saying Bush KNEW??

saying something about he didn't think Bush would leave those people in those buildings?

[Roland99]

36. Bush: "I'm really not that concerned with him"

Those words are going to haunt him for the rest of his days.


They may haunt us, too.

[Tight_rope]

43. ROTFLMBAO.....They sure are!

[Tight_rope]

40. I CHOKED ON MY ON SPIT WHEN I HEARD WHAT OBL SAID!

He blamed Bush for 9/11 and for much more!

[maddezmom]

51. he talks about* sitting and reading my pet goat as the towers were falling

[VOX]

57. Right-wing talking heads will just say that OBL saw "Fahrenheit 9/11"

This is such a horseshit sideshow! :grr:

[happynewyear]

68. Osama ...

*check*

:dem: :kick:

[Carla in Ca]

158. I haven't seen this on TV yet

but that could be the spin...he blames * for 9/11, right?
Then the spin is '* KNEW'. He knew it was going to happen!

[scavok]

45. Nasty little October surprise

Just what Bush needed...

1) A way to focus the country on OBL and not on Iraq
2) A way to defuse the explosives story through the weekend

and (dare I say it)

3) A reason to jack up the terror level and cancel the election.

[carolinalady]

46. analysis on msnbc now

[Willy Lee]

62. Sounds pretty bad for Bush IMO

From MSNBC

Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, in a videotape broadcast Friday on Al-Jazeera television, claimed full responsibility for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States and warns Americans that “your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands.

<snip>

Bin Laden says “we decided to destroy towers in America” because “we are a free people” who wanted to “regain the freedom” of their nation. He accuses President Bush of “misleading” the American people for the three years since the Sept. 11 attacks. Most of bin Laden’s message is in regard to Bush, who faces Democrat John Kerry in next week’s presidential election.

He ridicules Bush for reacting slowly to the Sept. 11 attacks, saying: “I never thought that the supreme leader would leave 50,000 of his people in the two towers to face the terrifying events alone at the time they were in need for him.”


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6363306/

[patcox2]

47. Very very bad for Kerry; Bin Laden is electioneering anti-Bush

There is only one reason for Bin Laden to come out now, after 3 years.

Bin Laden knows that his continued existence is Bush's biggest failure and Bush's biggest weakness. So Bin Laden makes his first video appearance in 3 years on the eve of the election. Reminding the american people of Bush's biggest failure.

There is only one possible reason for this. Bin Laden is trying to influence the election so that Bush will lose.

This is terrible. People really will vote for Bush if they think Bin Laden is for Kerry. And this tape proves he is for Kerry.

[RadiDem]

56. BS ! It's GOOD for Kerry ! AWOL hasn't caught OBL

" I really don't think about him much "

[LivingInTheBubble]

101. I thought they had stopped transmitting such speeches

for fear of them having "hidden messages".

But now they do..

Election round the corner..

Hmm...

[Skinner]

65. Please stop.

This tape does not prove that Bin Laden is for Kerry.

[patcox2]

91. Unfortunately, I think it does.

Come on, whats the possible motivation to release a tape directed at the american public four days before an election? The purpose can be nothing other than to influence the election.

And he spends his time bashing Bush.

I have no doubt Bin Laden thinks he's very clever and that he is going to make Bush lose. I never said he is for Kerry.

But that will be the republican spin, and it will resonate. Just a question of how loud and for how long. Whether it will just fire up the freepers, or go on to sway the dimwitted waverers.

I hope that the public reaction is "Hey, Bush is so incompetent, he never did get that Bin Laden guy." But I fear that it will be "hey, Bin Laden is for Kerry, a vote for Kerry is a vote for Bin Laden.

You cannot ignore or censor this analysis. Kerry can change things with his response. His response must nip this in the bud. but you must acknowledge a problem to deal with it.

Skinner, don't go sounding like a Bushie who simply refuses to hear anything that doesn't fit his worldview.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

98. The problem with your worldview is that it's not even remotely plausible.

[patcox2]

114. What about it exactly is implausible,

Oh thrower around of vague statements.

is it implausible that bin laden intended to hurt Bush's chances in the election?

Is it implausible that the public could perceive that as his intention, or that repukes could spin it successfully to make them beleive that?

Which one is implausible?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

131. It's virtually implausible that anyone in their right mind is going to....

...go to the torturous extent to which you have gone to explain OBL's speech.

Only Karl Rove would think like you do.

[DrWeird]

111. So, you're saying bin Laden wants Kerry to win.

It's all an elaborate trick where he criticizes Bush to make it look like he's endorsing Kerry but really he's endorsing Bush because of the incompetence and so that's why he's really endorsing Kerry because thats who Osama wants.

So, in your worldview, why would Osama want Kerry?

[patcox2]

125. I don't beleive its a double reverse.

I doubt Bin Laden would realize that his act could produce the opposite effect.

Public opinion is an extremely fickle thing, noone predicts it with 100% accuracy. Trying to strategize how a foreign society would react is next to impossible.

Hell, 9/11 itself was the best thing ever for Bush; do you think Bin Laden intended to bolster Bush's ratings?

[DrWeird]

132. He came out and said Bush was good for terrorism.

You're saying that by him saying that, people will think he's pro-Kerry and thus vote Bush.

Sounds like a double reverse to me.

"Hell, 9/11 itself was the best thing ever for Bush; do you think Bin Laden intended to bolster Bush's ratings?"

I'm sure he'd be happy if 9-11 gets him re-elected. Don't you?

[Skinner]

121. Bin Laden has absolutely nothing to gain from a Kerry presidency.

Bin Laden is a Terrorist. The whole purpose of terror is to create an atmosphere of chaos, uncertainty, and fear, which they exploit to achive their political goals. Under Bush, chaos, uncertainty, and fear are way up worldwide.

Under Bush, OBL's recruitment went way up, mostly because of the Iraq war.

Under Bush, hatred for the United States around the globe increased dramatically. That is good for OBL.

Under Bush, OBL is free to do whatever the hell he wants, without any significant interference from the US Government.

No, Bin Laden does not want Kerry to win. He is no fool. He knows which candidate is better for him. Your analysis is simply wrong.

OF COURSE Bin Laden spends the entire tape bashing Bush. Think about it. Bin Laden is our most hated enemy. He's not going to help re-elect Bush by releasing a tape saying what a great job Bush is doing. OBL is doing exactly what he needs to do to help Bush.

Also, in the future, please do not compare me to a Bushie. Thanks.

[patcox2]

137. Well, we get to the same place through the opposite paths.

In the end, regardless of Bin Laden's subjective purpose, as you said, he is doing exactly what he needs to do to help Bush. Whether that is the result of a mistake and an unintended consequence, or an incredibly clever double-fake-out doesn't matter. What matters is the public perception and the impact it might have.

Thats why I am suprised you shushed me.

And in any event, on the issue of personal motiviation, if you beleive, as Bin Laden does, that you can take on America and get away with it, you clearly have so much chutzpah that who is president doesn't even enter into your calculations.

Whereas, if the Arab nutcase world percives Bin Laden as having taken down Bush, outlasted Bush, it would be a tremendous propaganda point for Bin Laden and it would greatly increase his reputation. He has motivation to want Bush to lose. You cannot dismiss it out of hand. Sheer personal animosity would account for it.

[BUSHOUT]

161. Excellent points Skinner. Bush has been helpful to OBL in several ways nt

[Mrs_Beastman]

122. this is classic Rove spin tactic

[Media_Lies_Daily]

85. Do you actually believe what you're posting? Do yourself a favor....

...push away the keyboard and take a ten minute break.

I don't recommend that you re-read your post when you return. It will just upset you that you allowed the NeoCons to con you with their little game.

[patcox2]

94. Face reality.

Nobody conned me.

Here is a question: what was Bin Laden's motivation in making this speech?

Answer it. I dare you.


The only question is in what percentage of the population responds as I fear that they will, by thinking Bin Laden wants Kerry to win. Its a certainty that some people will respond that way. We can just hope that it will not be enough to sway the election.

You must be prepared to deal with the spin. The reality is not what matters, only the public response. I have pointed out what I beleive will be the response of a significant portion of the public. Don't attack me for recognizing the issue this raises.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

104. Bin Laden's motivation is to throw the fact that he is still alive....

...in the collective faces of the NeoCon's, particularly that of El Chimpo the Magnifico.

Your dare wasn't worth the effort to answer it.

[patcox2]

112. You just confirmed what I said then.

His purpose was to humiliate Bush on the eve of the election. You said it yourself.

And why would anyone do that except to influence the election, to make Bush lose?

And if the american people see that, they could react in way that would hurt Kerry.

Hey, you don't like what I say, you are getting all personal about it, but you have to deal with reality. Thats the reality.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

127. "Reality"?? Based on your last post, I'm convinced that you live about...

...two continents away from the Land of Reality.

I confirmed NOTHING of what you stated, and you know it.

Keep posting, though...I'm interested in how you spin other topics, and I may find that just as entertaining as your spin on the OBL speech.

[patcox2]

145. You don't have to worry about my bona fides.

Look at you, no response except a dark insinuation that I am some kind of sinister mole. Nothing but ad hominem.

Hide your head in the sand. I am just the messenger. You can bet the republican spin will be that Bin Laden wants Bush to lose. And regardless of whether its true or not, its plausible. hell, its way more plausible than the republican lie that Spain voting liberal was giving in to the terrorists, yet the majority of americans bought that.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

167. "Dark insinuation"??? Interesting. And now you're claiming that....

...the majority of Americans bought the "republican lie that Spain voting liberal was giving in to the terrorists"?? Says who...the NeoCons and their captive mainstream media?

Wow...what next? Do you have no limits to where your mind will wander?

[Pachamama]

130. Wrong - this is bad for Bush.....

A statement against Bush doesn't make it an endorsement for Kerry...in fact he very clearly from the translation said that neither Kerry nor Bush can give security, security will come with the US not being in Muslim land (hint hint)...

Bush is f*cked...he let Osama go and there he is tanned and well-fed - that's not Kerry's fault. Meanwhile, this corrupt administration that is being investigated by the FBI and took us into a war that has created a "hell-hole of terrorism", failed to secure the peace and 380 tons of explosives now in terrorists hands and at a cost to taxpayers of $200Billion and counting and 1100+ kids dying and 7000+ kids wounded and 100,000+ Iraqi citizens and counting daily...has screwed us and everything they touch....we aren't safer and America can see for itself on video just "how safe Bush" has made us....and OBL mocked him....it hurts Bush as it well should.

[BUSHOUT]

148. Come on, THINK! Bin Laden might believe coming out will help Bush

because Bin Laden knows Bush is seen as stronger on terrorism. CNN/USAToday/Gallup keeps telling us that!
Why would Bin Laden want Kerry when Kerry keeps talking about him and going after him to kill him?

THink

[The Minus World]

169. Flimshaw.

This may have been a persuasive argument if you had considered that the people most likely to be fooled and persuaded by a bin Laden appearance RIGHT BEFORE the American election, are uninformed individuals already waving their flags for Bush. Most undecideds are skeptical about the political process, in and of itself, and were expecting such manipulation to occur.

An indictment of Bush does not equal an endorsement for Kerry. No matter what the chattering news-monkies may say.

[carolinalady]

48. analysis on msnbc now

[carolinalady]

49. analysis on msnbc now

[RadiDem]

50. OBL talked about AWOL reading my Pet Goat !!!!!

while 1000's died !!!!!!

[Mabus]

53. that's not spin

that's the truth. Bush didn't make America safer.

[htuttle]

54. AP coverage on Yahoo News -- a bit more translated

Here's another interesting quote from the tape:

He said the attack was carried out because "we are a free people ... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation."

So was it OUR freedom he hates? But he says it's their freedom he wants.

on edit:
link
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=2&u=/ap/20041029/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_tape

[Tesibria]

58. Per MSNBC

Bin Laden says

Neither al Qaeda nor Bush nor Kerry can protect you (the american people) - you can only protect yourself.

[Zorra]

88. Protect ourselves? Hey OBL: John Kerry is gonna nail your ass, you

pompous shithead. Your best pals the Saudi puppet Bu$h family won't be able to protect you anymore.

Come Jan. 20, you are toast, ASSHOLE.

Oh, yeah.....FUCK YOU!

[carolinalady]

59. analysis on msnbc now

[Chovexani]

64. But I thought Halloween was on Sunday

Did Osama see his shadow this time? Does that mean 4 more years of *?

[progressivebydesign]

71. WAIT?? HOW does OBL KNOW the CONTENTS of the Goat story???

The guy is hiding in a cave, right??? How does HE know that the My Pet Goat book is about a "LITTLE GIRL'S" story about her goat?? Is that a popular book in Afghanistan caves??

Does anyone else smell a secret government rat? How about the other tape, where the guy talks about gay marriage in Massacheusetts.

Too many US references.

I just want to KNOW how OBL knows teh CONTENT of that story... I didn't know.

[maveric]

76. He watched F/911

[progressivebydesign]

84. I watched 9/11 and I don't think it mentioned a LITTLE GIRL. n/t

[scavok]

80. Didn't you hear

Osama has been cooling his heels in Vegas according to the Weekly World News. The army would never think to look for him there.

[demigoddess]

82. he's probably at home in SaudiArabia and nice and comfortable listening

to Cnn and Aljazeera on cable and checking out the blogs on the internet. Bush did such a good job of keeping him on the run. Get real!!!

[progressivebydesign]

86. What I meant was.. we all know Bush read the story...

..but unless you've READ it, you wouldn't know it was about a LITTLE GIRL's pet goat. OBL knew. I just think it's too wierd that he knew the CONTENT of the book...

[maddezmom]

92. and OBL says in the 20 minutes he said there....doing nothing

it gave the terrorist the opportunity to carry out more of the attacks.

[Tesibria]

97. you can get the book on

Amazon and there's tons of descriptions of it on the web. He's well connected.

Apparently, there were MANY references to American-based things in the tape/references to US news stuff.

[txindy]

128. I took it to mean reading a story with or to a girl about a pet goat

It wasn't a threatening tape. More admonishing Junior for being too lazy to follow-up on warnings and not protecting his own people on 9/11. Then he.... well, he endorsed B*sh. Said neither Junior nor Kerry could protect America, but also said take care of yourselves and you don't need to worry about us. Live and let live, kind of. I don't know, exactly. I was in shock!! Still am!! Geez, can ya tell?!

[Mabus]

149. IF BUSH WINS, THE TERRORISTS WIN

I copied this from a local forum.

CNN reports a Osama Bin Laden tape from an Arab media outlet. This is probably going to help Bush. Sitting presidents historically get a bounce from a major national security or terrorist incident.

People must be made to understand that if Bush wins, the terrorists win. It's very likely we let Bin Laden escape Tora Bora by not committing a conventional US military force to cut off the retreat to Pakistan. He ignored terrorism before 9-11 and he has SLOWED DOWN our securing of suitcase nukes from the Old Soviet Union. He has a tendency to panic (9-11) and underestimate the complexity and danger of his foreign policy decisions (Iraq, North Korea, Israel, Iran).

We need to get the word out.

IF BUSH WINS, THE TERRORISTS WIN.

[demigoddess]

73. loved the part where he skewered bush on sitting and reading a story

while 50,000 of his people were in danger. Also that he had no problem with the bushes because they reminded him of arab royalty!! tuned in late but that was good.

[Blasphemer]

75. OBL: Neither Bush or Kerry can protect you

According to NBC News (New York) in a 30 second news break. Supposedly the translation says he refers to the coming election but says neither Bush or Kerry "can protect you, only you can protect yourself".

[oregonjen]

90. In other words, don't go out to vote, we'll bomb your precinct!

Scare, Scare, Scare!!!

[progressivebydesign]

115. No.. I'm pretty sure he's an intelligent (but evil) guy..

I think he is saying that it's in the american's hands, meaning we have the power to resist candidates and policies that are anti-muslim. This whole thing has become Christian vs. Muslim, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. That's why a theocracy, which is what we're in for if Bush wins, is extremely dangerous for a country like ours... There are too many other religions in the world, and here at home, for ruling Christian nation.. the way Bush wants it.

For some reason, Bush is so focused on his death grudge with Saddam, that he forgot about OBL.

[mountainvue]

140. WTF

is that supposed to mean?

[C_eh_N_eh_D_eh]

79. October surprise v 0.20041029

If Osama says X, all True Americans should say !X. Therefore, you must support Bush.

Does anyone else remember that goofy 2-part episode of X-Files where Mulder switches bodies with an MiB played by Michael McKean? In it, McKean claims that Saddam Hussein is actually an actor, and the feds trot him out for a little "saber rattling" whenever they need to divert the public's attention from what's going on at home.

Who knew Chris Carter would be so prophetic?

[elemnopee]

107. you totally lost me

[glitch]

136. loved it.! nt

[amandabeech]

83. Bin Laden talks about "our" security. Who is "our"?

My guess would be the Islamic world, particularly the Middle East and Central Asia.

Perhaps he is telling us to get out of the Middle East, leave Iran alone and quite supporting Israel, or at least its activities outside its own internationally recognized borders. If we do that, we won't be hit, otherwise, he'll strike?

[mountainvue]

87. Devastating.

Apparently he's seen Michael Moore's movie. This is very bad for Bush.

[d_b]

95. According to this translator for CNN

Bin Laden is saying keep your goverment in check and we won't come to kill you.



That's hardly an endorsement for anyone.

[NMDemDist2]

96. first longer story.....

"Your security is not in the hands of (Democratic candidate John) Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said.

"To the U.S. people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another disaster," he said. "I tell you: security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security."

"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones," he said, referring to the 19 hijackers.

"We fought you because we are free .. and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=6&u=/ap/20041029/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_tape

[NYC]

99. Just a reminder:

Bush re OBL:

"I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him." Resident Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02

[htuttle]

102. 1982? He came up with 9/11 in 1982? We were still paying him in 1982!

I'm almost positive we were still sending his group money in 1982 to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.

What an ingrate!

[Peachhead22]

103. It sounds like a GOTV commercial

n/m

[Danmel]

105. Bin Laden on CNN

My head is going to explode. I have no idea what to make of any of this. Where did this tape come from? How the hell am I supposed to figure out what this means now? I'm not going to make it to Tuesday.

[Mabus]

106. Thankfully ABC, CBS and NBC

aren't disrupting regular programming.

I just saw an image of bin Laden on a commercial for the local news. He was between a crack crack down and a goofy dog doing something cute.

[Gavinicus]

109. Give the bastard credit

He wants four more years of the bull in a china shop brand of American foreign policy. This will galvanize many to vote for Bush--just as he intended. All power to the sheeple. :mad:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

113. What a major pile of baloney links....

...he skewers the heck out of Barney Fife and his favorite little book, and YOU think it's going to work in favor of the NeoCons???

Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!

[beniciodeltoro]

I think you are wrong

time will tell

[richardk]

110. Man if this doesnt shed light on Bush's failures

Man if this doesnt shed light on Bush's failures I don't know what will, this might just be the Oct. Surprise everyone has been talking about. Only difference is Bush is too incompetent to actually capture bin laden and as you all see he's alive and well.

I hope your happy Bush, you let the worlds #1 terrorist get away.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

From reading our own mix feelings here

I just don't know what to say about how it will tilt the scale either way. I feel more now that we MUST have Kerry in office, but so do the hard right. It really depends on the depth of thinking the person is capable of.

[tabasco]

116. Osama's Getting Nervous !!!!

He knows President Kerry will find his rotten ass and string him up!! OBL is trying to help out the idiot in chief but it won't work!!

[Zynx]

117. Why is this fuck not dead?

Oh yeah, because Bush wanted to invade Iraq.

[Mrs_Beastman]

118. This smells like a Rove tactic

[BUSHOUT]

Why? It's good for Kerry. Check out this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2557257#

[mike_c]

129. I agree-- it's a lame attempt to reinforce fear....

The terra-ists are still out there.... Only Bushco can save us. You're feeling sleepy, but afraid. Very sleepy. Very afraid. Dubya will save you....

[Tesibria]

119. BBC Report w/ (more) details

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3966741.stm

In his opening remarks, the al-Qaeda leader accused President George W Bush of deceiving Americans in the years since the 11 September 2001 attacks.

He compared the Bush administration to what he termed corrupt Arab regimes.
...
He said the attacks on the US would have been less severe if President Bush had been more alert.

But he added that the security of the American people depended neither on Mr Bush nor on his challenger, John Kerry, but on US policy.

Despite entering the fourth year after 11 September, Bush is still deceiving you and hiding the truth from you and therefore the reasons are still there to repeat what happened," he said.

[Carolab]

168. Actually he's right on all counts

What he is saying is that Bush is a failure, that he is trying to install a theocratic dictatorship such as Khomeini did in Iran, that Bush failed to protect us on 9/11, that he is hiding the truth from us and we are therefore less safe, and that our security depends on US demanding a shift in our foreign policy--which is NOT going to happen with BushCo and will happen with Kerry IF WE DEMAND IT as US citizens. He is also saying, all they want is their freedom and their country back, which is what we want as well.

[havocmom]

124. Junta floated trial balloon re canceling elections. We blew back at them

They try intimidation/voter roll purges, destroying registration cards for Dems, misplacing thousands of absentee ballots in FL and now in California. After all their efforts, we publish information cards and phone numbers for people who encounter trouble voting and Kerry's campaign form a Minute Man force of lawyers to protect people's rights at a moments notice.

They know there is no way in hell their boy is gonna win and despite their best efforts with BBV and thug tactics, they can't be sure of stealing the vote either. Since these boys can't leave anything to chance, lest most of them go to jail for their crimes, they trot out the Boogey Man to scare the rabbits back into their duct taped holes.

The junta floated the trial balloon about canceling elections. 370+ tons of explosives are missing and the Boogey Man speaks.

The junta floated the trial balloon about canceling elections. We shot it down. They have been trying to find a different route to the same destination ever since.

Boo!

[Pachamama]

138. Their Halloween Scarecrow didn't work....anybody change their mind?

They are so full of it....I'm not buying....So OBL is tanned and well-fed and mocking Bush....Are we all supposed to switch our votes and feel safer with Bush? Hardly....Anybody who falls for this load of bs wasn't going to vote Kerry anyway...in fact, I would beg to differ with any of them and point out precisely why Bush must go....

[milkyway]

135. How many hours before this is in a bush ad? Let's have a pool--16 hrs is

my pick.

[H2O Man]

151. I think DUers should

fund a MoveOn.Org commercial, with Bush saying "We're gonna get im, dead or alive," then that he doesn't think about him much, ain't so worried 'bout 'im, then denying it during #3 debate "he is exaggggerrrrattting!"

I hate violence, but the Kerry that took his boat to shore, jumped out and chased down the guy shooting at them, and then killed him .... that's who we need as president.

[gulfcoastliberal]

142. WOW

Just wow! How many October surprises are we in for? Hang on tight!

[nodehopper]

143. does anyone know how the freepers are taking this???

Are heads exploding over at their board?

[Tesibria]

156. yeah -- but they keep gettting shut down --

but I keep saving them "as is" as it happens.

they're thrilled, of course.

I still think that they're reading it wrong. I think that this just may backfire.... on Bush.

[Tesibria]

159. MSNBC reporting on how OBL was supported by US in 1982

during period he's now addressing....

[Zephyrbird]

146. I hate to throw a wet blanket here...

but IMO, this will bring out folks voting in droves for Bush.

Why? Because the American people love an underdog--they will think to themselves, "let's show that dirty turd we're not afraid of him!" And they'll vote to give Bush a chance to "get him!"

Such a hornets' nest!

[Tesibria]

150. not so sure

that is CERTAINLY what they're counting on -- but am not so sure at all....

... more details are coming out.

I'm not so sure at all.

[MidwestMomma]

152. Bin Laden does not deserve ANY air time in this country

I'm sorry, but the man is a murderer.

That would be like showing tapes of Charles Manson rambling on about why more people have to die. Or before he died, showing a tape of Tim McVeigh and letting him tell the American people why the people in Oklahoma had to die.

I call complete and utter bullshit. There is no reason to give this man air time here. The US media fails to air stories and pictures all the time that are seen in other parts of the world. But oh my god, Bin Laden has spoken and we have to rush the tape on our TV??? WTF?? Why give him the audience.

Any tape from this man should be banned from TV except for the tape of his capture and trial.

Thanks for listening....

[wordout]

153. c'mon peeps!

how does anyone here know what he said? who among us @ DU speaks osamas language? has anyone listened to the original tape? would you know his voice if you heard it?

SUCKERS! Rove is laughing at you.

[Mabus]

154. IF BUSH WINS, THE TERRORISTS WIN

From a local forum:

CNN reports a Osama Bin Laden tape from an Arab media outlet. This is probably going to help Bush. Sitting presidents historically get a bounce from a major national security or terrorist incident.

People must be made to understand that if Bush wins, the terrorists win. It's very likely we let Bin Laden escape Tora Bora by not committing a conventional US military force to cut off the retreat to Pakistan. He ignored terrorism before 9-11 and he has SLOWED DOWN our securing of suitcase nukes from the Old Soviet Union. He has a tendency to panic (9-11) and underestimate the complexity and danger of his foreign policy decisions (Iraq, North Korea, Israel, Iran).

We need to get the word out.

IF BUSH WINS, THE TERRORISTS WIN.

[joshcryer]

157. This is huge. This is absolutely huge.

Nothing, nothing, NOTHING, compares to this event in the history of this campaign.

[NotSoSure]

163. Kerry is going to have to spell out this weekend exactly how

he plans on getting bin laden without discrediting the troops that have been hunting him.

[Catherine Vincent]

171. Kerry doesn't have to do anything. But we know Bush screwed up.

[BUSHOUT]

172. WTF?!? Kerry has been EXPLAINING ALL ALONG! Why does Kerry have to

explain anything this weekend to anyone?
Everyone knows he's been CONSTANTLY saying that Bush took special forces out of Afghanistan and that he'd increase the special forces in the hunt for Bin Laden.

You haven't been paying attention very closely.

And you statement seems to imply that Kerry has denigrated the troops in the past.

Does Bush need to explain why we're seeing Bin Laden on our TV screens YET AGAIN?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

173. Kerry doesn't have to say anything...the ball's in El Chimpo's court....

...let him explain why OBL is still able to make videos.

[zippy890]

164. Bin Laden doesn't care who is president

To the jihadists we are all infidels, and our way of life is a threat to them(their perspective)

The issue is more the timing of the release of the tape.
I think BL is quite aware of the intense division in the US, and hopes to spark a civil war where we kill each other.

[Moderator]

170. Please continue in Thread II

Sorry for the inconvenience.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x943839