925 felons in Florida plan to vote illegally, Republicans say

[seemslikeadream]

By GARY FINEOUT

Tallahassee (Fla.) Democrat


Florida's Republican Party says it has a list of 925 felons who have voted illegally or are planning to. The information could be used to challenge voters before or on Election Day or in court afterward if the results are close again.

The GOP found the allegedly illegal voters by starting with the same flawed set of names the state compiled in an effort to purge the voter rolls. That list was eventually scrapped after its inaccuracies were exposed.

The party built a list of 14,489 registered voters it says shouldn't be allowed to cast ballots because they're felons whose civil rights haven't been restored. Of those, Republican officials say 925 have thus far either voted early or requested an absentee ballot.

"This is evidence of the law being broken," said Mindy Tucker Fletcher, senior adviser to Florida's Republican Party. "We knew that felons were on the rolls. We knew that (election) supervisors had not done their due diligence in cleaning up the rolls. We knew the potential existed for fraud."

Of the 925, she said 580 were Democrats, 214 were Republicans, 127 were independents and four were members of minor parties.

more
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/10047182.htm

[bushisanidiot]

1. I think what they do is get a list of felons then look for legitimate

voters who happen to have the same name as the felons, then claim that those legitimate voters cast illegal votes.

[Jack Rabbit]

3. That's more-or-less how their felon list works

The Republican machine in Florida has illegally disenfranchised far more than 925 legitimate voters that way, both this year and in 2000.

I'm afraid Florida has already been stolen.

[FlaGranny]

14. That's not even the half of it -

the names can be reversed, be similar but not identical, or be a real long shot with a birthday that is NEAR a felon's birthday who has a remotely similar name. The felon list is all encompassing - especially if your first name is Willy and your last name is White or Brown.

[freeplessinseattle]

2. oh, I thought they were talking about

the felons that haven't been caught or arrested yet, and was surprised that they would out themselves like that. oh, that's right, they're above the law.

[Jack Rabbit]

4. You mean the ones who should be charged with election fraud?

Turn yourself in now, Jeb.

[lostnfound]

5. So 90,000 false positives were okay, but 925 false negatives are not..

Isn't Mindy Tucker the same dip-sheep denying knowing anything about the 'caging list' in Greg Palast's new video?

[cthrumatrix]

12. BINGO..... no common sense

[leetrisck]

6. "planning to vote" - I'm so happy

they could figure out they were "planning to"

[sattahipdeep]

7. Oh no, not again

by URI DOWBENKO

Oh no, not again -- $20 BILLION in Iraqi oil
money managed by Paul Bremer and the
Coalition Provisional Authority is "missing" and
"unaccounted for."

How could the Bush-Cheney Regime skim so
much money so quickly? Congressmen want to
know. A congressional hearing on a U.N.
oil-for-food program has morphed into questions
about where the $20 BILLION in Iraqi funds went.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=102&contentid=1609

[seemslikeadream]

10. Come back baby, come back

Come back Dov tell us where all the money went.

Pentagon Fraud Chief Dov Zakheim Goes to BoozAllen
by URI DOWBENKO

Rabbi Zakheim has left the Pentagon. Thank God.

After more than 20 years of presiding over more than $3 trillion worth of military fraud, Pentagon Comptroller Dov Zakheim has left the building. He will join Booz Allen Hamilton through the traditional revolving door for government-corporate insiders.

A former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense from 1985-1987 and Pentagon Comptroller since 2001, Zakheim was responsible for mismanaging more than $400 billion annually, as Pentagon discredited audits have persisted year after year.

The Department of Defense has never received a clean financial audit.

As recently as the December 18, 2003 audit by GAO (General Accounting Office), the Pentagon's 'War on Iraq Scam' and other Information Technology (IT) Fraud yielded $1.6 billion in "losses," money "missing" and otherwise unaccounted for.

more
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=70&contentid=1222


Winds of Change:
Troubled Waters Ahead For the Neo Cons
by
Wayne Madsen

According to Pentagon and Justice Department sources, U.S. investigators discovered that Ahmad Chalabi and his business partners were involved in fraudulently obtaining cellular phone licenses in Iraq. The Pentagon's Undersecretary of Defense for International Technology Security John (Jack) Shaw smelled a neo-con rat when the Iraqi Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), in late 2003, awarded cellular phone contracts to three companies - Orascom, Atheer, and Asia-Cell - with ties to Ahmed Chalabi. As with all those who challenge the impropriety and illegal activities of the neo-cons, Shaw was, in turn, charged with improperly steering Iraq cell phone contracts to Qualcomm and Lucent. However, it is Shaw, reported by his longtime colleagues to be a solid and trustworthy public servant, who has the confidence of law enforcement, Pentagon investigators, and the military brass. Anything with Ahmed Chalabi's fingerprints on it also bears the fingerprints of his nephew Salem Chalabi. Salem, named as the chief prosecutor in Saddam Hussein's trial, is a law partner of L. Marc Zell, a Jerusalem-based attorney who was the law partner of Douglas Feith - the head of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans that concocted phony intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and ties to Al Qaeda with the assistance of Likud operatives seconded by Ariel Sharon's government.

The law firm of Feith & Zell, in concert with Perle, was instrumental in funneling hundreds of millions of dollars from Arab and Muslim countries to the Bosnian government during that nation's civil war. While that effort was ostensibly designed to assist the Bosnians to purchase weapons, officials familiar with its actual operation reported that some of the arms and money "spilled over" to Al Qaeda and Iranian Pasdaran forces in the Balkans.

The neo-con attack on Shaw was predictable considering their previous attacks on Ambassador Joe Wilson, his wife Valerie Plame, former U.S. Central Command chief General Anthony Zinni, former counter-terrorism coordinator Richard Clarke, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, CIA counter-terrorism agent Michael Scheuer (the "anonymous" author of Imperial Hubris who has recently been gagged by the Bush administration), fired FBI translator Sibel Edmonds (who likely discovered a penetration by Israeli and other intelligence assets using the false flag of the Turkish American Council and who also has been gagged by the Bush administration), and all those who took on the global domination cabal. But Shaw showed incredible moxie. When he decided to investigate Pentagon Inspector General Reports that firms tied to Perle and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz were benefiting from windfall profit contracts in Iraq, Shaw decided to go to Iraq himself to find out what was going on. When Shaw was denied entry into Iraq by U.S. military officers (yes, a top level official of the Defense Department was denied access to Iraq by U.S. military personnel!), he decided to sneak into the country disguised as a Halliburton contractor. Using the cover of Cheney's old company to get the goods on Cheney's friends' illegal activities was yet another masterful stroke of genius by Shaw. But it also earned him the wrath of the neo-cons. They soon leaked a story to the Los Angeles Times claiming that Shaw actually snuck into Iraq to ensure that Qualcomm (on whose board sat a friend of Shaw's) was awarded a lucrative cell network contract.

But nothing could be further from the truth. Shaw, who worked for Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, represented the Old Guard Republican entity that in August 2003 set up shop in the Pentagon right under the noses of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Feith to investigate the neo-con cabal and their illegal contract deals. The entity, known as the International Armament and Technology Trade Directorate, was soon shut down as a result of neo-con pressure. Not to be deterred, Shaw continued his investigation of the neo-cons. Although the neo-cons told the Los Angeles Times that the FBI was investigating Shaw, the reverse was the case: the FBI was investigating the neo-cons, particularly Perle and Wolfowitz, for fraudulent activities involving Iraqi contracts. And in worse news for the neo-cons: Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was giving the Inspector General's and Shaw's investigations a "wink and a nod" of approval.

The financial stakes for the Pentagon are high - the Iraqi CPA's Inspector General recently revealed that over $1 billion of Iraqi money was missing from the audit books on Iraqi contracts. For Shaw and the FBI, it was a matter of what they suspected for many years - that Perle, Wolfowitz, and their comrades were running entities that ensured favorable treatment for Israeli activities - whether they were business opportunities in a U.S.-occupied Arab country or protecting Israeli spies operating within the U.S. defense and intelligence establishments

more
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081104_winds_change.shtml


:hi:

[bowens43]

8. 90,000 blacks and Latinos disenfranchised

under Jeb Bush's orders during the 2000 election campaign!

[fugue]

9. In my opinion, such an action would constitute civil disobedience

It's a terrible law. The way to keep someone from committing crimes is to make them feel that they are a part of legitimate society. So long as they are "outsiders," they are likely to feel it's OK to prey upon members of legitimate society.

What's the most basic right of members of legitimate society in our country? That's right: the vote.

Sometimes it's a citizen's duty to break the law.

[Ganja Ninja]

11. It's only 924 if we can stop Rush from going to the polls. n/t

[seasat]

13. The felon voter list is a holdover from the Jim Crow Laws.

It was originally enacted to prevent blacks from voting. They are more likely to be convicted of a felony and less likely to follow through to get their voting rights reinstated. Only a handful of states require former felons to petition the state to have their rights reinstated after they have served their time and finished parole. Its a racist law and should be repealed.

[July]

22. DUer "xultar" coined a great term for this: Jeb Crow. nt

[seasat]

25. I like that phrase.

I'm going to remember that one, thanks.

[Rose Siding]

15. Well that's it. FL's going to have to sit this one out

Jeb would have worse odds with a coin-toss anyway.

(Dear FL Dems, hang in there)

[sherilocks]

16. Imagine this-your name is John Smith

You're standing in line waiting to vote. The people in line are your neighbors, all living in the same precinct. You get to the front of the line, pull out your ID and some asshole rethug steps up and says, "this man is a convicted felon and I challenge his vote." Of course, you could be a different John Smith or maybe you committed your felony years ago (and your neighbors don't know about it, until now, that is) and had your civil rights restored. But just imagine how embarassing this would be.

I hope the state and national repug parties get sued and financially wiped out for what they are doing to get the idiot boy elected.

[Fovea]

17. Now let me see if I have this right...

925 former criminals, so patriotic and inspired by democracy that they are willing to risk further legal trouble to vote, and the Republicans
think this is wrong?

Denial of voting rights to felons is a form of prior restraint, IMO.
There is absolutely no reason to further punish a citizen who has paid their debt to society.

This denial of civil rights is in itself a criminal act, I think.

[0007]

18. I think so too!

Vote as if your life depended on it, because it does.

Call 866 687-8683
If Poll Workers refuse you to vote for any reason
If there is a late opening or early closing of a polling place.
If your polling place runs out of ballots or has an incorrect ballot
If you experience poll worker insensitivity or discrimination in the voting process

When you call the hotline, be prepared to give your name, telephone number, and note as many
details as possible, including the names of the people who are involved.

[Q3JR4]

19. So to keep 952 felons from voting, they've purged 10,000 names? Bastards.

[devilgrrl]

20. 925 felons in Florida plan to vote illegally - for Bush!!!

:eyes:

[Cerridwen]

21. I didn't know the FL congress had 925 members - n/t

[Gregorian]

23. Fear. Fear. Fear. Lies. Lies. Lies. It's the GOP way.

Just be affraid. We'll do the rest. If we steal, cheat, bomb, kill, then you won't have to be affraid. Vote GOP, and you'll never need to be affraid.
Now I know the truth. The Democratic party is the party of heros, bravery, and problem solving.

GOP go straight to hell, you MF'ers. You can keep your stolen votes, too.


Damnit! I'm pissed. I just missed my 1000th post. WOO HOO!

[Drifter]

24. I would rather have ...

1000 people slip through the cracks and be allowed to vote illegally, instead of 100,000 people slip through the cracks and prevented to vote illegally.

Same thing for Welfare.

I would rather waste a million dollars in welfare fraud, instead of a billion dollars in corporate welfare fraud.

Cheers
Drifter

[ryban]

26. Look at this from the Sp Times...

. . . But within hours of the Republicans' announcement came indications that the GOP list may suffer some of the same problems that caused Secretary of State Glenda Hood to scrap her controversial list of 47,763 suspected felon voters in July.

Reporters for the St. Petersburg Times quickly found two Tampa Bay area individuals on the GOP list who say they have had their voting rights restored.

Records show Neal D. Bolinger, 57, of St. Petersburg had his rights restored in 1974, two years after his conviction for grand larceny, and has been voting ever since.

He used an absentee ballot last week to vote straight Republican.

<snip>

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/29/State/GOP__Florida_felons_a.shtml

[Judi Lynn]

27. From the Miami Herald.....

Posted on Fri, Oct. 29, 2004




VOTING ROLLS


GOP calls 925 felons illegal voters

The Republican Party of Florida drew up its own list of felons it says are ineligible to vote. The party could use the information to contest election results if they are close again in Florida.

BY GARY FINEOUT

[e-mail]


TALLAHASSEE - Foreshadowing a possible challenge of voters on Election Day or in court soon after, Florida's Republican Party said Thursday that it believes nearly 1,000 illegal voters plan to cast ballots this year.But the party's announcement may face its own challenges. The GOP found the allegedly illegal voters by using the same flawed list of felons that had been drawn up by the state elections division, but was scrapped after news organizations exposed its inaccuracies.

The party has built a list of 14,489 registered voters it says should not be allowed to vote because they are felons whose civil rights have not been restored. Of those, Republican officials say 925 thus far have either voted early or requested an absentee ballot.
(snip)

The party could challenge any absentee ballots cast before Election Day, since counties start counting those ballots today.But the party could also use the list of felons for a broader fight, to contest election results in court after Tuesday.
(snip)

At least one supervisor of elections, Leon County's Ion Sancho, said his office would not honor any challenges based on the GOP list. Sancho maintains that the law that allows someone to challenge the right to vote must be based on personal knowledge and evidence.

Mark Herron, a lawyer who works on behalf of Democrats and the campaign of John Kerry, said Sancho's answer points to a potential Election Day nightmare of each county responding differently to challenges based on this new felons list.
(snip/...)

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/state/10042532.htm
(Free registration is required)

[Sinnerman]

28. It's more like over 10,000 Illegal voters

[Skittles]

32. and you know this.......HOW?????

please DO TELL

[progressivebydesign]

29. WTF has happened to our democracy and elections????

I'm ranting here.. watch out! :grr:

I have HAD it with the republicans! They realized a while back that all they have are SHIT candidates, and that after a wildly successful prez like Clinton, they could NOT focus on DECENT campaigning, or FAIR discourse! NOOOO! They have to STEAL, SUE, INTIMIDATE, and LIE their way into office. Fuck them! The only campaign message they have is FEAR AND SMEAR!!!

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LiberalEconomist]

30. So, Katherine Harris plans to vote

925 times?

[Supersedeas]

31. greasing the rails for an election day train wreck-Jebby's really prepared

[young_at_heart]

33. Once again....Florida has "problems" with elections

Are they going to have yet another fiasco that will create plenty of havoc?

[ezekiel333]

34. Been set up from the begining....

Shouldn't be any surprise.

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