Powell Speaks of China, Taiwan 'Reunification'

[Fovea]

On a tour of Asia, Powell also said Taiwan does not enjoy "sovereignty as a nation" -- a long-standing but quietly held U.S. view whose blunt expression may irk independence-minded Taiwanese officials.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&e=8&u=/nm/china_taiwan_reunification_dc

[alittlelark]

1. Uh, I think the Taiwanese have a bit of a different take on that

Has Powell lost his senses? Again. :crazy:

[Fovea]

5. Giving up flexiblity on Taiwan

is trading the future for... what? Reunification should ideally follow, not preceed deep reform in the nature of Mainland China.

But China is making a very foolish turn toward automotive transportation. Remember Japan in the 30s? You think Japan needed oil. Just imagine China. And by the way, do not imagine the American cars are going to sell well over there. China will make Chinese cars.

[Wright Patman]

17. U.S.A.: a nation of fools

That's what I must conclude after reading this:

"But China is making a very foolish turn toward automotive transportation."

I believe there is something in the American spirit that makes Americans believe that all the cars and all the oil and gas in the world belong to them by divine birthright.

[tkmorris]

18. I think you're missing the point

Automotive transportation is growing increasingly more expensive, due to the rising costs of oil. The United States is already stuck in "a car in every pot" mode and has been since the fifties but China is adopting this policy NOW, in looking to the future. There is no real future in personal automobiles, the heyday of cheap gas is long over.

[Pert_UK]

19. You're right...I was in China for a while last year......

They're totally fucking their cities one by one as they decrease cycle lanes and increase roads. More and more cars are appearing - the sad thing is that in China (even more than the West) it's all about social status.

Owning a moped means you're way above someone who owns a bike, but owning a car (regardless of whether you need one or go anywhere in it) means that you're right at the top. It's an ostentatious display of wealth / status with no regard for either the environment or quality of life.

For example - there are excellent bus, subway and taxi services within Shanghai and many people ride bikes anyway........But there are now so many private cars around that the place is becoming gridlocked. Motorbike taxis are the only way to get through the roads at speed. Same thing was happenning to Guangzhou and apparently all the other major cities.

Has anybody factored in the HUGE increase in demand for oil from China when working out how long reserves will last?

[barb162]

33. your last sentence, LOL ,yeah ,about 10 years? All of the oil

studies are always at "current Levels of consumption" like there is no population increasing anywhere or markets increasing anywhere. And what about India, you know a billion people here, a billion there, it adds up.

[Fovea]

27. Do note my user pic

That is me, on the bike I use for transportation.

America can either ween itself off oil, or it can crash in a way that makes people long fondly for 1929.

[moondust]

21. China should stick to public transportation.

Pursuing oil dependence is stupid.

[mumon]

23. No I better not say that

Uh, never mind...

[MisterP]

8. in a word, yes

kick

[daydreamer]

9. Powell is right

There is only one China, and Taiwan is part of it. Powell is merely stating the U.S. official position on the Taiwan issue.

[alittlelark]

12. Powell is a puppet - very sad that a man with such potential

would allow himself to be controlled by the chimp's handlers.

[delete_bush]

2. I thought Chimpy said that God told him

he wants everyone to be free? This just won't do.

[Maple]

3. First thing Powell has ever said

that makes sense.

The world doesn't need WWIII over a tiny island that belongs with China.

Taiwanese have invested billions in the mainland themselves.

[Amigust]

4. What does * want from China that he's willing to sell out Taiwan's freedom

to get it?

[minkyboodle]

6. weren't there rumors of Bin Hidin' in China

[Maple]

7. It's been your official US position for years

both Clinton terms included.

Since 1979 in fact.

[daydreamer]

10. There you go

At least someone knows the fact.

[alittlelark]

13. But the b*shbot sang of 'freedom for all'

I guess it was only all those who we chose to bestow our 'freedom' on.

It may have BEEN our official policy, but if we're spreadin' freedom......

[Fovea]

28. I think it is more accurate

to say that is has been the 'good cop' in a 'good cop, bad cop' strategy regarding Taiwan.

It has been buying Taiwan time. The goal has been to allow modernization of China to convert it's inflexible repressive govt.

Of course, * likes inflexible and repressive.

[daydreamer]

11. What do you mean?

Do you mean that Taiwan's freedon is in bush's hand?

[Amigust]

14. Taiwan now is self-ruled, not mainland ruled -- their freedom.

Like Hong Kong's diminishing self determination, Taiwan's would also go if reunified.

From time to time, when Beijing makes beligerent threats toward Taiwan, the US does let Beijing know that they don't support the saber rattling. If the US signaled that it would remain silent, things could change dramatically, imo.

[daydreamer]

15. Hove you been to Hong Kong, Taiwan, mainland China?

For your information, Hong Kong was British colony not a democracy before China took back from British in 1997, and had no self determination. The Governor of Hong Kong was appointed by British.

[Amigust]

16. Right, of course, on British control. The point is, greater and greater

restrictions have been imposed by Beijing beginning almost immediately, although Beijing's assurance up to and at the time of the handover was that Hong Kong would be self-determining -- one nation, two models of government.

[nolabels]

24. So did Powell turn into Henry Kissinger?

Colin might be corrupt and underhanded but he has never shown a fiendish maneuvering of a Henry K. Takes a real sick mind to trade millions lives for a political-one-oneupmanship degree. Other than Negroponte, I don't even think bushco mis-administration has anyone with that much evil moxie. Sure they have made big plans, but most of em are weasels so it's going to be hard to carry them out.

Then other hand says: Evil people are made not born, so....
Another stolen election might embolden them and one should never spend too much time on measuring another's potential

Besides, the driving force is......

http://yorick.infinitejest.org:81/1/cards.ht

P.S. the only thing I am a little confused about is how blind some or most of the people are to these miscreants and what they are really up to.

[justinfielding]

29. Powell hates them for their freedom! n/t

[kori]

20. Hmmmmm OBL in China?

Is this the price to get the Chinese to turn him over?

It made sense OBL was there, it made sense that they made a deal with him to keep their Muslims quiet. It would take a high price to get him if that is true. This would be a high price.

[truthisfreedom]

22. powell is history. who gives a flying HOO-HAA what he says anymore.

he's so lame that he can spin on a dime.

[eablair3]

25. his stance depends on his audience

Powell was speaking to Chinese TV, and even the State Dept said he might say it differently at another time. Imagine what he'd say if it was TV from Taiwan.

from the story:

>>> In a separate interview with Hong Kong's Phoenix TV, also taped in Beijing, Powell rejected the position adopted by some Taiwanese officials that the island is a sovereign nation.

"Taiwan is not independent. It does not enjoy sovereignty as a nation, and that remains our policy, our firm policy," Powell told Phoenix TV.

U.S. officials said Powell's reunification comment was not intended to signal any change in U.S. policy and suggested he might use different language if asked the question again. <<<

[Art_from_Ark]

26. None of these bu$hies have any idea

what the hell "sovereign" means!

[Neshanic]

30. "Mr. Secretary, your wife called and said the movers want a deposit."

[dArKeR]

31. Powell's China Comments Anger Taiwanese

TAIPEI, Taiwan - Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) has angered Taiwanese officials and lawmakers by making unusually strong comments denying that the island is an independent nation and suggesting Taiwan should unify with China.

Washington usually avoids weighing in on the touchy split, which arose when Mao Zedong's communist army won control of the Chinese mainland in 1949 and anti-communist forces took refuge on Taiwan.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041026/ap_on_re_as/taiwan_us_china_1

Why does the AP say "took refuge"? Taiwan was invaded by the filthy dirty Chinese bastards! Thousands of Taiwanese were murdered and put under brutal martial law. If any questions go ask Mikie "Whore" Chinoy.

[barb162]

34. I don't think the people in Hong Kong are that wild about Chinese

rule...let Taiwan decide its own wishes. They have been ruling themselves for 50 years.

[Amigust]

36. "took refuge" - Taiwan history

http://www.taiwandc.org/hst-1624.htm#1945

History depends on who's telling it. Don't know how this account ranks on that score, but here it is.

[Gaffey Duck]

37. More accurate than the neo-Nazi Kuomintang bullshit...

Taiwanese progressives should drive Mainlander far-right unifcationists into the Taiwan Strait!

[dArKeR]

32. Sure glad I brought my 'info' disk on vacation with me!

The Robert F. Kennedy of Asia, President Chen Shui Bian (Abian)
http://www.president.gov.tw (Taiwanese)
http://www.president.gov.tw/index_e.html (English)
http://www.scanews.com/collester/article3/article3.html



The book that built the Lien family.
Just when the family assets of Lien Chen-tung and his son Lien Chan became a hot election campaign issue, a dissertation written by academic Lin Yuan-huei.

The 30,000-character paper tells the reader that, during the era of Japanese occupation, both Lien Heng and Lien Chen-tung worked for a pro-Japanese newspaper. It also tells how Lien Heng eulogized the colonizers in poems.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/02/06/2003097679



"Since last year, the pan-blue camp has carried out numerous campaign activities in China, all in violation of Chinese law. However, not only did the Chinese government fail to put a stop to these activities, instead it allowed and even supported their activities," said DPP campaign headquarters spokesman Wu Nai-jen (§d¤D¤¯).
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2004/02/10/2003098164



More than 60 percent of Taiwan's people believe China's authorities are hostile to the country's government while over 40 percent consider the hostility targeted at Taiwan's population, the Mainland Affairs Council said yesterday after reviewing 80 polls conducted on cross-strait relations last year.
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2004/02/10/1076377991.htm



"It is an embezzlement case with top KMT officials involved. Whoever can control the project has to be someone with a minister status or higher. We should find out who made the decisions back then," Chang said.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2004/02/13/2003098519


Lee said that the people of Taiwan need to shrug off the mentality of being a "long-term laborer" after being ruled by the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) for half a century, and take up the responsibility of being the master of their own country.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/02/09/2003098044




Taiwan's Chen Defends Move on Referendum
(Los Angeles Times - free register)
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-chen8feb08,1,5010944.story?coll=la-headlines-world





Liu Yan Chun grew up in Taiwan firmly believing that her family would someday go back to mainland China. It took most of her life to realize that there would be no triumphant return, as envisioned by the Nationalists when they retreated (Edit: this word should be INVADED Formosa which they renamed to Taiwan.) to Taiwan after defeat by the Chinese Communists in 1949. It took her longer still to realize that she had no desire to return.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/315530.asp



007 James Bond - Sean Connery says President Chen is his hero!
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2003/11/06/2003074804



First lady's European tour seen as diplomatic success
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2003/07/24/1059010376.htm



Assassination Attempt
Chen's wife, you know, was at a time an even more strident crusader than he was for the rights of the Taiwanese and the DPP. In 1985 she was rammed over three times by a truck and was crippled, and the driver was never found despite the fact that there were witnesses. Most Taiwanese believe _ that it was a botched KMT assassination attempt. And Chen has to go home every night and see her sitting in a wheelchair because of it. It's not an easy thing to shake.
http://www.time.com/time/asia/marketqa/2000/03/20 /



Accident or assassination attempt?

One account claims the driver, described in press reports at the time as a "simple peasant with a steady job and a fixed residence, Chang Jung-tsai" was driving an "illegally assembled truck" down the narrow street where Mrs. Chen was standing.

Witnesses said Chang purposefully hit Mrs. Chen. They insisted that the driver reportedly exclaimed "Oh, she's not dead yet" before backing up and running over her again to ensure maximum injury if not death.
http://www.chinaonline.com/refer/biographies/secure/chenshuibian.asp



From poverty to power: Chen Shui-bian's rise to the presidency
http://www.chinaonline.com/refer/biographies/secure/chenshuibian.asp



(Ex President) Lee says pro-unification forces to blame for SARS outbreak
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2003/05/19/1053309473.htm



Ex-KMT mayor gets 7-year sentence
(He should be forced to pay back the money he stole OR buy every person in Taiwan a kayak!)
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2004/01/21/1074621047.htm



Young voters supportive of Chen, poll says
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2004/01/21/1074620716.htm



Chen gains 55% approval rating, survey shows
(The come back kid!)
(Someone send me an Abian doll!)
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2004/01/21/1074620504.htm


Taiwan's Chen Defends Move on Referendum
Calling Taiwan a free and sovereign country, President Chen Shui-bian defended his decision to call a referendum on relations with mainland China and rejected international concerns that the move was a provocation that endangered the uneasy peace in the Taiwan Strait.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-chen8feb08,1,5010944.story?coll=la-headlines-world

http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2004/02/09/1076292171.htm





DPP decries Soong's proposal
(Soong and Lien are mainland pigs.)
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2003/06/15/2003055308



The TSU regards Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Chairman Lien Chan (??) and People First Party Chairman James Soong (???), both born in China, as "aliens."

(Wow, I didn't know they were born in China. This brings up very very very serious legal issues! Lien and Soong should NOT be issued Taiwan Passports because they were born in China. They should be issued Communist China Passports! If they are not eligible for Taiwan Passports then they are NOT Taiwan Citizens. If they are NOT Taiwan Citizens how can they hold political office in Taiwan? How, who issued them Taiwan passports and Taiwan IDs? I read many stories were a foreigner has a baby in Taiwan but the previous Gou Ming Dong government kicked them out of Taiwan. Even Taiwanese who married a foreigner, the foreigner could NOT stay in Taiwan as a citizen. So how can the Taiwan law be so strict on citizenship but allow Lien and Soong to maintain Taiwan Citizenship?)
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/01/29/2003096618



Ma's democratic credentials queried.
Ma, Guo Ming Dong's (KMT) Pig Puppet Mayor
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/01/29/2003096609



DPP says KMT should apologize for buying votes
(Apologize? Put the scum in jail!)
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2003/11/23/2003076933




KMT (Pig) rebel blasts party's voting order
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2003/06/02/2003053622



Recent poll shows satisfication with government, Chen
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2003/05/17/1053136494.htm



Former hospital chief under fire (SARS spreader)
Wu was the superintendent of Taipei Municipal Jen Ai when President Chen Shui-bian was Taipei mayor, but he was fired over allegations of corruption in an equipment purchase scandal.

When Ma Ying-jeou (KMT Pig) was elected mayor, he invited Wu back and made him the superintendent of Hoping.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2003/05/13/205762



The ¡¥New Taiwan Person¡¦
Centuries ago, the island had an aboriginal culture of Malay and Polynesian descent. In the 17th century, the Dutch and Portuguese had colonies here, and the imported Chinese laborers ¡X all men ¡X intermarried with locals, forming the basis of the majority of today¡¦s population. According this version of history, it was only in 1887 that China declared Taiwan a part of its territory in an effort to stem Japanese expansionism, say independence activists. But when that failed, China ceded Taiwan to Japan in perpetuity.
The Japanese held Taiwan for 50 years, until their defeat in World War II. In the years immediately after, Allied Forces backed Chiang Kai-shek¡¦s temporary occupation of Taiwan. But according to pro-independence legal experts, the Nationalists never had a legal basis to stay.
¡§In 1949, Taiwan did not ¡§split off from China¡¨, but was occupied by the losing side in the Chinese Civil War,¡¨ according to a 1999 white paper endorsed by 18 overseas Taiwanese associations.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/316717.asp?cp1=1



Premier's performance satisfies public, poll says
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2003/08/01/2003061799



Chirac sold out to PRC for commerce, says Lu Taiwan VP
Vice President Annette Lu (???) declared that French President Jacques Chirac had "sold out the national character and spirit of France" by opposing Taiwan's planned peace referendum Monday during a visit to Paris by People's Republic of China State Chairman Hu Jintao (???).
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2004/01/29/1075343350.htm



Billions Embezzled In China (Like Communist Chinese like KMT. What¡¦s the difference between a Communist Chinese and a Guo Ming Dong Chinese? Answer:Nothing)
Audits aimed at ferreting out corruption in China uncovered $8 billion in misused or embezzled funds and widespread irregularities that produced "serious losses" of state assets, the government said Friday.

Auditors investigated 130,000 state businesses and offices last year as part of the communist leadership's campaign against the pervasive graft that has soured public faith in the government.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/30/world/main596944.shtml



Protest staged over KMT assets
Forging ahead with a campaign to exert pressure on the Kuomintang to return swathes of its financial and property holdings to the state, local activists yesterday staged a protest in front of the former ruling party's headquarters demanding it hand over allegedly 'ill-gotten' assets.

Members of the Alliance to Campaign for Rectifying the Name of Taiwan brandishing leaflets entitled 'Returning KMT Party Assets' yesterday morning converged on the Chinese Nationalist Party headquarters, downtown Taipei and called on KMT Chairman Lien Chan (??) along with other party staff to vacate the building.
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2004/01/29/1075343998.htm



Taiwan's democracy has need of America
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/01/29/2003096653
Chinese army preparing large-scale military exercises aimed at Taiwan
BEIJING, (AFP) - China is gearing-up for large-scale military wargames aimed at "taking control of the Taiwan Strait", with 18,000 troops and the amphibious landing of a tank brigade.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040601/photos_ts_wl_afp/040601073707_3wk987jc_photo0
AFP/File Photo




The exercises were to take place in June and July on Dongshan Island in southeastern Fujian province just 150 nautical miles west of Taiwan's Penghu Island, the New Express Daily said, citing a pro-Beijing Hong Kong newspaper.

China has become increasingly agitated with independence-leaning Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian, and the report referred to the exercises as the first-ever aimed at "striving to control the Taiwan Strait."

The 18,000 soldiers will be deployed from the land, navy and air force of the Nanjing Military Region, where some 500 short-range ballistic missiles are pointed at Taiwan.

"Sukoi Su-27 fighter jets will be outfitted with KN59M guided air-to-surface missiles in an effort to maintain control over the Taiwan Strait and ensure that tank brigades can make a landing and engage in warfare," the report said.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1503&ncid=2069&e=1&u=/afp/20040601/ts_afp/china_taiwan


KMT youth urge Lien to spare them any favors



By Huang Tai-lin
STAFF REPORTER
Wednesday, Jun 02, 2004,Page 1

Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Chairman Lien Chan (??) is too much of an embarrassment for many younger members of his party, who say they would rather not be associated with the three-time election loser.

"How can you embark on a `thanksgiving and unity tour' when you don't work to unite party headquarters first?" said Chiu Teh-hung (???), organizer of a group of young party members calling itself the "Blue Eagle Warriors" (????).

KMT spokesman Alex Tsai (???) announced on Monday that Lien, 68, was planning a tour of central and southern Taiwan this month to thank supporters and drum up support for KMT candidates in the year-end legislative elections.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2004/06/02/2003157897



Taiwanese VP asks world support against possible attack by China



SAN JOSE (AFP) - Taiwanese Vice President Lu Hsiu-lien asked for international support for her island against a possible attack from mainland China, saying Beijing posed an "imminent danger" to Taiwan.

"Taiwan has been fighting alone for 50 years to protect itself against this possible invasion," she told a press conference on the second day of an official visit to Costa Rica, part of a three-country Central American tour.

"Today," she said, "we need the world to give us a hand so that this threat does not become reality."

Lu Hsiu-lien said China has been expanding its military power and at the moment it has along its eastern coast "more than 600 missiles aimed at Taiwan," a number she said could be increased to 800 to 1,000 next year.

The missiles, she said, pose an "imminent danger," not only to Taiwan, but to "the entire Asia-Pacific region."

China "puts on an outwardly peaceful mask" but in reality "is developing massive power in many areas," said the Taiwanese vice president.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1530&ncid=2069&e=1&u=/...






Jackie 'Whore' Chan is a Communist Puppet!
Senior DPP figure gets in a tangle over Jackie Chan
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/04/23/2003137723




Jackie Chan Rips Taiwan's Election

TAIPEI, Taiwan - Hong Kong film star Jackie Chan (news) said Sunday that Taiwan's recent presidential election was "the biggest joke in the world."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040329/ap_en_mo/people_j ...

I'm putting the WORLD on notice. This is how Fascism, Communism, Brutal Regimes, Nazis, Hitlers rise. The use of immoral instruments masquerading as moral/just people. Chan, speaking from Communist China and bashing Democracy! This is as laughable as Trent Lott saying aWol got more votes. Jackie 'Whore' didn't mention that there are no elections in China but its obviously the most corrupt and murderous regime on the planet. Where government officials falsely convict citizens, execute them and sell their body parts for cash.

Honk Kong has no ability to vote for its leader either. And the Communists are trying daily to take away ALL rights of Hong Kong citizens.

I was in Hong Kong when the first Chinese astronaut went on tour in Hong Kong. Who was there as the Communist mouth piece? Jackie 'Whore'. Not only did I read in the Hong Kong newspapers, I spoke to many Hong Kong citizens questioning why Jackie 'Whore' was playing the puppet for the Communists. So many people felt this way, Jackie 'Whore' went on a TV 'attack dog tour' (like Condi Lice is doing now), to try to salvage his reputation. He just kept saying, 'We are all Chinese that's why I do it.'

Everyone I spoke to, and also saw personally on HK TV interviews of people standing in line, (The space capsule was put on display at the Space Center next to Kowloon Star Ferry), the Hong Kong people said, 'I don't care about seeing Yang Liwei, astronaunt, I only want to see the space capsule.'

Most all HK people were really pissed at Jackie 'Whore' for his actions. Many said he's a traitor.


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You've got to look at this honestly people! Everyone stop and look what's go-in down! There isn't an official/knowledgable person in the world who'd say Taiwan's election procedures aren't the fairest in the world.

The people protesting, in Taiwan, are all the Fascists Mainland Chinese who invaded Taiwan in 1949. They are about the most corrupt group on Earth, have been stealing money from Taiwan since 1949 but now no longer have an easy method to steal.

The KMT Party is the richest political party in the world. How did they get this money?

Assassination attempt. Is Jackie 'Whore' willing to take a bullet in the stomach while riding in a Jeep? The investigation is on going but Jackie 'Whore' knows what happened?

You can read just about anywhere the near certainty of ALL Hong Kong media stars being part of the Hong Kong Mafia. Which I would assume has now been taken over by the Communist Chinese Government.

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ps. I'll never watch a Jackie 'Whore' movie again!



KMT must return its media to the public
The Campaign for Media Reform is a local media monitoring group

Monday, Jun 07, 2004,Page 8

Advertising
The media have reported that the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) intends to sell all its media businesses as a single package for about NT$8 billion.

These media businesses include Chinese Television Company, Ltd (CTV), Broadcasting Corporation of China, the Central Daily News and the Central Motion Pictures Corporation.

Private enterprises such as Eastern Multimedia Corp and Chinatrust Group have shown their interest in the deal.

As a media reform group, Campaign for Media Reform is strongly disappointed with the KMT's handling of its party-run media businesses.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/06/07/2003174131





What is China's beef with Chen?
By Sushil Seth

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004,Page 8
Why is China so angry with President Chen Shui-bian (³¯¤ô«ó)? Because he is not delivering Taiwan on a platter. Otherwise he appears quite reasonable, even from a Chinese viewpoint. For instance, in his recent inauguration address he scrupulously avoided the question of independence for Taiwan. He simply sought Beijing's cooperation "to guarantee there will be no unilateral change to the status quo in the Taiwan Strait." Indeed, he hasn't ruled out "any possibility, so long as there is the consent of the 23 million people of Taiwan."

For all his efforts at moderation, Beijing has branded his "provocative pro-independence activities the biggest threat to peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait." It has declared that "we will absolutely not tolerate Taiwan's independence" and would crush it "at any cost."

The sub-text of this harsh message is that Beijing doesn't trust Chen, no matter what he says. They also feel frustrated at the lack of credible political alternatives in Taiwan to advance China's unification goal. Indeed, Chen has consolidated his position by polling about 11 percent more votes than in 2000.


http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/06/10/2003174509



Pan-blues losing support, poll says
CHANGING ATTITUDES: The post-election antics of the opposition parties have cost them dearly, according to a poll conducted by the think tank Taiwan Advocates
By Chang Yun-ping
STAFF REPORTER
Friday, Jun 11, 2004,Page 1

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The two-month-long protest and resistance against the legitimacy of President Chen Shui-bian's (³¯¤ô«ó) re-election by the pan-blue alliance has resulted in the loss of public support, which would lead to a marked defeat of Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Chairman Lien Chan (³s¾Ô) by Chen should the presidential election be held now, a public opinion survey released by Taiwan Advocates (¸sµ¦·|) said yesterday.

The think tank yesterday held a press conference to release the results of a public opinion poll investigating the public's attitudes toward the two-month long protest by the KMT and People First Party (PFP).

Its findings showed that the disapproval rate of the pan-blues' protests has increased to 67.8 percent from 53 percent.

The poll also found that if the election were held today, 60 percent of the public would vote for the Democratic Progressive Party-backed presidential ticket of Chen and Vice President Annette Lu (§f¨q½¬), while 40 percent of the voters would support the KMT-PFP alliance's Lien-James Soong (§º·¡·ì) ticket.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2004/06/11/2003174569



China's a dying tiger, to be feared in decline
Jin Zhongª÷ÄÁ

Sunday, Jun 13, 2004,Page 8

When Hong Kong residents rallied to commemorate the fifteenth anniversary of the bloody Tiananmen Square crackdown, they mourned with a question in mind: Why did 1989's wave of democratization help end communist rule in Russia and across Eastern Europe, when at Tiananmen it heralded a rollback of people's rights that has lasted 15 years since then?

Princeton University professor Yu Ying-shih (§E­^®É) once remarked on China's future with the saying "a dying tiger is the most ferocious." The 3,000-year-old tiger of China's feudalism devoured many, but the tiger of China's communist tyranny is even more bloodthirsty, preying on tens of millions. But the 1989 democracy movement sounded the communist tiger's death knell. Ever since the Tiananmen massacre, a sense of crisis has weighed heavily on China's government.

Earlier this year, some Beijing scholars described China's policy framework as "market economy, elite alliance, authoritarian politics," claiming that this framework will remain unchanged for the next 10 years. Such is the autocracy that has emerged in China since 1989. After a visit to southern China, the late Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping (¾H¤p¥­) gave the green light to a free-market economy, linking China's bureaucracy to international capital to strengthen the dictatorship's effectiveness.

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China's purged Communist Party chief Zhao Ziyang poses for a photo at home in Beijing in Autumn of 2002. Zhao is 84, with silver hair and in declining health, but still lives under house arrest 15 years after he was toppled for opposing the army crackdown on student-led pro-democracy protests. Picture taken in Autumn 2002. REUTERS/Stringer/FEATURE/CHINA-TIANANMEN-ZHAO


`One China' review under way
RE-EXAMINATION: An academic at the Heritage Foundation says the US is studying the longstanding policy with an eye to debunking the myth that Taiwan is part of China
By Charles Snyder
STAFF REPORTER IN WASHINGTON
Thursday, Jun 17, 2004,Page 1

The Bush administration is already conducting a secret review of its "one China" policy, although the review is fairly narrow and technical and will not necessarily result in a decision to support Taiwan's independence, a leading Washington Taiwan specialist says.

John Tkacik, an academic at the Heritage Foundation, told the Taipei Times that the review aims to debunk the myth that Taiwan is part of China and to clarify just what a "one China" policy means.

He was commenting on a report issued in Washington on Tuesday by the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission, which recommended that the Bush administration and Congress "conduct a fresh assessment of the `one China' policy, given the changing realities in China and Taiwan."

"I think the State Department is already reviewing the `one China' policy," Tkacik said.


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Generalissimo to be buried in Taiwan
LEGACY: The man who led the shattered remnants of the Chinese Nationalist Party's forces to Taiwan after their defeat by the Communists will be buried here after all
By Chang Yun-ping and Jimmy Chuang
STAFF REPORTERS
Friday, Jul 09, 2004,Page 1

The bodies of Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek (½±¤¶¥Û) and his son and successor, former president Chiang Ching-kuo (½±¸g°ê), which lie embalmed in temporary mausoleums in Taoyuan County, will finally be buried after Chiang's descendants asked the government to bury the bodies of the two presidents in a military cemetery in northern Taiwan.

Generalissimo Chiang fled to Taiwan in 1949 after losing the Civil War against the Chinese Community Party. Chiang died in 1975. The burial of Chiang and his son in Taiwan mark the Chiang family's recognition that the "Republic of China" military could never retake China.

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US fires back at China over Taiwan
`STATUS QUO': The US Department of State's spokesman said yesterday that there had been no recent changes in Washington's policies or commitments to Taiwan
By Charles Snyder
STAFF REPORTER IN WASHINGTON
Friday, Jul 16, 2004,Page 1

The US on Wednesday rejected Chinese demands that Washington cut back on weapons sales and other cooperation with Taiwan, insisting that US policy had not changed in recent months.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher made the comments in response to statements Tuesday by Chinese Embassy spokesman Sun Weide (®]°¶¼w), who said that Beijing was "gravely concerned over the recent US moves on the Taiwan question."

"I don't know why one needs to talk about `recent US moves,'" Boucher said at his regular daily press briefing. "There's been no change in US policy regarding China and Taiwan."

US officials have repeatedly communicated the US' continuing Taiwan policy to China, Boucher said. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice reiterated the policy during her meetings in Beijing last week with the top Chinese leadership, as did Secretary of State Colin Powell in a recent meeting in Indonesia with Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhao-xing (§õ»F¬P), Boucher said.

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http://darkerxdarker.tripod.com/tiananmen.html to see below:

Local residents load wounded people on a rickshaw flatbed shortly after PLA soldiers opened fire on a crowd in Beijing in this June 4, 1989 file photo. Friday, June 4, 2004 marks the 15th anniversary of the military assault that killed hundreds, possibly thousands, and ended seven weeks of protests centered on Tiananmen Square. (AP Photo/Liu Heung Shing)




The bodies of dead civilians lie among mangled bicycles near Beijing's Tiananmen Square in this early June 4, 1989 file photo. Friday, June 4, 2004 marks the 15th anniversary of the military assault on pro-democracy protesters who had occupied the square for seven weeks. Hundreds, possibly thousands, died in the early hours of June 4, 1989 when troops shot their way through Beijing's streets to retake the square. (AP Photo)





This is a May 27, 1989 file photo of student leader Wang Dan in Tiananmen Square Beijing calling for a city wide march. Friday, June 4, 2004 marks the 15th anniversary of the military assault on pro-democracy protesters who had occupied the square for seven weeks. Hundreds died in the early hours of June 4, 1989 when troops shot their way through Beijing's streets to retake the square. (AP Photo/Mark Avery, File)



A Chinese man stands alone to block a line of tanks heading east on Beijing's Changan Blvd. near Tiananmen Square in this June 5, 1989 file photo. Friday June 4, 2004 marks the 15th anniversary of the military crackdown on a student-led demonstration for democratic reform and against government corruption, which left hundreds, possibly thousands dead. (AP Photo/Jeff Wide ner, File)


Chinese tanks guard a major approach to Tiananmen Square two days after the June 4, 1989 crackdown on democracy protests. A resolution was introduced in the US Congress condemning China for the brutal crackdown 15 years ago and offering hope to Chinese citizens that democracy will ultimately triumph in the communist-ruled nation(AFP/File/Manuel Ceneta)

[Charlie Brown]

35. This is about as likely

as a Pakistan-India "reunification" or a North-South Korea "reunification" or a U. S.-Britain "reunification."

[Gaffey Duck]

38. God's only truth!

1. The rise of left-leaning anti-China parties in Taiwan.

2. The will of the Taiwanese people, excluding the far-right Mainlander imperialists of the Chinese Civil War.

3. The far-right policies of the pro-China parties in Taiwan, of the CCP (trust me), and of the pro-Beijing parties in Hong Kong.

4. The fact that few Republicans have ever supported Taiwanese independence under the terms of Taiwan's Taiwanese nationalist movement, but rather Chinese unification under the terms of the far-right Kuomintang and its allies, now in league with the CCP since it realise that it has no future and will continue to lose power to left-leaning pro-independence parties unless it surrenders to the CCP.

5. DEATH TO THE CCP-GOP-SAUD FAMILY AXIS OF EVIL AND ALL WHO SUPPORT IT!!!!!!

The ironic thing is, the fundies who see this as "Taiwan good China bad" withoout understanding the nuances behind China and Taiwan are going to be very alienated between this and the civil union remarks,

[allemand]

40. Neocons are in favor of Taiwanese independence

"The Bush administration, however, has been extremely careful in its public statements about Taiwan. That has irritated neoconservatives, who believe that the United States should take a more direct role in backing the island state's drive towards independence.

"Taiwan's desirable democratic transformation has an unavoidable implication for U.S. policy on Taiwan – not to tilt against independence but toward it," William Kristol, the chairman and co-founder of the Project for the New American Century, a key neoconservative policy group, told the U.S. Congress in April."

Neocons Stir China-Taiwan Conflict
by Tim Shorrock
http://www.antiwar.com/ips/shorrock.php?articleid=3018

"Bolton has pressed for Taiwan to be recognized as an independent state and to be given a seat at the UN. He has been on the payroll of the Taiwanese government, according to the Washington Post.

His hard-line stance on China was underlined when in 1999 he signed a statement prepared by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) criticizing the Clinton Administration for its failure to support Taiwan fully. Other right-wingers signed the statement, including Paul Wolfowitz, James Woolsey, Elliot Abrams, William Buckley, and William Kristol."
http://english.daralhayat.com/Spec/10-2004/Article-20041010-838064fa-c0a8-01ed-004f-35394dc965fe/story.html

More:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/taiwan-20031209.htm

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/07/02/2003177393

[UpInArms]

39. related article: Powell: US not to support Taiwan independence

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-10/27/content_2145343.htm

BEIJING, Oct. 27 (Xinhuanet) -- US Secretary of State Colin Powell reiterates that there is only one China in the world, and Taiwan is not a sovereign nation, China Radio International reported Wednesday.

Powell told reporters from the Hong Kong Phoenix TV Station that Washington firmly supports the one-China policy, strictly abides by the commitments made in the Three Sino-US Joint Communiqués and will not support Taiwan Independence.

On Sino-US ties, Powell says the bilateral relations developed smoothly during past four years, adding that the two sides resolved some divergences in the field of economy and trade and have cooperated closely on regional issues.

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