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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 09:04 AM Original message |
Endangered species: US programmers |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. . |
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demnan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
2. Yes we are all facing this |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
3. Fort Worth Hosts Halliburton's Iraq Job Fair |
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harpo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
108. yeah I saw that too...herding cattle to the slaughter house |
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soup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
4. Can someone 'splain this to me? |
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Arioch (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 09:54 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Come Monday morning |
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alevensalor (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 10:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I'm a SW Eng |
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klook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 10:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I agree |
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alevensalor (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. It's a tough situation for US corporations |
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Cicero (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 12:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. You forgot about the lawyers and actors. eom |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 03:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. and military careers n/t |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 08:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
49. That the same arguement that * uses on taxing the rich - they have lawers |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 09:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
55. Just a little example of Corporate Greed |
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ramapo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. Worse than the idiotic Bush... |
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SkipNewarkDE (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 12:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. Good article in your blog. I, too am a software engineer |
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alevensalor (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. I can empathize with that |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 02:04 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Same story |
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soup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 10:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. The people who work at your company |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 10:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. I cannot blame one person for feeling this way. I was asked to do |
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arikara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 11:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Are you training your own replacements? |
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DulceDecorum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 10:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Unemployed tech people |
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klook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 10:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Jobs of the 21st century, Bush style |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Another one |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 09:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
53. Well, I guess |
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pdurod1 (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 12:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
64. Bush wants a nation of marching morons |
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klook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
7. Foreign code |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. ... |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
12. One ray of hope |
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klook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Good points |
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lagniappe (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 04:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. I tend to agree and have a more positive outlook. |
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DubyaSux (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
89. I agree... |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
39. Hi Kerry4Kerry!! |
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liberalcanuck (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 07:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
80. Sounds very familiar... |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
17. The industry is mature |
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klook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Interesting stuff. So what about Linux? (n/t) |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. linux is based on UNIX circa 1972 |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. The PDP-10! Brings back sweet memories... |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
20. Slashdot has this too |
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Robert Oak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
22. they won't look to the obvious |
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Boomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 12:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Nonsense |
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Robert Oak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 12:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. yup, they can outsource a plumber and electrician |
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trogdor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 01:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. The problem is the system making it worse... |
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Robert Oak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I wrote a dailykos comment wondering where is real intelligence? |
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Marxdem (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. I disagree |
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Boomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Technically, that's not outsourcing.... |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 09:03 AM Response to Reply #24 |
82. Plumbing and electrical |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-04 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
23. Note to CompSci PhD candidates, change your major! Who |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 01:20 AM Response to Reply #23 |
36. E week.... |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 12:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Hi OhioChick!! |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 11:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
63. TY! |
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NJGeek (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 08:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
47. sorry, but thats a ridiculous statement |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 09:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. Sorry, don't buy your argument. You say that you are an IT |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
37. It's not all like this... |
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Peter1x9 (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 12:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. "It's not all like this..." |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 03:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. RE: factcheck.... |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Nice... |
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NJGeek (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 08:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Agreed. |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 11:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. I have a suggestion for you If you like Russian employees |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 11:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
59. re: fatcheck |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:03 AM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Why I make the big bucks... |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 03:13 AM Response to Reply #66 |
74. RE: Why I make the big bucks... |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 12:11 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. Ummm... |
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podnoi (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 04:11 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. Damn Lazy American Workers! |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 06:01 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. fascism at the work place,a ..long time trick of management |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 11:59 AM Response to Reply #75 |
86. A great country.... |
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TheKingfish (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 08:01 AM Response to Reply #66 |
81. Curious |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 12:02 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Answer... |
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H3Dakota (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 09:04 AM Response to Reply #66 |
83. So, you can read... |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 12:32 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. The facts... |
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keischin (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 09:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. I've supervised full-time and contract software people..... |
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Must_B_Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 11:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
61. in highly detailed work |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:08 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. You know.... |
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Merlin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 02:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
70. Oh, my, that hiring process is just soooo strenuous. I don't know how ... |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
97. It is hard... |
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Merlin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 02:17 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. Since you insist your efforts have been conscientious and exceptional... |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-04 11:07 AM Response to Reply #37 |
119. You Were Trying To Hire During The Boom |
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NJGeek (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
46. a bit overstated |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
50. In my company, it's not even worth it to TRY to hire an American |
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are_we_united_yet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
51. I don't agree entirely |
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ItsTheMediaStupid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
52. Unionize all the guys running cables, etc |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
57. I have a friend who |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
60. Well, I did my very little bit |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-04 11:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. bravo! |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:14 AM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Hey... |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 02:26 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. RE: Hey... |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 02:42 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Good post. Don't get too excited, I'm an ex IBM executive, this |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 11:49 AM Response to Reply #71 |
84. So much hate.... |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 11:56 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. You claim that you make 300K, but your ability to articulate says 30k |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. That is fine.... |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 12:58 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. You know, articulate people can express their point of view without |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:04 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. More insults... |
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wellstone_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:20 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. Ah, finally someone catches it |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. No.. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 12:55 PM Response to Reply #84 |
93. I think, factcheck, that you'll find most folks on DU |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:20 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Interesting stuff... |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:48 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Plutocracy might be the defacto government |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. That's why... |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 07:40 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. After all that spending |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:35 PM Response to Reply #93 |
103. By all means... |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #103 |
111. I was wrong.... |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 05:09 AM Response to Reply #68 |
76. you just dont know how to hire people and let contracts out... |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:00 PM Response to Reply #76 |
95. You are somewhat right... |
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mhr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:21 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Unemployed 52 Months - Over 2,500 Resumes Out The Door |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:27 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Ouch! |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #95 |
105. not to spit on a good deed... |
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factcheck (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 06:59 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. Thanks... |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 07:36 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. if you pay me a retainer fee, i will send you people... |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 09:20 PM Response to Reply #95 |
115. Fine, then donate it to DU, they are a great cause but I'm afraid |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 10:32 PM Response to Reply #95 |
118. How about donating it to DU? |
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DubyaSux (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 12:31 PM Response to Reply #68 |
90. I'll back you up... |
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LiberteToujours (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
65. They need educations |
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wiswrong (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 01:20 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Educations |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 03:07 AM Response to Original message |
73. this has been a very interesting discussion...programming is definitely |
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sherilocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 06:18 AM Response to Original message |
78. The same thing happened during the Reagan/Bush |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 07:03 AM Response to Original message |
79. Outsource your CxO's - Save Billions! |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
106. I don't hear about the threat to US National Security here |
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Zing Zing Zingbah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
112. Good to know |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 09:57 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. RE: Good to know |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-04 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
117. I gave up the IT stuff and now teach in H.S. |
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