White House: Guard Never Disciplined Bush

[BlueNomad]

Sep 29, 5:40 PM EDT

White House: Guard Never Disciplined Bush

By PETE YOST
Associated Press Writer



WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush never was disciplined while serving in the Texas Air National Guard, never failed a physical and never asked his father or family friends for help to get him into the guard during the Vietnam War, the White House said Wednesday.

The White House answers came in response to a dozen questions submitted by The Associated Press in light of new records detailing Bush's Guard service and allegations that have surfaced this election season.

The Texas Air National Guard stripped Bush of his pilot status in August 1972 for failing to take the annual medical exam required of all pilots. Former Air National Guard officials say it was rare for a pilot to skip his physical exam.

AP asked whether Bush ever participated in a disciplinary process during his guard service, whether he ever received a critical report or was ever present for a conversation in which his performance, conduct or physical condition were raised by a superior officer....



Think he might be lying?

<http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BUSH_GUARD?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=POLITICS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT>

[hatrack]

1. Yup, he "never failed a physical"

Because he took them when and where he damn well pleased - but don't worry! He never "participated in a disciplinary process during his guard service", either.

[ewagner]

4. Note:

they used the word failed

That wasn't the question. Nobody accused or implied that he ever failed a physical.......he refused to take one

[central scrutinizer]

18. let's use the NCLB standard

No Child Left Behind (I still can't type that without retching) says that any student, even if they are a special ed student, has to take the same test as every other student. Not taking the test, or taking an alternate test is counted as a failure - no excuses or wiggle room.

[LiberalFighter]

37. Even before NCLB

A student can receive an F two ways... do the work and teacher grades the work as an F or don't turn in the work and it is still an F.

[indypaul]

23. Particularly the part that

requires you to pee in the bottle.

[cliss]

27. Good catch.

I think I finally see how they operate. They "mince words", they twist & lie and hide and distort. And it's all in THE WORDS.

They think they are so smart. Turns out, we're onto them.

[Just Me]

28. Failure to appear IS a failure to pass,...

,...of course, this bunch of mincers are disciplined and "decisive" deceivers,...the best of the best sociopathic types.

[livetohike]

5. They aren't going to admit it no matter what it is

if it reflects badly on Bush. Just another staged event.

[displacedtexan]

2. Being stripped of flight status is pretty serious disciplinary action...

to any real pilot, that is!

[Inland]

14. Unless you were figuring to go AWOL permanently

I am sure Bush was SO disappointed!

[ewagner]

3. Bluffing

becasue they are sure that nobody can prove otherwise.

[blm]

6. "never FAILED a physical" How cleverly worded. You didn't SHOW UP for the

physical, George.

Your spinmeisters think they are being clever by saying you never FAILED your physical. George Bush, president of the Stupid People who are easily conned by BushInc wordgames.

They really do insult their supporters when they do shit like this. They COUNT on their lack of comprehension ability.

[KansDem]

7. Right! I've never failed my state's bar exam...but then,

I've never taken it. I'm not a lawyer.

You need to "read between the lines" when it comes to the Bushistas!!!

[Eye and Monkey]

8. WH left one out - Bush never LEARNED discipline in the Guard.

Or anywhere else for that matter. Doesn't know the meaning of the term "self-discipline".

But he thinks he's covered, now that he's a "disciple".

[pinniped]

9. Of course Jr. Asshole* didn't ask for help. Sr. Asshole* had the juice.

We all know he was diapered all throughout his miserable life.

[Inland]

15. And when you are really powerful, you don't have to ask twice

once people know that the fix is in, everyone cooperates whether Bush personally/threatened asked them or not.

[drscm]

30. Of course he never asked for help. He was too stoned or drunk

to ask for it. Daddy had to do it for him.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

10. How many times can they sidestep the actual questions?

[LizW]

17. Don't you love it?

By so artfully wording the "denials" they let us know exactly what the truth is.

[fob]

11. Sounds like a fuck up to me, because since they admit he was grounded

he sure as hell SHOULD have taken part in SOME sort of disciplinary action! Oh, Mr Rather, you can reveal the rest of the story now...

[leetrisck]

12. Soldiers are not being charged with desertion

for the same thing bush did - not showing up

[Gregorian]

13. And he was elected president, by the people, too.

Something smells. It's coming from the White House.

[reprobate]

19. He was elected? I beg your pardon. elected by a 5-3 vote of USSC

Where did you get the idea that bush was elected? He is in office solely because the republicans own the majority in the United States Extreme Court, which stopped the recount in fla. And lets not forget the mob of repug congressional aides who attacked the miami election supervisers and intimidated them into canceling the recount.

Clearly and plainly, the United States experienced a coup de tat at the end of 2000. Most of the rest of the world knows it. Just Americans are ignorent of what really happeded.

[Gregorian]

26. Sarcasm.

Didn't think anyone around here needed to be told. Why would I be at DU if I thought Little Boy Bush the flim flam man had been elected. I'd be out partying and full of glee that my country was right on course. Now when those thugs stormed the recount room, I was a different man. I actually thought everything was going fine. Thanks to the Chimp's administration, we are all awake and alert.
Even my 80 year old dad is wearing his "No Bush" lapel pin as he travels through London.

[0007]

33. You didn't fool me with your jokey eyes!

[Kagemusha]

16. This is an amazingly crafted response.

Wow, all the things they're secretly admitting to here, by simply not denying them specifically while denying only what they can call technically true.

Wow.

You're smart people! Study this, read between the lines. They really shot themselves in the foot long-term here.

[grannylib]

20. Oh my, how very transparent! One can't 'fail' what one never attempted;

* himself didn't ask for preferential treatment (his daddy or one of his surrogates did the dirty work, just as is happening now during the campaign) and if he was NOT disciplined, that is NOT evidence of lack of need for same - just further evidence of the preferential treatment!

What shameless whores.

And what about that document that the WH released some time ago that purported to show that * had earned X number of points during the aWol period (but the document had no name, no year, and was from a disciplinary unit other than *'s TANG unit)?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

21. Playing semantics are we?

[Rose Siding]

22. Yep. NO ONE accused him of anything corresponding to those answers

*No one suggested he failed a physical, just that he refused to take one.

*No one accused him of being disciplined *by the Guard* (whether he should have been or not)

*No one said he asked for special treatment. He got it. He didn't deserve it and he should have been denied a discharge according to the behavior with which he's been accused.

[truthisfreedom]

24. Kerry can use this. read this article about 30% being AWOL right now!

Kerry needs to point out that the example for this, the precedent, was set by mr. bush himself, who refused to show up for duty with the guard as well.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-awol29sep29,1,2008958.story?coll=la-headlines-world

THE CONFLICT IN IRAQ
Emergency Reservists Slow to Heed Call

From Reuters


WASHINGTON — Thirty percent of former U.S. soldiers who have been called back to duty involuntarily to serve in Iraq and Afghanistan have failed to report on time, and eight have been declared AWOL, the Army said Tuesday.

The Individual Ready Reserve is a seldom-tapped personnel pool made up of 111,000 people who have completed their voluntary Army service and returned to civilian life but remain eligible to be mobilized in a national emergency. Many left active duty years ago...

<snip>

[Junkdrawer]

25. Having made sure no one will dare call him on his lie, he lied.

What a surprise.

[drscm]

29. Wow! He was even perfect back then. I knew God was on his side! eom

[wicket]

31. LIARS!!!!

[TacticalPeek]

32. Depends on the meaning of failure.

:evilgrin:

And I agree with the headline: whatever Shrub got from the Guard, it wasn't discipline, despite that being the sine qua non of military service.

This from the WH on the day Amb. John Eisenhower, son of Ike, endorses Kerry. Bwaahahaha . . . poor things.

[WillyT]

34. Pete Yost 2000 Election - For What It's Worth !!!

The Associated Press Plays Dumb

Link: http://slate.msn.com/id/1005937/

Hmmm....

[olddad56]

35. This is humorous.

Be sure to actually "sing " the Beverly Hillbillies tune when you read
this, it's really hilarious.




Come and listen to my story 'bout a boy name Bush.
His IQ was zero and his head was up his tush.
He drank like a fish while he was drivin' all about.
But that didn't matter 'cuz his daddy bailed him out.

DUI, that is. Criminal record. Cover-up.

Well, the first thing you know little Georgie goes to Yale.
He can't spell his name but they never let him fail.
He spends all his time hangin' out with student folk.
And that's when he learns how to snort a line of coke.

Blow, that is. White gold. Nose candy.

The next thing you know there's a war in Vietnam.
Kin folks say, "George, stay at home with Mom."
Let the common people get maimed and scarred.
We'll buy you a spot in the Texas Air Guard.

Cushy, that is. Country clubs. Nose candy.

Twenty years later George gets a little bored.
He trades in the booze, says that Jesus is his Lord.
He said, "Now the White House is the place I wanna be."
So he called his daddy's friends and they called the GOP.

Gun owners, that is. Falwell. Jesse Helms.

Come November 7, the election ran late.
Kin folks said "Jeb, give the boy your state!"
"Don't let those colored folks get into the polls."
So they put up barricades so they couldn't punch their holes.

Chads, that is. Duval County. Miami-Dade.

Before the votes were counted five Supremes stepped in.
Told all the voters "Hey, we want George to win."
"Stop counting votes!" was their solemn invocation.
And that's how George finally got his coronation.

Rigged, that is. Illegitimate. No moral authority.

Y'all go vote now. Ya hear?

[AP]

36. Bush didn't ask his friends or family. His family asked their friends.

[despairing optimist]

38. What a sideshow. Swift boats, dubious documents, misleading assertions

At least Nero stayed in town while Rome burned.

The worst thing about this is the voters who don't care about the facts and will vote for him anyway. They're looking for outs, and the WH gladly supplies them.

If this campaign goes any lower, the whole country will be below sea level.

[struggle4progress]

39. Born with a little silver spoon ...

... up his nose ...

[sidpleasant]

40. I want to know ...

... what happened to the several hundred desperate guys on the Texas Air National Guard waiting list that Shrub vaulted over? Did any of them get drafted, and even worse, did any get killed in Viet Nam? Is there a name engraved on the Viet Nam Memorial that wouldn't have been there if Bush hadn't taken someone's TANG spot? Does the waiting list from 1968 exist anywhere or was it shredded along with other potentialy embarassing TANG documents?