Okla. Senate Hopeful Did Sterilizations (Guardian)

[bobthedrummer]

He's a Republican, he sounds like one of the Third Reich eugenicists.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4510903,00.html

[GainesT1958]

1. Apparently, Coburn's responses to this...

Now have his campaign in free-fall!

Go Carson!:kick:

BTW, any word on who Paul James (the "Gardner Guy") is supporting?

B-)

[tedoll78]

2. Let's recap, shall we?

Gians:
Colorado: looks good right now. Great minority turnout a bonus. (+1)
Alaska: citizens pissed about the gov pickin' his daughter. (+1)
Illinois: Obama! (+1)
Oklahoma: strangely, we're ahead and lookin' good. (+1)

Losses:
South Carolina: close, but probably no cigar. (-1)
Georgia: what can I say? (-1)

Toss-ups:
North Carolina: Bowles can defend Edwards' seat!
Louisiana: we've never directly elected a Republican to the US Senate. Cool runoff system.

We might have a shot at this.. imagine Kerry court appointees having an easier time. Well.. just a bit easier. If the GOP wants to filibuster, we could shut-down the Senate. And we'd have the bully pulpit of incumbency..

[arcos]

5. Florida is supposed to be a toss-up too... n/t

[bobthedrummer]

11. Russ Feingold will be re-elected here in Wisconsin.

The polls are meaningless.

[short bus president]

27. RE: NC and Bowles

Erskine better get his ads on the air REAL FSCING QUICK! The guy running against him, Richard Burr (Asshat, NC) has had ads up for months now. The only image of Erskine we've seen in central NC has been in Burr's ads, and it's not flattering. WTF is up with this? Supposedly Bowles has Burr beat on campaign money, but he's not apent a shiny nickel of it here. Erskine better get his ass in gear, or he's gonna get Burred the same way he got Doled two years ago. His total silence thus far in the campaign is just inexcusable.

[JCMach1]

32. Last poll I saw had Bowles up pretty good...

[David Zephyr]

3. How Very Creepy! Yuk.

A very creepy man.

[aquart]

4. Why is this in a British paper? Is it in any of ours?

[bobthedrummer]

6. I've given up on most US media-it must be getting coverage in Oklahoma

but not nationally.
This is sickening, but not unexpected.

Btw, Tommy Thompson is great pals with the eugenicist Charles Murray (co-author of "The Bell Curve"). Thompson hired Murray to work on welfare reform in Wisconsin, the result was Wisconsin Works/W2 which has become the federal model.

It's just too similar to the Third Reich living organism ideology imo.

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. It's in several American papers

but not all of them. A Google search shows it in the San Francisco Chronicle, (South Carolina) State, San Jose Mercury News, Miami Herald, Wichita Eagle, and Philadephia Inquirer.

[plcdude]

23. there are many

here in OK that have no idea about this and have not read or seenit in the predominately right wing media of Oklahoma. It needs to hit the light of day here and that has not happened yet. The Carson staff told me that they didn't even know about it until the victim came forward. They are as yet still hesitant to promote it. We'll see.

[bobthedrummer]

24. So a handful of US newspapers and the UK run this, but the people in

Oklahoma, the voters, aren't hearing about it-I was wrong in my assumption that the local press would be doing their job.

Sad.

Let's change that silence about this Republican eugenicist creep's story.

[seemslikeadream]

7. Hitler's debt to America

As America's eugenics movement gathered pace, it inspired a host of imitators. In France, Belgium, Sweden, England and elsewhere in Europe, cliques of eugenicists did their best to introduce eugenic principles into national life; they could always point to recent precedents established in the United States. Germany was no exception. From the turn of the century, German eugenicists formed academic and personal relationships with the American eugenics establishment, in particular with Charles Davenport, the pioneering founder of the Eugenics Record Office on Long Island, New York, which was backed by the Harriman railway fortune. A number of other charitable American bodies generously funded German race biology with hundreds of thousands of dollars, even after the depression had taken hold.

....

One such agitator was a disgruntled corporal in the German army. In 1924, he was serving time in prison for mob action. While there, he spent his time poring over eugenic textbooks, which extensively quoted Davenport, Popenoe and other American ethnological stalwarts. And he closely followed the writings of Leon Whitney, president of the American Eugenics Society, and Madison Grant, who extolled the Nordic race and bemoaned its "corruption" by Jews, Negroes, Slavs and others who did not possess blond hair and blue eyes. The young German corporal even wrote one of them fan mail.

In The Passing of the Great Race, Grant wrote: "Mistaken regard for what are believed to be divine laws and a sentimental belief in the sanctity of human life tend to prevent both the elimination of defective infants and the sterilisation of such adults as are themselves of no value to the community. The laws of nature require the obliteration of the unfit and human life is valuable only when it is of use to the community or race."

One day in the early 1930s, Whitney visited Grant to show off a letter he had just received from Germany, written by the corporal, now out of prison and rising in the German political scene. Grant could only smile. He pulled out his own letter. It was from the same German, thanking Grant for writing The Passing of the Great Race. The fan letter called Grant's book "his Bible". The man who sent those letters was Adolf Hitler.

....

Mein Kampf also displayed a familiarity with the recently passed US National Origins Act, which called for eugenic quotas. "There is today one state in which at least weak beginnings toward a better conception are noticeable. Of course, it is not our model German Republic, but , in which an effort is made to consult reason at least partially. By refusing immigrants on principle to elements in poor health, by simply excluding certain races from naturalisation, it professes in slow beginnings a view that is peculiar to the People's State."

....

This was particularly true of California's eugenicists, who led the nation in sterilisation and provided the most scientific support for Hitler's regime. In 1934, as Germany's sterilisations were accelerating beyond 5,000 per month, the California eugenic leader and immigration activist CM Goethe was ebullient in congratulating ES Gosney of the San Diego-based Human Betterment Foundation for his impact on Hitler's work. Upon his return in 1934 from a eugenic fact-finding mission in Germany, Goethe wrote Gosney a letter of praise. The foundation was so proud of Goethe's letter that they reprinted it in their 1935 annual report.
more
http://books.guardian.co.uk/extracts/story/0,6761,1142317,00.html

[bobthedrummer]

10. The "life unworthy of life" conceptual framework was imported from US

to Germany.

Yep.

on edit: By coincidence, I'm reading Claudia Koonz's "The Nazi Conscience", she does a masterful job in detailing how racial popularizers developed the infrastructure and rationale for genocide, seemslikeadream.

[tom_paine]

22. I'll bet it was similar to the Bushevik "Think-Tank" propaganda structure

Wasn't it?

[seemslikeadream]

29. "they knew enough to know it was better not to know."

The very long shadow of the Holocaust, bobthedrummer

Rwanda 800,00


Congo 3.5 million
http://www.photoza.co.za/GUY%2011%20Bella%20Vista,%20Luanda,%20Angola,%202001.jpg

Bosnia 300,000


Sudan 300,00


Cambodia 1.5 - 2 million


Ukrain 7 - 10 million

[AngryAmish]

15. The founder of Planned Parenthood was a big time eugenicist.

[Rose Siding]

8. Coburn endorsed Alan Keyes in his pres run

I just learned that today in a fundraising e-mail from a Senator- maybe Durbin.

[bobthedrummer]

9. Why am I not surprised to hear that?

[TahitiNut]

12. That's the very essence of "anti-choice" fascism.

When the State is given jurisdiction over reproduction, as in Roe v. Wade, then the State has the same power in forcing an abortion that it does in prohibiting one. Yes, Roe v. Wade is flawed in that respect, imho. It let's the State camel's nose into the reproductive tent. In deciding Roe v. Wade, the USSC accepted the premise that the State had a legitimate "interest" in a fetus. A woman's womb (indeed, any person's body) must be regarded as her sovereign "territory" wholly under her sole and inalienable control - even more even than the territory of any sovereign nation. (But we're seeing how our outlaw fascist government doesn't even respect that autonomy.)

In Nazi Germany, abortion was strictly prohibited, as “Aryan” women were to reproduce to increase the “master race”. Abortion was declared an act against the state; the death penalty was introduced in 1943.

Under the previous regime, the Weimar Republic, birth control information had been widely disseminated. In 1933, birth control centres were closed and the advertising of contraceptives stopped. Women were encouraged not to work and financial incentives were introduced to encourage childbearing. Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister for Hitler, made the following claim about women’s proper role:

“The mission of woman is to be beautiful and to bring children into the world. This is not at all as rude and unmodern as it sounds. The female bird pretties herself for her mate and hatches the eggs for him. In exchange, the mate takes care of gathering the food and stands guard and wards off the enemy.”

In contrast, Jewish women were forced to have abortions; both abortion and sterilization were used by the state against groups which it considered racially undesirable.

http://www.cbctrust.com/abortion.html#11

[bobthedrummer]

13. Good point of outlaw/law there, TahitiNut-thanks!

:hi:

[bobthedrummer]

14. Family values=no family for you, as per Dr. Coburn.

:puke::mad::argh:

[LiviaOlivia]

16. From 1997

Lawmaker Criticizes "Schindler's List"
Airing Wednesday, February 26, 1997

WASHINGTON (Reuter) - A Republican member of Congress Tuesday criticized NBC television's showing of the Holocaust movie "Schindler's List," saying its airing during Sunday family time should outrage parents.

Rep. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, was quoted in a release put out by his office as saying the airing of the highly acclaimed film took network television "to an all-time low, with full frontal nudity, violence and profanity being shown in our homes."

<snip>

Coburn, co-chairman of the Congressional Family Caucus, said that while the film was given a rating for mature adult audiences, "the fact that it aired on public television on a Sunday evening during a family time should outrage parents and decent-minded individuals everywhere."

He added: "I cringe when I realize that there were children all across this nation watching this program. They were exposed to the violence of multiple gunshot head wounds, vile language, full frontal nudity and irresponsible sexual activity. It simply should not have been allowed on public television." Coburn said the airing of the movie demonstrated that the new TV rating system "only encourages more sex and violence."

<snip>


http://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/schindler-on-tv.html - -

[arikara]

17. It doesn't say in the article

other than that young women were poor, what do you think the odds are that they weren't white either.

[bobthedrummer]

21. I'd give that a high probability, arikara, wouldn't you?

[fujiyama]

19. Carson may not be perfect

but I'd urge OK DUers to hold their nose and not let this guy in the senate. This guy is obviously insane...

They should just go ahead and change their name to the fascist party.

[Shallah Kali]

20. I would think this would be the political kiss of death for him

The RW would attack any democrat who sterilized any woman by her choice and doubly so if against her will but then they seem more taken with form rather than substance.

BTW DailyKos has link to more info including the woman's hospital forms and court deposition:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/22/112441/371

[NorthernSpy]

25. what do mutilators deserve?

I believe that this Coburn person has declared publicly that people who perform abortions deserve to be executed.

To sterilize a person without her consent is to commit mutilation. He mutilated that woman. What does he deserve?


Mary

[bobthedrummer]

28. He doesn't deserve any votes to be a US Senator from Oklahoma,

NorthernSpy-not one.

[AlCzervik]

26. this is horrible and sick

i hope they have gone through his file and contacted these woman that he's operated on. This guy needs to jailed.

[noonwitch]

30. He probably had to tie off the fallopian tube involved, but to do the

other one without consent is beyond belief.

[AlCzervik]

31. never mind all of the others he's done

i wonder how many of these woman even knew what he was doing to them.