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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:51 AM
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Does US law mute voices of churches?(Rep. Jones(R-NC) bill sponsor)
Religion is striking a high profile in the 2004 campaign. But there are those eager to see it take on a much larger role - both now and in the future.

More than 130 members of the US House of Representatives want to amend the law that prohibits partisan activity - such as political rallies, fundraisers, distribution of political literature, and direct endorsements from the pulpit - by pastors and houses of worship. They hope to do this by inserting a provision into a bill that is already before a House-Senate conference committee - thus avoiding public debate or votes in either body.


Supporters say the provision is needed to restore free speech to religious leaders. Barring political endorsements from the pulpit curtails the First Amendment rights of pastors, they say.

But opponents argue that it would turn houses of worship into campaign vehicles and possibly reshape the America's religious and political landscapes in harmful ways. They worry that political endorsements could divide churches, lead to reconfiguring memberships along political lines, adulterate their spiritual purpose and prophetic role as societal consciences, and even perhaps turn their coffers into unregulated channels for campaign financing.

"Nothing is more important than our spiritual leaders having the right to name candidates who stand for protecting morality," says Rep. Walter Jones (R) of North Carolina, the bill's sponsor. The legislation would permit political speech or "presentations" during services or other church-sponsored gatherings.

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dsewell Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:53 AM
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1. Sure, let them endorse candidates
... and remove their tax-exempt status. Sounds like a fair exchange to me. They get to rant, we get some revenue.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:00 AM
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2. Will these bozos cry foul when real spiritual leaders call tax cuts for
the wealthy a form of looting? And what about the old Hebrew Jubilee year, when those who had debts had them wiped away by the debtors every 7 years? Can you see the credit card industry supporting that?
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:03 AM
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3. Why we need separation of church and state
Democracy will not survive long where a large portion of the electorate is told (and believes) that voting for the wrong candidate will result in eternal punishment in hell, and where political decisions are based on the triumph of an uncompromising religious ideology.

Allowing churches to meddle in electoral politics will be the end of the electoral system. We will be ruled by clerics, not by the votes of an informed electorate.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:08 AM
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4. No, DBoon, I disagree.
DBoon wrote: "Democracy will not survive long where a large portion of the electorate is told (and believes) that voting for the wrong candidate will result in eternal punishment in hell, and where political decisions are based on the triumph of an uncompromising religious ideology."

I think democracy will not flourish when some people can't make speeches for/against some candidates or issues.

What are we afraid of? Free speech for pastors?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:17 AM
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5. No.. we're "afraid" of churches becoming an arm of the GOP.
If churches want to push a political candidate, great.. they can pay taxes. If they want to enrich people's spiritual lives, they don't pay taxes. I guess you have no concept of how churches would be manipulated, created, and destroyed by the neocons.. should this happen. I'm tired of religion interfering in my life as it is.
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