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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 10:21 PM
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Simon Mann's new 'home' is a hell-hole
By Basildon Peta and Peta Thornycroft

A tiny lice-infested room in which he can hardly stretch both his arms without crunching his fingers against the hard concrete walls.

A tiny room with no proper ventilation to allow him fresh air or light to read at any time of day. A tiny room in which there is no toilet but a small bucket for relieving himself. A small bucket that goes uncollected by prison guards for weeks or even months.

A tiny room in which a baby cot can hardly fit. A tiny room in which he will sleep on a hard concrete floor with no blankets. A tiny room in which he may be kept naked during his first years of imprisonment.

http://iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=68&art_id=vn20040911091819888C602664

Save four more rooms for aWol Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 10:33 PM
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1. Oooo....That's harsh, but if it will stop all the warmongers,
neo-cons, media whores and greedy corporate bastards, I'm all for it.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 12:49 AM
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3. so much...
for human rights...
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 03:54 PM
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6. Human rights are for human beings.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 12:27 AM
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2. Until I clicked on the link, I thought this was Guantanomo Bay
Or Abu Ghraib.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:26 AM
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4. Karma can be a ruthless bitch, eh?
Especially when you have a debt as large as Mann's.

Enjoy your stay, Simon.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 04:05 AM
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5. and maybe Thatcher
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Sideways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 04:13 PM
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7. Poor Poor Simple Simon
Will Sir Mark be joining you soon? This fucking bunch of murdering lying cheap fucking scoundrels deserve less. Kill the fucking bastards. What a load of pants.
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Jack The Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 04:17 PM
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8. If only the players behind this were to receive this fate...
We know the type, the George Bushes of the world. They never see prison, but the lower level fools who cast their lots with them inevitably end up in this situation.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 05:02 PM
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9. This is no time to be shy
ADDRESS OF MICHAEL C. RUPPERT
FOR THE COMMONWEALTH CLUB – SAN FRANCISCO
TUESDAY AUGUST 31, 2004

THIS IS NOT A TIME WHEN MEN AND WOMEN OF GOOD CONSCIENCE
CAN AFFORD TO BE POLITCALLY CORRECT OR BE GUIDED BY ANYTHING
EXCEPT A WILLINGNESS TO DISCARD EVERY “CHERISHED” BELIEF OR
OPINION WHICH STANDS IN THE WAY OF AN ACCURATE AND FEARLESS
APPRAISAL OF THE WORLD AROUND US.


THE 9/11 ATTACKS WERE THE RESULT OF DELIBERATE PLANNING AND
ORCHESTRATED EFFORTS BY IDENTIFIABLE LEADERS WITHIN THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT, AND THE ENERGY AND FINANCIAL SECTORS, TO SEE A
PEARL HARBOR-LIKE ATTACK WHICH WOULD PROVIDE THE AMERICAN
EMPIRE WITH A PRETEXT FOR WAR, INVASION AND THE SEQUENTIAL
CONFISCATION OF OIL AND NATURAL GAS RESERVES, OR THE KEY
TRANSPORTATION ROUTES THROUGH WHICH THEY PASS. 9-11 WAS A
PREMEDITATED MURDER AND IN MY BOOK, AND HERE TONIGHT, I WILL
NAME SOME OF THE SUSPECTS WHO COMMITTED THE CRIME. IN MY
BOOK I WILL SHOW YOU OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE OF THEIR GUILT
WHICH I WOULD BE PROUD AND CONFIDENT TO PLACE EITHER BEFORE
A DISTRICT ATTORNEY OR A JURY.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/PDF/Commonwealth.pdf

http://WWW.FROMTHEWILDERNESS.COM/
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 06:31 PM
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14. Give both sides the guns and let them committ the genocide
and we'll decide what to do with the oil.

International arms trade $800 billion annually - largest business in the world.


Twice the second placed - illegal sale of drugs $400 billion a year


82 armed conflicts between 1989-1999 - 79 took place within national borders - arms not needed for self defense.


Reality is most arms are used on ordinary people by forces in the government or close to it.


159 wars fought since WWII - 9 out of 10 in developing world - more than 20 million people - were civilians.


War brings starvation - Biafra, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, Mozambique, Chad, Sudan, Liberia and Somalia.


Until there is a radical reassessment of the arms trade and its consequences, millions more will be directly or indirectly killed by this lethal business.


The bottom line is that there is a lot of money to be made in weapons, and this motivates arms manufacturing.


To add to high profit margins, all arms manufactures are heavily subsidised and protected by their governments.


Free trade agreements - nearly always exempt from military spending


Industrialised countries will always be able to subsidise their corporations through defense contracts and grants for weapons research.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 05:09 PM
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10. Hell Hole! Mr. Mann and your friend Mr. Thatcher
buying helicopters to guard your mines in Sudan, try this.

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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 05:20 PM
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11. Any background links for those of us not familiar with Mann?
IMO, this prison should be shut down if it's half as bad as the article describes, because there is no reason for any human to be treated like that. Still, I'm curious to know who this guy is, and why you all think he's evil enough to justify setting aside basically everything we on the left are supposed to stand for, just for a little petty revenge.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 05:24 PM
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12. Nonsense. As a mercenary, Mr. Mann has occupational hazards
Edited on Mon Sep-13-04 05:28 PM by DemsUnite
Rotting in a prison like this, is one of them.

He's lucky he wasn't shot. (Or worse.) Plotting to violently overthrow a government is a traitorous offense. And this episode is hardly his first. His connections spared him from the fate most of us would have suffered. In other words, he got off light.

(edited for clarity)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 05:29 PM
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13. Here some for you Xithras
Edited on Mon Sep-13-04 05:36 PM by seemslikeadream
Threads on Equatorial Guinea


Thatcher: Spain 'secretly backed coup by sending warships'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thatcher case twist as list of alleged coup backers vanishes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Mark Thatcher: The money trail
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Financiers conspired to overthrow oil-flush African government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Scorpions say have more info on Equatorial Guinea coup
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Exiled leader in Spain denies any link to coup attempt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Bank with close ties to Bush administration engulfed in scandal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
NEW details of Thatcher coup plot: London Evening Standard
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Margaret Thatcher's Son Released on Coup Plot Charges (Update2)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Mark Thatcher held over coup plot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
BBC News: Thatcher charged
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
'Petroleum lures dogs of war to Africa'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Terrorist Stocks?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Du Toit admits meeting Thatcher
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
SEC probes Marathon Oil payments in Equitorial Guinea (and HQ burns down)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
WaPo: Allbritton Loses Riggs Bank (front page, day 3)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

FOR ALL WORKING LINKS PLEASE GO HERE
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=9558&mesg_id=18254&page=

actually this whole thread will explain alot about the DOGS OF WAR
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