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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:49 AM
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W for war but eager to avoid it, Prof recalls --NY Daily News 9/10/04
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 09:53 AM by henslee
President Bush's former Harvard business school prof says his ex- student supported the Vietnam War but wanted somebody else to fight it....

(on edit, found link!)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/230745p-198181c.html
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:51 AM
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1. OK, how will Rove-r et al try to discredit Tsurumi?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:53 AM
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2. intellectual elite
looking down his nose at the Texas Cowboy.

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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:21 AM
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8. *lol* Yeah, a 'cowboy' from a blue-blood, east-coast, patrician, multi-
millionaire family, distant cousin to Queen Elizabeth II, educated at Yale, blah blah blah...it would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
They tag K/E as "billionaire and millionaire" as though Chimpy/Cheney-the-Dick WEREN'T!!!
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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 02:11 PM
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32. He's Japanese
I'm sure that will play into their attack on him, racist pricks that they are.
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K. F. Gibbons Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:53 AM
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3. This will have no effect unless this professor goes on T.V.
The vast majority of people don't read newspapers.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:22 AM
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9. ROFL, only 3% of the population watch the all news cable shows...
more than 3% read newspapers.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:01 AM
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4. Just like the Hitler...republican youth at the RNC...
If you recall, that seemed to be the mantra of the repuke youth at the convention.
Paraphrasing some little freep creep, "I think I would join if there is another 9/11 type of thing, but right now I think I have more important work to do here."

My answer: how many god damn 9/11's do these fucking cowards need? Perhaps if they had an appointed prez that actually fought the war on terror, rather than going after his own personal family grudges, there would be support for his asinine quests...LOL Fuckers. Stupid stupid fuckers...
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:18 AM
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7. "Fuckers. Stupid stupid fuckers..."
You're right, but it isn't the the pus-packed, little republican snots who are the "stupid fuckers"; it's the rest of us non-wealthy, work for a living, honest citizens who are "stupid fuckers". Some one once said that you get the government you deserve, well, this is ours. We are not who we think we are - just ask any republican youth that you run into. They are America, now. The rest of us? We just work for them...
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wildmanj Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:29 AM
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10. work
and i say amen to that
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Veggie Meathead Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:31 AM
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12. We are the wannabes and that is why we are stupid.So long as
we keep thinking we are one day going to become their equals, we will continue to deny that we are just working stiffs, most of us will live from paycheck to paycheck one medical disaster away from complete catastrophe.The TV commercials play a cruel joke on most of us and we while away our time on football and beer.We are sick.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:28 AM
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22. This is not the gov't I deserve, he was appointed...
Remember that? The gov't I deserve was crushed in lies. I protested.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:50 AM
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25. If you allow a government to continue in place
after it has illegally obtained power, then it is your government, at least through acquiescence. This government could care less if you "protest" - they aren't swayed by "focus groups", remember?
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:31 AM
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11. Another answer to "Right now I have more important work to do here"...
I thought they wanted to "get them over there before they come here."

-wildflower
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:05 AM
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19. You forgot the girl that wants to be a politician..
.. she was reported saying that she 'wants to have a career in poltiics, and wants to survive long enough to do that'. No lie.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:58 AM
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26. You can't fight a war against terror. It is idiotic to pretend you can.
The ONLY way to end terrorism is to quit messing with other peoples countries and resources.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:51 PM
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30. Completely agree with you
I can't believe the men in power don't get it.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 02:39 PM
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34. They get it, it's just that these wars aren't about terror or
Anything to do with terror. It's about making money. Oil is only part of it. Control the money you control the world
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:33 PM
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28. Much more important than the IRR guys ?
The guys (and women) who already did their time in the military.
Yeah, right... freepy youth are cowards, plain and simple.
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MurrayDelph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:44 PM
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29. Or, like the Hitler parody played by Moe Howard
"I will fight to the last drop of...



YOUR blood!"
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:10 AM
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5. Had a friend like that once
Every time we were out drinking, it was always "Let's you and him fight"
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:16 AM
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6. This should be followed up with a deeper interview!
If this guy's telling the truth, and I believe he is, having read his earlier comments, he needs exposure.

He'll need to be ready for an all out war on him and everything he cares about, but it sounds like he's game!

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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:38 AM
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15. He was quoted in an article I read and had more to say about shrub..
and... I just was his name mentioned since the Barnes interview..so..maybe he is making his presence known.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:12 AM
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21. Hey, why not? We're not doing anything!
It could be he didn't think he'd ever really be needed, since in a well-functioning world, something like Bush couldn't get beyond the barricades around the White House!

I think he should pitch in and lend a hand. Since the media obviously can't be torn away from the swift boat bogus story, while ignoring the true one, and can't be distracted from the new damaging story which will have to be totally discredited, in order to save the Thing in the White House maybe he'll have to interview himself, type it up and send it in to the Toledo Blade or some other paper which hasn't wrapped itself around Bush's ankles.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:35 AM
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13. Anyone who was over 18 years old in the late '60s, knows that
anyone who got into a National Guard unit, had some sort of 'political' pull. My rural Ohio high school had a total enrollment of about 250 (4 grades). Only one guy, son of 'rich' farmer with close Republican ties, ever got out of the draft and into the Guard.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:39 AM
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16. Yeah, you're right.
In my small town in Alabama, the local Guard was packed solid. Everyone else got that hollow-eyed look, and practiced their nervous smile, because they were 'Nam bound and knew it.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:47 PM
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27. The Guard was always a refuge from military service
even before Vietnam entered the picture. My ex-husband joined in 1958, right after high school graduation. The draft was still in effect from WWII, which meant a 2-yr. hitch if drafted, 4 years if one enlisted. Anyone who didn't want to be in the military could join the National Guard, which was easy to get into back then. My father, a WWII Army Air Corps veteran, denigrated the Guard as the "Boy Scouts."
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:38 AM
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14. This story has been out there quit a while
google Yoshi Tsurumi and you can find an interview he did on Majority Report, and other places this has been published.

It never goes anywhere, just like all the other bad stuff about Bush.
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:50 AM
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17. He just smirked...
I'd like to slap that smirk off his damn face.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 03:13 PM
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36. Sounds like he hasn't changed a bit, doesn't it?
Remember when he went to the White House correspondent's dinner and joked about not finding WMDs? Remember when he joked the week after 9/11 about his lucky trifecta?
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:51 AM
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18. Hey maybe....
this NY Daily News article is a forgery....quick anyone have a Word manual....hahaha...
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:28 AM
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23. The professor is really an android.
And the Kerry campaign is controlling him remotely, making him say all those bad words about the naked emperor. Just you wait!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:06 AM
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20. Bush also said to the same guy: "the poor are poor because they're lazy".
Here's more proof that Daddy got him in the guard, kept him from being thrown out and then got him out "honorably".
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:33 AM
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24. Bush the Cowardly War President
Smirky sounds like one of those obnoxious frat rats in "Animal House" - Needemyer, maybe. Dean Wormer, "Send Needemyer - he's a sneaky little shit just like you are."

:puke:
:puke:
:puke:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:51 PM
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31. Man, he is and always was a cowardly fuck, wasn't he?
More cowardly than Hitler, actually, who served his nation and didn;t shrink from the fight.

Just like Hitler, also a coward at heart, Bunnypants* has convinced his Subjects through Lying Propaganda, that he is courageous and noble.

But it isn't true.

the requistie majority of people will be fooled again, have been fooled again.

Just like in Hitler's day.
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 02:30 PM
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33. This prof was on television yesterday. That's were I first knew of it.
I don't know if it was Aaron Brown or the nightly news or what. But I saw the segment and listened to the guy talk about how Bush told him they pulled strings to get him in.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 03:09 PM
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35. Sounds like the Young Republicans they interviewed at the RNC
Maybe, it's part of the platform. "Republicans are dedicated to supporting wars, as long as other people have to fight them - over there. Not here."
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