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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 09:53 PM
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Warriors of the Right Take to the Streets
Edited on Fri Sep-03-04 09:55 PM by khephra
Warriors of the Right Take to the Streets

snip......

Union Square was a bust. There were some pacifists around, but they turned out to be real pacifists, not "shills for Islamo-Fascism," as the warriors had hoped. "You're Quakers?" Alan Lipton asked the man behind a table in the square. He sounded disappointed. "Quakers are legitimate pacifists, guys, not leftists. Let's move on."

snip......

The Protest Warriors are the right arm of agitprop, conservative counterinsurgents who, all week, have been shadowing the huge crowds and small gatherings that have demonstrated against the Republican National Convention and the war in Iraq.

snip...

"We're the true pacifists," said Mr. Lipton, a former film student with an agile mind and a taste for anti-liberal rhetoric. "The only way to truly defeat war is to have a world of strong, free nations."

Besides, said Mr. Lipton, wearing a black watch cap and a skull and crossbones T-shirt, it is cool to be conservative. "We're rebels. Freedom fighters," he said.


more..........

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/03/politics/campaign/03warriors.html

Ladies and Gentlemen, meet the Brownshirts of the GOP.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:01 PM
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1. Ah, the Hitler Youth.
So, they were looking to beat up leftists?

If they could read, I'd say give 'em a history of the Spanish Civil War. Tell the story of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, what happened to them in Spain, and what happened when they came home.

They have no idea what leftists are, do they?
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uhhuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:05 PM
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2. Of course
They show up to intimidate people and threaten AFTER the RNC is over.

I'd like to see them try this a couple days ago.
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Radius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:09 PM
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3. Congress shall make no law...
the ability to peacefully express an opinion is a core part of our society.

This can not be selective to political ideas on either side. If that happens we're all screwed..
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:29 PM
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4. re: "We're rebels. Freedom fighters," he said ...

"Like James Dean. Only whiter, and more starched. With massive institutional support." Lipton continued, "We're rebels against rebellion. Freedom fighters fighting for the freedom to be unfree. Free thinkers who dare to reject the stifling confines of logic and the intellect!" Then, in a final flourish, Lipton jumped atop a soapbox and loudly declared to all passers by, "Freedom is slavery! Ignorance is strength! War is peace! And we have ALWAYS been at war with Oceania! And may God bless George W. Bush!" And with that, the concept of irony was finally, and absolutely, pronounced dead.


MDN

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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:32 PM
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5. Clap, clap, clap, clap!
Edited on Fri Sep-03-04 11:03 PM by khephra
Great one!

:toast:

They remind me of that Conservative "punk rocker" with skull-face make-up that was on the Daily Show.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:59 PM
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6. thanks keph :)

That guy's image actually popped into my head while I was writing that, too ... even though I only saw about 10 seconds of the interview. Scary :)


MDN

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 08:39 AM
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21. Excellent take!!
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 11:34 PM
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7. The Protest Warriors are to the far Right of Free Republic, they actually
Edited on Fri Sep-03-04 11:59 PM by anarchy1999
put "freepers" to shame. The Protest Warriors need help, serious, serious help. As a matter of fact they are a terrorist threat to us all and we should report them every opportunity we get. They are out of control. They promote hate and violence and are very un-American. They call themselves Patriots, was this nation not founded upon Patriots speaking out against their "their government". Just what was the "Boston Tea Party" all about.

Hey Protest Warriors, GO GET A CLUE!

To the Protest Warriors, anyone protesting according to your doctrine, deserves mean punishment, and to be honest with you, I'm damn sick and tired of tolerating your belligerent attitudes. You guys and girls need to quit watching so many competitive sports and so much "Real TV". Go read a book or two and quit being so self absorbed with yourselves and who you might be meeting up with next. I'll be happy to post to link........

You Protest Warrior lurking MF's need to get a life and get educated about what is really happening in this country. You are playing right into "their hands". Good Job. Do you really believe Halliburton contract truck drivers should be making more than our own men that are serving out of the Guard? Do you like hearing about how miserably our military men are suffering while Halliburtion "contract workers" fail to deliver the most basic of needs?

You guys, you girls, you "Protest Warriors", you really need to search your souls and decide who you really support, is it our men and women in the military or is it the military/industrial complex at the sacrifice of the men and women you say you support. In addition, if you support them so much, go and join in with them!!!!!!! Go support them all in ways you have yet to imagine.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:12 AM
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10. Great post anarchy1999
:thumbsup:
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:29 AM
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12. "...they are a terrorist threat ..." Absolutely correct.
I highly recommend using the TIPS program against them. Turn them in. If this is the kind of world they want, let them live in it.
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:33 AM
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13. "...who you really support..." It's not the military.
These people are the same ones who greedily snatched up *'s $300 tax bribe. How do they think the government pays all those soldiers? They'd rather have the money themselves, than give it to some poor schmuck who's out there dying for their sorry asses.

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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 11:38 PM
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8. I have always thought that Bush has so divided this country that we
could end up with somekind of civil war between these brown shirt freaks and liberals.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 12:39 AM
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9. These are obviously some of the institutionalized folk Reagan set loose.
Sad. :eyes:
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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:19 AM
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11. The word 'warior' is saced
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 12:30 AM
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27. i agree
and wasn't the term 'freedom fighter' co-opted by the "terrorists"? it is such a misused term.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 02:06 AM
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14. Protest Wormers are a joke, their site got hacked big time
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 02:15 AM by joefree1
The two founders address (they live together) and their phone numbers (mobile and land lines) plus the e-mail addresses of all their members have been distributed across the Internet far and wide. And that ain't all. I kinda feel sorry for them after I read all that had happen to them.

Don't believe me? Google "Protest Warriors" and hacked or hackers. And then check out "Protest Warriors Exposed" at:
http://www.rocknrev.com/pw/protestwarrior.html

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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 02:55 AM
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15. If the "Protest Warriors" weren't such true pacifists, perhaps they could
join the military. I mean, what with being such supporters of our pResident's policies and such.

They want a world of strong, free nations and won't lift a finger to help us out in the armed struggle abroad... can you say Girly-men?
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demoman123 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 03:06 AM
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16. Here is a link to their asshole website:
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 03:11 AM
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17. They call themselves "warriors"...
yet they aren't in Iraq.

Chickenhawks.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 03:57 AM
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18. ROFL! "Protest Weenies" got pwned on Sept. 2
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 03:59 AM by 0rganism
From http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/114665/index.php

Protest Warriors – Calisthenics for Anti-Fascists
by Anti-Fascist 02 Sep 2004


From the Protest Warrior messageboard:

“I just got off the phone with Kim, the Atlanta PW leader in New York. There were around 100 Protest Warriors out today... 7 groups of 15 from what I understand. And from what I heard, things were getting so violent with the anarchists, that police were pulling PWer's out to let them flee the marches. Kim was shaken up quite a bit so I didn't keep her long... they'll be infiltrating at more points, just staying away from the anarchists.”

-Georgia Tech University chapter leader RyanR

During United for Peace and Justice's 450,000 anti-war/anti-Bush demonstration on Sunday, right-wing groups took the opportunity to counter-protest and show their support for the Republican Party. Most were smart enough to allow the police to protect them, standing well off the march route behind heavily guarded police barricades. One group, the Protest Warriors, was not satisfied standing on the side-lines and attempted to enter the march.

The Protest Warriors are a group of right-wingers who attempt to discredit the left and disrupt the organizing we do. They try to accomplish this by attending various demonstrations with their own vague signs that seem to echo the message of the protest, but in actuality, just ridicule the message that we are really trying to send. The Protest Warriors are not your traditional fascist group, but a home-grown variety of so-called patriotic Americans who take a hard-line stance in support of the Bush Administration and everything it stands for. They draw ideologically from such far-right wing nuts as Ann Coulter and Michael Savage, echoing many of their assertions. The Protest Warriors are not worth tracking or anything like that, but if they turn up at a demonstration you're at, be sure to confront them and get them out of there.

On three separate occasions, three different contingents of Protest Warriors entered the UFPJ march. Anti-fascists and other anti-war activists confronted the Protest Warriors each time they made it into the march.

People first encountered the Protest Warriors shortly after the march started. This initial group was penned in off the march route, so people continued in the march, thinking the only encounters with right-wingers would be verbal.

Soon after that, another contingent of the group entered the UFPJ march. They were immediately confronted, having many of their signs confiscated and destroyed. Most were surprised, not thinking that “peace protesters” would stand up to them. A few Protest Warriors attempted to get the signs back, and a large scuffle ensued. In turn, marchers turned up their level of militancy, and more signs and American flags were confiscated. In addition, several so-called “Warriors” ended up flat on their faces in the street. Finally, the Protest Warriors were escorted out of the march by the police.

Within several blocks, another group of Protest Warriors entered the march. Anti-fascists and anti-war activists were quick to surround them, arms linked, blocking them from marching. Most of their signs were confiscated, and people even got a hold of their bullhorn. The police were quicker to move in this time, pushing people away from the Protest Warriors, and once again escorting them out of the march.

Later, another group of Protest Warriors gathered on the sidewalk and seemed likely to enter the march. A large crowd gathered around them, yelling and stealing signs. At this point, police arrested two participants in the UFPJ march, one for allegedly stealing signs, and the other for supposedly trying to unarrest the first one.

All in all, things were successful. The Protest Warriors were not allowed to participate in the UFPJ march, and most of the crowd was supportive of the tactics used. People were cheering and clapping when the Protest Warriors were confronted, and helped to dispose of the signs as they were passed back in the crowd. Hopefully, the Protest Warriors and other right-wing groups will realize that they cannot pull stunts like this without serious consequences, and that their point of view is not one that is tolerated anywhere. Based on comments from the Protest Warriors on their messageboard, like the one at the beginning of this article, it seems like they definitely got the message.

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Of course, the "Protest Weenies" claimed to be the darlings of the NYPD, free provocateurs for hire...

http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/117428/index.php
http://forum.protestwarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=33354

Protest Warrior right wing group claims police offered to use them as instigators
by prozacrefugee 04 Sep 2004
From a post on their site, claims an undercover NYPD offered carte blance to PW and wished to use them as instigators. Could just be self-congratulation. Link
Don't know if this is trustworthy or if you guys care, but thought it should get out. Poster is claiming:

"A few of us decided it would be a cool idea to drag the french flag around and fly the american flag. We headed to union square and started some trouble. Some leftist saw my isreal america t shirt and noticed i was dragging the french flag concluding that i was a nazi. someone came up from behind me and started barking at this guy for being such a dumass. afterward he left in retreat and we were talking to this guy who i had first thought was a leftist but turns out he was an undercover cop. lol he asked us to come back the next night and start sh-- so they can make arrests. he said if we ever got caught doing something theyd cuff us, walk us a few blocks down and release us lol. the nypd was in love with us, one of the cops asked to step on the french flag as we walked by him, ahhh that was a night to remember. Very Happy"

------------------------

HAHAHAHA! The little dipshit damn near has an orgasm when the cop wanted to make a tool out of his pathetic ass. They're about as shallow as people can be.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 06:48 AM
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19. conservatives are boors, by their very nature...
cool to be conservative! that's like saying it's exciting to be asleep
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:24 AM
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20. I heard they're a put-on by the "Bumfights" guys
I've been trying to track down the source of that intel, but haven't gotten a reply yet. It's worth looking into though.

Tucker
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 08:53 AM
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22. "After picking up some chocolate chip cookies at the farmer's market..."
"...in Union Square, the Protest Warriors were on the way."

These guys sound like a satire of themselves.

Kudos to the Times for the tongue in cheek report.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 11:58 PM
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23. Kicking back up to the top, we are in Dallas and these guys are out of
control. Not only that, they are being supported by our favorite talk radio station 570am, KLIF (you all know the one, "Hate Radio"). We need help in Dallas, the fanatics are truly trying to take over. I see no difference between our fundamentalists and the Taliban. Sorry for asking for help, but we need it here in the heartland of "compassionate conservatism". To hell with the "swing states"!!

I Still Swear to my death Texas does not belong to the Bush Family Dynasty!!!! Never, Ever!! Stand up Texas and Take It Back!!!!!!
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 11:57 PM
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24. Have you made any contacts at the Houston indymedia site?
Might be worth putting the shout out there, too, if you want to get some counter-ops going.

http://houston.indymedia.org

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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 12:47 AM
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29. Here is a little gold mine we stumbled across.. The Protest Warrriors
in all their splendor.

http://www.theartoftheblog.com/the_art_of_the_blog/archives/001069.php

Dear DU'ers, please come and stand with us, from near and far.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 12:03 AM
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25. Republican mujahadeen
lol
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 12:28 AM
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26. "a skull and crossbones T-shirt,"
We call them neo-Nazis where I come from!
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 12:37 AM
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28. Yeay. Best way to have peace is to shoot everyone who disagrees with you.
n/t
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