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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:36 AM
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Washington Post IDs alleged Israeli Pentagon mole
From the liberal alternative to Drudge, http://rawstory.com

The FBI is investigating a mid-level Pentagon official who specializes in Iranian affairs for allegedly passing classified information to Israel, and arrests in the case could come as early as next week, officials at the Pentagon and other government agencies said last night.

The name of the person under investigation was not officially released, but two sources identified him as Larry Franklin. He was described as a desk officer in the Pentagon's Near East and South Asia Bureau, one of six regional policy sections. Franklin worked at the Defense Intelligence Agency before moving to the Pentagon's policy branch three years ago and is nearing retirement, the officials said. Franklin could not be located for comment last night.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and top Pentagon lawyers were told of the investigation some time ago.

One government official familiar with the investigation said it is not yet clear whether the case will rise to the level of espionage or end up involving lesser charges such as improper disclosure or mishandling of classified information.

Registration-restricted (at Post): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40004-2004Aug27.html

Non-restricted: http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=255
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:38 AM
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1. My guess...
Lesser IF anything at all. Noone connected with this regime is facing anything serious.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:39 AM
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2. Most of our governemnt works for Israel, but this guy is the fall guy, huh
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:41 AM
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3. the lone nut theory
am not sure if most of our government works for Israel though. I sometimes think most of our government works for themself.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:13 PM
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13. Take back that lie or BACK IT UP.
Show me where MONEY goes from the Israeli government TO the American representatives of our government or the government itself.

Give me chapter and verse of WHICH policies (all, some, none) are dictated by Israel and show how it's done.

Come on. You're so sure. PROVE IT.
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LivingInTheBubble Donating Member (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:30 PM
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18. money?
The person you are replying to didnt mention money, is there some money facts you would like to bring up?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:41 PM
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21. Forgive me, but how do YOU believe Israel rules our government?
Mind meld?

I appreciate the smarminess of your question, and I apologize for being behind the corruption curve. I'm sure YOU can tell me how it's done.

Or perhaps you have never once subjected your assumptions to a fact check?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:51 PM
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24. Still waiting for that evidence.
Guess I shouldn't hold my breath.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:13 PM
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30. From todays NYT:
"Nor was there immediate evidence of whether money had changed hands in exchange for classified information."

We'll have to wait for the trial to get the details.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:29 PM
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17. there is no merit in your assertion
this is the same as prejudicial people who say:

The media is controlled by the Jews
The banks are controlled by the Jews
etc etc etc

There is no validty in your statement, and it is inflametory
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:42 AM
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4. Now it's a mid-level Pentagon employee
and there's no mention of any connection to high-ranking Israel-lovers in the administration.

By Monday they'll have those dumbshits from Abu Ghraib on the carpet for this instead of anybody even remotely connected to Israel or the administration. :grr:

Gyre
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:14 PM
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14. Please elucidate your insinuation.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:43 AM
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5. Gosh, the NeoCons jumped
all over Clinton for his supposed China connection.
Here we have moles from both Israel *and* Iran in our administration.

Debacle accomplished!
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:44 AM
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6. Terra, terra, TERRA!!!
We have no time for protecting ourselves from foreign agents stealing state secrets! Only TERRA!

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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:49 AM
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7. Israel jumped on this like a chicken on a June bug!!!
When the story broke, it was "high level officials" and "appointees". And, of course, we all know that Wolfowitz, Perle and Feith all fit that description...and of course, they've all got MAJOR ties to Sharon's government.

But NOOOOOoooooooo! Now it's some no-name lower level dude that nobody would ever associate with the neocon cabal!

Quick work boys! Ya did it again!

:kick::kick::kick:
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eek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:51 AM
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9. If this is a year-old investigation
Why was the story broken last night?
I don't see any political expediency.

Am I missing something?

And not for nothing but mcGreevy's boyfriend was rumoured to be an Israeli mole, too.
What gives?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:29 PM
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16. Kerry is half Jewish.
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 12:52 PM by aquart
And without saying one word about Kerry, Democrats are reminded that you can't trust those sneaky Jews.

But the grandson of a Nazi banker and his fascist friends would never sink that low, would they?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 02:19 PM
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33. His Grandfather was Jewish, so doesn't that make him 1/4 and besides
Jewish heritiage is handed down through the Mother, isn't it? :shrug:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:49 PM
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23. Do you mean the Israeli press gave it headlines?
Is that what you mean?

A very non-specific statement. Could you perhaps clarify how one of your sentences logically follows the other?

WHO did quick work? How did they do it?

Prejudice is so mentally slovenly.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:16 PM
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31. "Prejudice is so mentally slovenly"
... so is attack-dog defensiveness. :eyes:
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:50 AM
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8. Thanks
Good website. And I appreciate you bringing some of your stories here. A lot of us don't have the time to DU and check other good websites.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 10:58 AM
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10. Money stolen from citizens is used for their agenda
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 10:59 AM by higher class
A guy named Franklin...
who has heard of him....
near retirement....

if he's a fall guy,
there is probably a deal between the neo-cons and Israel to go 50-50 on paying him a nice sum to plump his pension.

So will we congratulate the neo-cons on finding a fall guy?

Or is it too eary?

Please don't let this die in another obfuscational cleansing of Bush and Cheney and their cabal.

Let's just hope that there enough anti-neocons and anti-cabal in our country to expose them and get them out of there.

How does a person get through to the public about these distinctions and their crimes against us and Iraq?

If there is a God - she would lift up the entire nations of Iran and Syria and move them temporarily until this is over.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 11:28 AM
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11. Iran and Syria can protect themselves...
Americans won't go for another pre-emptive
strike, especially when the targets can hit back
hard.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:35 PM
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19. Now Israel is our equal in wealth?
As well as our ruler?

Higher Class, what kind of regimes are in place in Iran and Syria? How are the civil liberties going? The prisons? The rights of women?

When God goes to protect them, what's she gonna see?

And we wonder how come the fundies don't know they're being manipulated. Good grief.

Get a fucking atlas.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:56 PM
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32. "what kind of regimes are in place in Iran and Syria?"
What kind of regimes are in place in Burma and Equatorial Guinea? How are the civil liberties going? The prisons? The rights of women?
Why only concern for civil liberties in countries unfriendly to Israel?
Why is the US involved in "liberating" the oppressed women of Syria, Iraq and Iran while not caring a whit for the women of Africa or Asia?



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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:54 PM
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25. Could you be a little clearer about this stolen money trail?
Who is being paid by whom? For what? And how?

How was the money stolen? Who is responsible for it?

I just love slime in the afternoon.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:54 PM
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26. Could you be a little clearer about this stolen money trail?
Who is being paid by whom? For what? And how?

How was the money stolen? Who is responsible for it?

I just love slime in the afternoon.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 11:31 AM
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12. Very important and frightening tidbit of info:
<snip>

The FBI is investigating a mid-level Pentagon official who specializes in Iranian affairs...

<snip>
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:45 PM
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22. Ashcroft's FBI is investigating a civil servant?
Which naturally means the guy has done something.

Who else has been investigated by the FBI and Ashcroft's Justice Department? Just wondering.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:16 PM
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15. Karen Kwiatkowski was all over this in May.
Some key mistakes include the old AEI charge that I have something to do with LaRouche, that I didn’t know where the OSP offices were located, that I left the Pentagon because I felt others had gotten promotions and I didn’t, that I said Larry Franklin used his wheelchair-bound wife as a cover for gallivanting around the world on secret missions, and that I have a fringe ideology, among others. For the record, no on LaRouche, yes on the location of the OSP spaces, no on the promotion question (I never even stayed long enough to meet my first O-6 board), no on Larry Franklin and his wife and secret missions, and I’m not sure on the "fringe ideology." Rubin never really explains what fringe ideology he’s talking about.

I can only say with a high confidence that it isn’t the same fringe ideology embraced by the National Review and the American Enterprise Institute these days.

<http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:-ftA1cP_hkAJ:www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski75.html+Larry+Franklin+Karen+Kwiatkowski&hl=en>
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:37 PM
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20. How is she all over what she denies saying?
Just wondering.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:00 PM
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28. Not Sure what you mean. Karen's been exposing these guys for over a year.
According to his AEI C.V., he is an Iran and Iraq expert who spent two years with the Office of Secretary of Defense working Iran and Iraq issues. He also advised Mr. Jerry Bremer and the Coalition Provisional Authority. Let me get this straight. He was the advisor to the guy who invaded Iraq on false premises, and to the other guy who is running Iraq more than a year later. If it were I, I’m not sure I’d include that information on my résumé. Of course, it’s not his fault; he’s just a consultant.

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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:54 PM
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27. I found Larry Franklin's name mentioned on Al Jazeera.
I looked through all the other major news sites (CNN, MSNBC, ABC,CBS) and no mention yet of this guys name. I didn't check WP though. Interesting they actually mention the Office of Special Plans too.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:09 PM
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29. Here are two loooooong threads on Israeli spys and FBI investigations
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 01:10 PM by Dover
Here's one and it has the link to the first thread. This is hardly an isolated incident. This FBI sting has long legs, as you will see:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2273474
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 02:26 PM
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34. Juan Cole has good analysis of AIPAC
http://www.juancole.com

Saturday, August 28
Israeli Spy in Pentagon Linked to AIPAC
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 02:31 PM
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35. Exact same Washington post story
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