Russian Scientists Claim Discovery of Alien Spaceship Wreck in Siberia

[Beetwasher]

MOSCOW (AFP) - Russian scientists claim to have discovered the wreck of an alien device at the site of an unexplained explosion in Siberia almost a hundred years ago, the Interfax news agency reported.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1540&e=3&u=/afp/russia_space_meteorite

I think I'd wait for a bit more independent verification on this. The article is scant on details. *sniff* I smell a hoax. :shrug:

[soothsayer]

1. and never any damn pictures! n/t

[Armand04]

10. Background Info

Some background info about the original incident


Tunguska Incident
By Dave Hawksett


On 30 June 1908, 2,100 square kilometres (800 square miles) of forest were devastated by a mysterious fireball, which originated over a desolate region in Siberia. The night sky was lit by an eerie glow for days over a vast area. In western Europe, people were able to read newspapers at night without lights. Indications of the cause had been recorded on seismographs in Irkutsk, Siberia, which pointed to an earthquake 1,600 kilometres (1,000 miles) north of the city in a remote area called Tunguska.

It was not until 19 years after the explosion that Leonid Kulik, the founder of Russian meteorite science, organised the first scientific expedition to the site, spurred on by reports from Tungus nomads of fallen and burned trees. Suspecting the culprit to be a large meteorite, Kulik's expedition began a search in Tunguska for a large crater containing a huge meteorite, but all they found were millions of dead trees, lying flat and pointing in the same direction away from the original blast. Kulik followed the dead trees until he came to a low depression around a mile across. This was the epicentre of the blast.

More ...

http://faulkes1.astro.cf.ac.uk/projects/ftwou/solar_system/tunguska_incident.htm

[lovuian]

23. Well I for one believe that the UFO Mystery will be solved

and there is life on other planets :bounce:

How the people of the world will react will be interesting :bounce:

[jayfish]

24. I Agree.

Maybe they will come to rid us of our W'sMD. :nuke:

Jay

[GHOSTDANCER]

53. If I were alien I would'nt come here........

We can't even get along with other humans that have a differnet shade of skin. And we piss on all the rest of the living things.

And if weren't not busy Killing them or turning them into 21st century slaves were making fun of them.


"Gana la Verde" It just not another Most Extreme Elimination Challenge."
<http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/aptv_story.asp?category=1401&slug=TV%20Green%20Card>

[Sven77]

18. i want to believe

i for one, welcome our new alien overlords. :tinfoilhat:

[AngryAmish]

34. Freedom...Horrible Freedom!!!!

[drhilarius]

52. All hail the mighty carbon rod!

[Ripley]

2. If they really have it...why not show us a picture?

Too much Absolut.

[Almost_there]

40. I think they drink Stolichnaya...

Absolut is Swedish.. the Russians see UFO's after a few slugs of Stolichnaya...

[Barret]

42. Well

This IS russia... Hopefully they aren't going soviet and keeping it as secret as possible.

I suspect they may have radioed the news to someone... It seems pretty remote in cold as well area. It may take a while to get pictures back (assuming they even have a camera... not like they were expecting this probably).

Wait 48 hours.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

3. how do they know it belongs to aliens?

is there a return to owner tag on it?

[soleft]

4. Tunguska was the title of an XFiles episode

The subject being the crash landing of an alien craft in Russia, IIRC

[Leilani]

68. Send Mulder & Scully

to investigate!!!!

[Magleetis]

5. It would be cool

if this were true. That is a very big IF. This seems like a story you would see in Weekly World News not Yahoo.

[Terran]

6. Having a hard time believing

that the Russians would make this public, if they really had something that was obviously alien in origin.

[jayfish]

16. The Ruskies Seem To Be A Bit...

more open-minded when it comes to matters of the unexplained. At least from what I have seen and heard.

Jay

[Terran]

30. I agree with that, but

they also have a long history of being secretive about important national events. Which is what's surprising to me about this announcement. They find something utterly revolutionary, and just casually tell the whole world? It seems unlike them.

[Voice_of_Europe]

64. No control anymore

But maybe it is not "THEM" but just a little eager scientist telling it to the press.
Russia doesn't have the money and power anymore to control everything.

[nodictators]

27. OTOH, they would make it public if they wanted to boost tourism

Maybe they could have a two-for-one special: Stop in Scotland to see Nessie, and then on to Russia to see the crashed UFO.

History note: UFOs use to be called Flying Saucers. That's because some wise guys would toss an aluminum pie tin thru the air and photograph it, with some guys with a dumb-ass looks on their faces pointing at it.

Airbrush it, and palm it off as a photo of a UFO in the distance.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

72. I think it is a tourism ploy myself

Although I just read somewhere that the 1908 event left no crater? WTF!!?

[Barret]

43. Sounds like civilian scientists found it

and thus might not want to keep it secret. Who wants to bet the russian military is heading there at full speed?

Time for some satellite pictures...

[Voice_of_Europe]

62. Russia can't control the public

I think in Russia it's much easier to get something to a newspaper than in media controlled US. Russia is pretty chaotic and corrupt.

[InkAddict]

7. Black box found:

ET phone home....

[Joanne98]

8. But but but GAWD didn't say anything about aliens......

what would the faithful do? they might go staight into "mental breakdown" mode. it would be soooooo awful. :)

[aquart]

9. Love it. Don't believe it. But love it.

[lunarboy13]

11. They've already recovered several items...

Inside the "strange, alien device" were found several odd items: a human mask, a black-haired wig, a folder marked "Energy Task Force Meeting 2001", a parking ticket from the Dallas Police Department with the date Nov. 21, 1963, and several uncounted Florida ballots from the 2000 election.



Let the conspiracy theorists implode....

[revree]

12. THE OCTOBER SURPRISE!

Alien will come out and claim that ET's are all for Bush!!!

[Union Thug]

13. Wishful thinking - but wouldn't it be cool if it were true!!! /eom

[TX-RAT]

14. Seen a special years ago about this.

One thing i remember were thousands of unknown metal objects, that looked as though they were melted.

[Bandit]

29. Yes I saw the same show I believe

There were thousands or millions of tiny metal parts some were corkscrew shaped and none were natural. They also were rust free but not stainless steel.

[TX-RAT]

31. They explained it off as, remnants of the meteor.

[On the Road]

15. This is Pretty Funny

I believe this is taken from the following Pravda article:

Explorers find UFO fragments in Tunguska meteorite area

Members of the scientific expedition of the Siberian state foundation Tunguska Space Phenomenon say they have managed to uncover blocks of an extraterrestrial technical device. The space body, which was later called the Tunguska meteorite, fell down on Earth on June 30th 1908, 65 kilometers off the Vanavara settlement, the Evenkiya

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The press service of the Evenkiya republic administration reported the expedition worked in the western part of the region in the summer of the current year. The mission's itinerary was based on the results of the space footage analysis. Explorers believe they have discovered blocks of an extraterrestrial technical device, which crashed down on Earth on June 30th, 1908. In addition, expedition members found the so-called "deer" - the stone, which Tunguska eyewitnesses repeatedly mentioned in their stories. Explorers delivered a 50-kilogram piece of the stone to the city of Krasnoyarsk to be studied and analyzed.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/13705_tunguska.html

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Pravda's almost as bad as American tabloids these days (samples below). I'm just surprised the story made its way into Yahoo.



Of course, they sometimes redeem themselves:

[Aidoneus]

22. actually, this is Interfax

not Pravda..

[On the Road]

26. Ultimately, It's Probably All from the Same Source in Russian

Here's another similar article from an .ru site:

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/08/10/tunguska.shtml

and a link to the conference where this was announced:

http://olkhov.narod.ru/conf98.htm

[henslee]

17. update....photo just released...

[jayfish]

19. Looks Like They Had A Problem...

with their oxidation shielding, that would definitely explain the crash.

Jay

[giant_robot]

28. Update on the update....

a photo of the spacecraft and an occupant!

[htuttle]

45. OMG! Just don't open the trunk!

You don't want to see what's in there...

[Dem2theMax]

49. You all have me howling with laughter. And I KNOW who's in the trunk.

Jimmy Hoffa! THAT's where he's been all these years! :tinfoilhat:

[ellie]

20. I seem to remember

a story from Pravda in the 80s about an alien spaceship landing in Red Square. I don't remember any follow-up though.

[DEMonstate]

21. I discovered a 50-kilogram (110-pound) rock replacing my water line.

Who do I send it to for analysis?

[Minstrel Boy]

25. Oct 4, 1955: Senator Richard Russell sees a UFO in the Soviet Union.

Cribbed from Richard Dolan's excellent "UFOs and the National Security State," page 181:

"One of the key UFO sightings of the year involved US Senator Richard Russell (D-Georgia), head of the Senate Armed Services Committee, during a trip to the Soviet Union on October 4, 1955. Russell was on a Soviet train from Kiev and passing through the Transcaucusus region. He was accompanied by Armed Services Committee consultant Ruben Efron and Lt Col E.U. Hathaway. Shortly after 7 pm, Russell looked out his window to see a disc-shaped object slowly ascending vertically. Its outer surface revolved slowly to the right, and a spark or flame emanated from the bottom. It reached an altitude of about six thousand feet, then headed north at a very fast speed. Russell rushed over to tell his two companions. Hathaway looked quickly enough to see the UFO; Efron missed it. To everyone's astonishment, a second disc then appeared about two minutes later and performed exactly the same maneuver as the first. This time all three men saw it. A distraught Soviet trainman then closed the curtains of the car, and directed the three not to look outside.

"The report went past Blue Book to much higher levels.... Aviation reporter Tom Towers tried to get the details from Russell, but received no response. After Towers tried again, Russell replied on January 17, 1956: 'I have discussed this matter with the affected agencies of the government, and they are of the opinion that it is not wise to publicize this matter at this time.'

"The matter was classified Top Secret until 1959 and remained Secret until 1985 when Stanton Friedman was able to get it declassified following a FOIA request. Interview notes about the sighting stated: 'There were two lights toward the inside of the disc, which remained stationary as the outer surface went around.... The aircraft was round, resembling a flying saucer.'"

Anyone who wants a dispassionate look at the evidence, including evidence of cover-up, should pick up Dolan's book. Also, he has a blog that's worth checking out: http://keyholepublishing.com/index.html . Here's an excerpt from his latest essay, "The Real Wonderland":

"Another person I know – someone who is a fairly well-known celebrity in Western New York State – had a UFO sighting in May of 1980, just outside Syracuse. It was late afternoon on a sunny day. Driving with a friend, in the small town of Manlius, this person asked his companion if she could see the large object outside her window.

"She answered, 'I’m really glad you mentioned that, because I didn’t know what I was going to tell you.'

"According to this person (who also never reported his sighting to any organization), he and his companion got out of the car and watched what he described as 'right out of a Steven Spielberg movie.' It was a classic flying saucer. Silent, hovering over trees, 'as large as a football field.' It has rotating lights around the perimeter – red, green, and yellow, as he recalled. The object wasn’t doing anything – merely hovering silently and impossibly in broad daylight.

...

"The kicker of the story is this. He was sure that this would be on the T.V. news that night, and stayed up till 11 p.m., specifically to hear the much anticipated report about a massive UFO seen just outside Syracuse. But not only was there no story on any UFO, but it seemed to him as though the talking heads in Wonderland went out of their way to downplay anything odd at all. The new announcer actually said, 'another boring day in Syracuse.'

...

"In Wonderland, reality is upside down. Living in this world is like living on a nonstop LSD trip, in which the 'reality' we are being fed bears little to no resemblance to the actual experiences of people. In Wonderland, UFOs are imaginary."
http://keyholepublishing.com/The_Real_Wonderland.htm

I don't know about Tunguska. In fact, I rather doubt it. I'd think the area would have been picked clean by Soviet-era scientists, and a genuine discovery would promptly be declared a state secret. But I wonder if scoffers told Senator Russell and his companions they were seeing swamp gas, or Venus, or a weather balloon?

[daleo]

33. Interesting site, Minstrel Boy

I plan to give it another look when I have time, and try to run down the book. The author seems very credible. I liked his essay on the media.

[Cocoa]

32. wtf is that photo?

it says it's an AFP file photo. Someone at AFP has a weird sense of humor.

[seventhson]

35. I love this story

but is it the October Surprise???

Is Bush really a lizard people?

We all know Cheney is.....

[Minstrel Boy]

36. If Cheney's a shape-changing reptoid, I'll eat my

lunch.

On second thought, I think I'll drink it. :beer:

[Throckmorton]

37. We must dispatch Bat Boy at once!!!!

He will get to the truth, unless he is still missing in Afghanistan.

[niceperson]

38. how awesome

but so likely to be a hoax or accident

[allemand]

39. State funding for science must be very low in Russia

However, they still seem to have enough vodka in Siberia, judging from these comments:

"One scientist said based on his calculations, the mass of the space object headed for Earth in 1908 was nearly 1 billion tons. He believes the meteorite was blasted by the spaceship at an altitude of 10 kilometers to prevent the destruction of all humanity on the planet.

"I am fully confident and I can make an official statement that we were saved by some forces of a superior civilization," Yuri Lavbin said. "They exploded this enormous meteorite that headed towards us with enormous speed," he said. Now this great object that caused the meteorite to explode is found at last. We will continue our research, he said."

http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_3288.shtml

I am sure you can deduce all that from a "metallic block", before even testing its composition... This is serious science, indeed ! :eyes:

[havocmom]

41. Any evilDUers familiar with a song about 'aliens all wore business suits?

Would love to know who recorded it and how to get a copy. Would make a great theme for a documentary about the bush* malAdministration. Would also explain a great deal.

cue Twilight Zone music...
Picture, if you will, an intergalactic shopping channel, broadcasting to the furthest corners of the universe...

OK, starting bids for the little blue/green sphere on the outer edge of the Milky Way galaxy. Come on, you repugnant, resource gobbling alien hordes, who'll start the bidding? Do I hear 200 bazillion?...

'scuse me, time for my meds :shrug:

[EST]

44. I didn't know the National Enquirer had opened a branch in

Russia. Or was that the Washington Times?

[John_H]

46. This will get a least 150 posts. The new DU has it's priorities, after all

[jayfish]

47. Deity Forbid That We Should...

have any fun around here... sheesh. :evilfrown:

Jay

[MallRat]

48. Don't get on that ship!

The rest of the book? "To Serve Man"?

It's... it's a cookbook!

[Tight_rope]

50. "Alien Spaceship"?....Good now I have a way outta here.

[Snazzy]

51. Sure, a small UFO crash... bet they were Democrats

:hippie:

[Arcturus]

54. Update! Breaking news!

An ancient Aztec temple was discovered underneath the wreckage, which contains, among other things, skeletons with the rib cages burst open, as if something inside of them were exiting through the rib cage. Authorities have deployed an ill-fated team of scientists for further research.

Developing...

[Gold Metal Flake]

55. Damn you Clenis!!!

It trancends time and space.

[jdonaldball]

56. A joke I heard from a Russian, about extraterrestrials in Russia

Alien ship lands in Russia, alien disguised as human sees two Russians opening a bottle of vodka. (Usually a bottle of vodka is shared by three, in Russia). They invite the alien to join, he drinks and passes out. Goes back to his ship, and the captain says, "Go back and try again. You must talk to the Earthlings and find out about their culture!" He goes back the next day, same thing happens, two Russians get him drunk. He tries again on the third day, the Russians offer him vodka, and the alien shouts:
"NO! You don't understand! I'm an alien from outer space, and I'm trying to discover your Earthling culture!"
And the Russians looked at each other and said:
"Alright, no more vodka for him."
:-)

[Swamp Rat]

57. The alien lizards have been here for a long time,

working to take over the Earth from the inside.

Don't vote for Bush! He's an alien lizard!

[Borgnine]

58. I'm sure many will scoff at this...

...and this claim probably won't pan out. However, I've always had an interest in this stuff. When I was a child, I saw a "flying saucer" up close. It hovered over me in my backyard, in broad daylight, for several minutes before taking off in a brilliant blue light. No, it wasn't a dream, and no, I'm not crazy (if I was, I'd probably be a Republican).

I guess you could say the experience gave me an open mind about everything from a very young age (despite scaring the bejeesus out of me when it happened).

[Swamp Rat]

60. Folks see them all the time

In Brasil, I've run accross lots of people who've seem UFOs, especially in the Northeast.

[Pachamama]

63. They mention the "lights" a lot in Equador and the Peruvian Amazon

:hi:

Btw....some weird happenings in Washington state recently according to a friend....hear anything about that? She mentioned talk of "Asteroids" hitting? Just curious....

[Swamp Rat]

65. Yeah, I heard about that

I've seen UFOs in New Mexico, Louisiana, and more recently in Ceará, Brasil. I was walking on the beach at night when a little light in the sky was moving at a good clip and then made a right angle. My grandfather, a WWII vet, worked in Los Alamos in the centrifuge during the time they built the bomb. He saw colored lights/UFOs doing figure eights above or near the lab. I guess, "they" were watching us work on the atomic bomb.

:hi:

[minkyboodle]

59. Don't Blame me.....

I voted for Kodos...

[BayouBengal07]

61. Sounds like someone

needs to lay off the Stolichnaya.

[0007]

66. Karl Rove knows that this type of tabloid journalism is popular

with most nuts and will take attention away from the real issues of the day. By 10:00 this morning will thread will have at least 150 hit and will still be going strong. With the trolls egging on the stupidity.

[jayfish]

70. Lighten Up.

It's a fun thread. A person cannot live on doom & gloom alone. :crazy:

Jay

[JSJ]

67. is rocket of moose and squirrel n/t

[PATRICK]

69. Intriguing

Absurd that anything could be immediately determined alien, but reading further in it looks like a story turned inside out by some intrepid misreporting. The main interest for research is claimed to be a black rock, an exciting enough meteorite find. Curiously the speculative, wild claim seems to be secondary to the scientists- or whatever these- as usual- unnamed parties are.

Someone needing attention and funding perhaps.

The story is ridiculously written.

[Libs Bite Back]

71. Good news for a change

Thank you Beetwasher it's nice to see some good news for a change in this decision area.
http://www.liberalsbiteback.com