Bush: Rich People figure out how to dodge taxes anyway

[Tarheelhombre]

Bush criticized Kerry's plan to eliminate the tax cuts for those making more than $200,000 a year, saying that the "the rich in America happen to be the small business owners" who put people to work.

Bush also said high taxes on the rich are a failed strategy because "the really rich people figure out how to dodge taxes anyway."

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--bushvisit0809aug09,0,6920595.story?coll=dp-headlines-virginia

[NJGeek]

1. Where's the fork?

This guys done.

[Tarheelhombre]

12. Leona Helmsley is now managing the Bush campaign

Rhymes with chumb.

[SquireJons]

27. My thoughts exactly

She got pillared and so will chimpie-boy. He seems to be trying to out do his father in being remote and disconnected from real peoples economic problems. In many peoples minds, bush has now said 'taxes are for little people.' Kerry needs to jump on this.

Rove is going to have a huge dry cleaning bill this week.

[GainesT1958]

2. Oh, small firms like Enron and Tyco, huh?

Sometimes Dub is just too full of CRAP for words; he really is!:mad:

The only small businesses he ever knew anything about were the ones he ran into the ground...and, btw, I thought he said that those making over $200,000 a year were his "base"?:eyes:

B-)

[kentuck]

3. We need to find a way to correct that, don't we Dubya ?

Thanks for validating how crooked you and your friends really are...

[Manix]

4. ...only a moron could follow this moron's logic.

[TaleWgnDg]

15. logic? "logic," you say??? n/t

[wabeewoman]

5. Speaking from experience George??

Bush also said high taxes on the rich are a failed strategy because "the really rich people figure out how to dodge taxes anyway."

Hmmmm, I wish the IRS would do a little audit to see if he is talking about himself....

[noahmijo]

6. To tell you the truth I don't even consider $200k to be rich

in NYC or Boston.

Still though I agree far more with Kerry's economic policy than Bush's.

I believe Kerry is making special exceptions for small business owners (he's not going to have them taxes the same as the rich) so that trumps *'s statement right there.

[nonbelief]

23. Yeah, right...

Tell anyone earning minimum wage that 200k isn't rich..

[psychopomp]

29. It's relative

I am a big Kubrick fan, so please let me get this plug for "Eyes Wide Shut" in. Seen one way, the film is a portrait of class differences and of the role that money plays in life.

Dr. Bill (Cruise) seems quite well off unless you compare him with Mr. Zeigler, (what was to be Keitel's part, btw) who throws elaborate parties every year at Christmas. Zeigler seems quite rich until you come to the palatial estate of some unnamed character, wherein take place all kinds of...exchanges.

All of whom are quite rich compared to Bambi, whose apartment Dr. Bill calls "cozy."

/soapbox

[markses]

7. Um...isn't this guy ostensibly hired to execute (i.e., enforce) the LAWS

"Oh, these folks just find ways around the law anyway."

Hey asshat, it's YOUR job to stop them. Douche.

[kestrel91316]

8. "Only the little people............

pay taxes" - Leona Helmsley, The Queen of Mean

[Trillo]

9. Bush is drawing a distinction between the small business owner

who he calls 'the rich', and 'really rich' who figure out how to dodge taxes.

Can we surmise on what Bush is saying: if you're a small business owner, and paying taxes without trying to dodge them, that is the reason you're not 'really rich'? It seems like implicit contempt for those who are doing well and who willingly pay their taxes owed.

Since when has a sitting President ever encouraged 'the dodging of taxes?'

[gratuitous]

10. Thanks for looking out for us, George

You know, when those taxes aren't collected from rich folks, it has to be made up somewhere. But probably not from your base: The haves and the have-mores.

[truthisfreedom]

11. dupe and you didn't put the title of the story in the title of the thread

link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x739567

[enigmatic]

13. My God...

I know W has the IQ of a canned ham, but how stupid/arrogent do you have to be to think this is going to help you?

[stickdog]

14. This is so annoying. He actually trying to MAKE points by telling yokels

that his BASE -- his own bankrollers and biggest supporters and even him and everybody in his administration are all tax dodgers!!!

[struggle4progress]

16. ROFL. eom

[TaleWgnDg]

17. "by George, I've GOT IT!!"

the illogic of this guy is legion . . .

high taxes on the rich are a failed strategy because "the rich people figure out how to dodge taxes anyway." Is similar to saying that murderers figure out how to murder anyway so why bother with criminal laws against murder?

aahhhhhh, legacy admissions as U.S. presidents, at times, are NOT a very pretty picture!

[Lorien]

18. Gee, I'm a small business owner

so where my f*cking $200,000 a year??!! :grr:

[girl gone mad]

19. Hey.. they're just going to dodge..

their taxes anyways, so let's give them the tax cuts, that way they won't have to pay people to find more loopholes.


Makes perfect sense to me.

[Yupster]

20. The super rich

don't make large incomes so they pay little income tax.

Super rich families have their money tied up in trust funds and land. The investments they do have in their own name are in tax free municipal bonds which cause no income tax.

To get at the super wealthy, you need to find a way to tax wealth, not income.

I am not against wealth, but the guys with the five mansions and 20 cars deserve any tax that can be put onto them in my humble opinion. To me that's obcene.

[Mechatanketra]

26. The dirty secret of the American love affair with wealth ...

... is that it is wealth, not welfare, that burdens the economy. We've known for decades that the defining factor of a recession and/or depression is hoarding -- money is like blood, and economic health suffers when it stops moving steadily. Handouts to the poor may not console the Jamestown work ethic which seems the American default, but at least that money's going right back into the system again -- since the desperately poor don't sit on money. Whereas, almost by definition, the mega-wealthy are inefficient spenders, drawing in drastically more from the system than they contribute back to it.

It's not the guy with five mansions and 20 cars you have to worry about, precisely -- if they're spending the obscene amount of money they accumulate (to say "they earn" is very often a joke), all's more or less fine. It's the guy with enough in the bank to buy five mansions and 20 cars, just sitting there (or worse, being 'invested' ... typically meaning loaned, creating a short-term illusion of activity but sucking back even more resources from the economy in the long run).

[rman]

21. one would think there's no such thing as Big business

Halliburton? small business
Carlyle? family shop
GE? little entrepeneur

[Mokito]

22. What a fucked up logical loop!

In the same illogic: Why convict killers? They're gonna figure out how to dodge the conviction anyway!

[DoktorGreg]

24. Starting Febuary, hot tip for IRS investigators looking for a come upance

EOM

[Warren DeMontague]

25. It's part of the incentive factor of capitalism...

work hard (or use your connections to steal strategically, more like), get filthy rich, and you won't have to pay taxes, either! It's a motivator! Part of the "ownership society"!

:puke:

[praxiz]

28. Why not just ... oh I dunno

Try to stuff a cork in those loopholes they use to avoid taxes?

Then maybe Bush could afford another war! And another taxbreak.

[Moderator]

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