Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Fresno council member wrote of using 'dirty bomb' to kill liberals

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:45 AM
Original message
Fresno council member wrote of using 'dirty bomb' to kill liberals
http://www.fresnobee.com/local/story/7291741p-8216890c.html

Fresno residents and community leaders, outraged by an e-mail message in which City Council Member Jerry Duncan wished he had a "dirty bomb" to kill every liberal in Fresno, called Thursday for his resignation, recall or reprimand.

Sorry if it's a dupe, but I didn't see any other story that looked like it. And I can't use the search function - yet ;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:49 AM
Response to Original message
1. They are coming out of the woodwork.
This is truly how they feel. They are killers and fascists and deserve exactly what they wish for others.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
monobrau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:51 AM
Response to Original message
2. It's ok - he's white
Edited on Fri Aug-15-03 11:52 AM by monobrau
I would be worried about 'ol Jerry if his name was Ahmed and had made some remark about a dirty bomb. But he's just a "regular" person; so I don't think he'll dissapear into custody anytime soon.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. Does he support Ar-nuld???
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. Ah-nold Will Probably Name Him As An "Advisor" Later Today
:-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 11:56 AM
Response to Original message
5. very revealing
this attitude of hatred is a shame for America. Why do they insist it's "patriotic" to hate and suppress your fellow citizens? How can they be this way and still call themselves Christians? I never cease to be amazed at the basic lack of understanding and compassion in this crowd. They surely must be mentally ill.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. Limbaugh, Coulter etc
are the nes fanning this hatred. "Liberals" are to blame for everything, "liberals" are not "real Americans" why not go the whole way and claim "liberals" are "subhuman" (if they haven't made that leap already). Its very disturbing and revealing of the thought processes of many on the right. They are Fascists, plain and simple.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #6
66. Birds of a feather.
The fascists and the repukes put property (like slaveholding) first. So, anyone who talks about progress is a threat to their way of life because it costs money to feed, educate, house and help the downtrodden. The rich Reich knows this and pays top dollar for its toads and stooges throughout the media.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TioDiego Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. No, its just weak minds.
When you have the Ann Coulters and O'Reillys out there, you grow some real life Bob Boudelangs. So stop saying that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yolatengo Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #8
14. why does
Bob Boudelang look so much like Sonny Bono's Angry Uncle?

Bigby
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. LOL

And by the way, welcome to DU!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #5
17. compassionate conservatism
Where is the outrage, if a democrat said that to either a
christian or similar they would be up in arms,
they always get away with things like that
and try to hold the democrats and liberals to different standards
wait until next year when we get America back
It wont be the same old republican cries anymore




JOHN KERRY PRESIDENT 2004
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #5
47. They've commandeered "patriotic" to mean
right wing only.

How very brownshirt of them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:01 PM
Response to Original message
7. psycho bastard
sounds like a violation of the Patriot Act to me--something about threatened terrorist act
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #7
19. exactly
this is a job for John Ashcroft. Will he hold a press conference on the terrorist threat in Fresno?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #7
25. Don't you know any better by now? :)
It's only terrorism if liberals fight for their Constitutional rights. It's perfectly legal for fascist scumbags to commit terrorist acts by threatening and/or advocating mass murder of liberals </sarcasm> :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:02 PM
Response to Original message
9. what does "CAP" mean?
I'm assuming something similar to "crackin' some heads", but I'm not familiar with this expression - police should "CAP" relating to protestors mentioned in the article.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Cap means to shoot someone
Also known as bust a cap on someone. Shoot to kill.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. that is outrageous!
The council member(s) mentioned the cops should shoot to kill protestors and they haven't been declared f'n nuts and unfit for public office...

Thanks for the info. The definition is obviously worse than I thought.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:08 PM
Response to Original message
11. Ah, yes
Fresno, my hometown. Between Duncan and FreeRepublic I can't TELL you how very proud we are. :puke:

This bozo was actually on one of the Top Ten Conservative Idiots list at DU a couple months ago for firing Dr. Kapoor from the Human Rights Commission for his anti-war activities. Considering Dr. Kapoor is one of the founders of Peace Fresno AND is a highly respected professor who teaches Peace and Conflict Resolution classes at Fresno State (among other things), this was nothing more than a personal jihad. Unfortunately, he's in a very conservative district and his constituents just love this guy. Go figure.

Prosecute the rich white guy? Not gonna happen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #11
48. Yes, this is truly how they feel
The Freepers here In Fresno will probably have a parade for him this weekend. :puke:

I hate living here In Freeper city. :mad:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #48
63. Remember, not all Fresno is like that
and you can't let a few, outspoken crazies be the representatives of this city. For every Jerry Duncan there is a Cynthia Sterling (both on the Fresno City Council -- one a whacko and the other an incredibly hard-working, community-minded representative). There is WONDERFUL work going on here, though it gets less publicity. Local Democrats are walking precincts signing people up to vote, providing people applications for permanent absentee ballot status and campaigning against the recall. Our local Dean groups (3 of them) are arranging to donate food and work the Poverello House during Thanksgiving. There's Peace Fresno, a great organization -- just so many positive things happening all the time. Of course, we're saturated with all the Rush wannabes 24/7 so very little of this information gets out to the general public.

Calling this "Freeper City" negates all the hard work LOTS of people do here all year, every year. I've found that an excellent way of combatting negative perceptions and feelings of helplessness is to get involved. We need every person we can get on the "battle lines" right now. If you're interested in volunteering, please PM me and I will be happy to give you a LONG list of things you can be involved in.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #48
76. oh come on
who cares what 5 whackos do? Its NOT as if they own the town with their whacky ways and diminished numbers. Duncan, on the other hand has joined their little bandwagon of demented megaphone abusing cowardly haters in protest of peace protesters and support of warfare based on lies. The whackiest megaphone abuser and certified lunatic had a snit and accused Duncan of being a nudist, for what thats worth.
Im starting to love "Freeper City" as you call it. Theres only a half dozen of them (where you gonna find that sorta inbreeding anyway? Mighty rare I hope) and they look pretty damn ridiculous when 1500+ anti-war marchers walk by. Now all this hilarity! Oh my God, if they could do this on TV theyd be HUGE! Their physical footprint, however is completely imaginary and only exists if you say it does, and someone believes you. They are pathetic, miniscule, ludicrous, inept and basically mentally unfit way past simply stupid. Just pretend they have clown outfits and makeup on and you can smile at them.
BUT DONT LET DUNCAN GET AWAY WITH THIS THREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPEAK OUT NOW!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:31 PM
Response to Original message
13. Duncan's standard non-apology apology
Duncan issued a statement: "The e-mail was not intended for public consumption. It was nothing more than a flippant comment. ... For anyone who may have read this two-month-old e-mail, who was not part of this private conversation and somehow misunderstood or was offended by the comments, I apologize."

The gist is that if you're offended it's your own fault, and for that Duncan's sorry. It may be a futile effort to pry this lunatic off the Fresno City Council, but Fresno for sure won't get rid of him without doing a little work to make it happen.

Recall Jerry Duncan!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #13
27. There are Americans in prison for similar "private" comments
Edited on Fri Aug-15-03 03:50 PM by 0rganism
I think Mr. Duncan may be in need of a civics primer.

on edit:

'When Duncan was asked whether the commission's public criticism was motivated by politics, he said: "Absolutely. ... The response I have gotten from the public on this has been 100% supportive." '

Perhaps Mr. Duncan's supporters are also in need of a civics lesson.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IIgnoreNobody Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. Math lesson needed as well
Math lesson needed as well - wouldn't a 100% postive response mean no one is complaining?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. Key words: "I have gotten"
Apparently he just ignores the unfavorable responses.

Typical repuke thinking: "I'm right, and anyone who disagrees doesn't count for shit."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #27
54. "100% supportive"
That's easy when the only e-mail you open has the subject line "Amen - Kill all the libruls!"


The political climate degrades by the day....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #13
36. What a crock of bullshit
"The e-mail was not intended for public consumption. It was nothing more than a flippant comment. ... For anyone who may have read this two-month-old e-mail, who was not part of this private conversation and somehow misunderstood or was offended by the comments, I apologize."

So in other words, if I were to write in a private e mail that "G****e B**h J****r needs to die for the preservation of Democracy in this country", then Duncan Dipshit would be happy to intercede on my behalf when Asscrotch sends the SS out to drag me off to Gitmo??

Yeah, like that's gonna happen :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 03:57 AM
Response to Reply #36
60. Doncha just love
the "somehow misunderstood" part? These guys are always saying this, even when a gorilla could not have misunderstood it.:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:51 PM
Response to Original message
16. 1969 or so - Fresno voluntarily bussed
I went to junior high school there and it had been named an All American City. Whoever the mayor was at the time felt as an All American City, we should lead the way on race relations. We had other programs before where white and black schools would do day exchange programs and we'd visit each other's schools. That led to an actual bussing program, I know my school was involved, I have no idea which other schools were involved. It certainly wasn't popular with everybody, but I don't recall any real riots over it like they had in the south and the east. It was stopped by the courts or the governor or something like that. Still, how does a city go from that to killing liberals?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 03:09 AM
Response to Reply #16
57. They were still bussing in the 80's
Then they set up magnet schools and kids were bussed all over town to go to the magnet school of thier choice. Duncan is a magnet for trade type of work, Roosevelt is the performing arts, Edison is for computer and science things. There is also a program thru CSU Fresno for the honors type student where they attend classes at the university. Not so much bussing for intergration anymore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:57 PM
Response to Original message
18. Dying gasps of racists and other assorted Nazis.
They can't have this state. They're being swamped and they know it. This is yet another dying gasp of fascism in the state. They might hornswaggle some people with Arnie's left-wing Republicanism. But with the fascist goons waiting in the wings, they'll quickly expose themselves and fail...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. I hope you're right....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SuffragetteSal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #18
35. Well said - a dying gasps of racists and other assorted Nazis...
exactly...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Phoenician Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 01:45 PM
Response to Original message
20. Welcome to Bush's America. . . .
...where wishing for the deaths of fellow Americans is A-O-K.

:mad:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 01:48 PM
Response to Original message
21. This idiot deserves to be put in the same padded cell as...
Ev Mechcam (former Ariz. governor); Tom Dornan; Bob Barr; Tom Delay, and Ann Coulter. Then we could find out if any of THEM had a flatulence problem! :eyes:

B-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #21
75. better yet
unpadded, unprotected and with a very scary sexually demanding well endowed roommate. let the punishment barely fit the crime.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 02:49 PM
Response to Original message
23. Throw this psycho fascist in prison!!!!
In other words, Ashcroft his murderous Repuke ass!!! :mad:

This murderous scum not only belongs in prison, he belongs in solitary confinement just to show conservatives that they, too, can be locked up for trying to overthrow democracy and thinking about murdering liberals!!!!!! </Coulter parody>
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 02:51 PM
Response to Original message
24. This is (yet another) outrage
The right really do want to kill us.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 03:40 PM
Response to Original message
26. Welcome to District 6 ...


http://www.fresno6.com/

and his email address ....

jerry.duncan@ci.fresno.ca.us
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 03:38 AM
Response to Reply #26
58. My e-mail To This Thug
For What It's Worth.....

Mr. Duncan,

Although not a resident of California, I was absolutely disgusted and apalled by the report I read the today in the Fresno Bee about the e-mail you wrote which contained the following quote.....

"If I had one dirty bomb and I could eliminate all the liberals in Fresno at once."

And when confronted about this completely low-brow, psychotic, and thoroughly half-witted comment, your response was this......

The e-mail was not intended for public consumption. It was nothing more than a flippant comment. ... For anyone who may have read this two-month-old e-mail, who was not part of this private conversation and somehow misunderstood or was offended by the comments, I apologize."

My goodness Jerry, have you been stealing Michael Savage's scripts? Although it was a pretty lame attempt at an apology, it doesn't take much of an intellect to interpret what you really meant by that statement.

Here let me translate it for you.....

"I meant every single thing I said in that e-mail. I regret that my true feelings about what I would like to do to certain members of our community became public, but since the cat is now out of the bag, it's too bad that that some people got offended by it"

So the fact is Jerry, you aren't a bit sorry about the comment you made, you are sorry that it became public and that people found out about it.

Flippant comment? Misunderstanding?

What is there to misunderstand? It is obvious by such a statement that you have a deep-seeded hatred for people that disagree with you politicaly and ideologicaly, and the only thing you are REALLY sorry about is that things like that which you sated in that e-mail aren't legal and available for you to carry out without consequences.

And my sentiments go exactly for your collegue who condoned police opening fire on UNARMED, DEFENSELESS protestors.

I never thought I would see a day in America when the political and ideological divisions would drive people who serve in PUBLIC SERVICE, who are suposed to be LEADERS and SET AN EXAMPLE FOR OTHERS to hate to such a degree as to adcvocate KILLING the very citizens the were elected to SERVE.

You sir, not only need to resign, you need to seek help.

The last time I checked, Mr. Duncan, we live in a DEMOCRACY, where open political debate and the freedom to disagree with one an other is not against the law. Neither is Freedom of Assembly.

However, Mass Murder is against the law, and so are threats to that end. The sentiments and desires you stated in that "flippant" comment of yours are as well.

I believe we call that TERRORISM.

So you hate the liberals that live in your city. So you wouldn't mind seeing them dead, and you don't mind expressing that openly to co-workers, and you are dissapointed that there isn't a way for you to do it legally without consequence.

That's all fine and good Jerry, but someone with issues like you is not fit for, and does not need to be to be in Public Service and Government.

You weren't sorry about that statement you made, you are sorry it was made public, and the fact that you don't even have the courage to answer for your actions, and instead release a pathetic public rebuttal that amounts to "I'm sorry I got caught and you were offended by it" makes you a THUG and a COWARD.

And as for your laughable statement about the 100% Public Support you have received....

All I can say it must be a bitch of a commute to when you live on a different planet than your place of work.

Do the city of Fresno a favor, you schoolyard punk.

RESIGN.

I would imgine you don't like my sentiments very much, but hey, what are you going to do Jerry....

KILL ME?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 03:51 PM
Response to Original message
28. Resignation?
By definition the man is a terrorist and should be held for military trial. My God he threatened to obtain and use WMD.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. he's arguably soliciting the purchase of a radiological weapon
"If I had one dirty bomb and I could eliminate all the liberals in Fresno at once."

Also there's the other guy involved, so it's also conspiracy.

That guy that the FBI "stung", what exactly did he do?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LEFTofLEFT Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 04:04 PM
Response to Original message
30. There is a civil war being waged in American - It is cold now....
It is not really cold.

Every worker that is injured by lax work standards...
Every child left behind...
The homeless...
The hungry...

There are many more casualties - are there are fatalities..


We must fight the rightwing monsters like the future is at stake. IT IS!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SuffragetteSal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 04:12 PM
Response to Original message
32. My cousin lives in Fresno
we were once close...now we do not speak. As proven by this article and this council member, hatred is contagious.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 04:16 PM
Response to Original message
33. I am a native Fresnan who moved to GA 7 years ago.....
I do not know "this" Fresno, and I am both ashamed and fearful of what it has seemingly become. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. All American City - remember that?
I grew up in Fresno and I am with you, ashamed. You ought to write Tom Boyajian and tell him so. He's the head of the City Council.

http://www.fresno.gov/city_officials/districts/district1/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. Write him hell, I should call him.
Tom and I go back - we had legal offices in the same building and did some work together. We became pretty good friends and I have lots of good memories of Tom... I really should contact him and ask him wtf is going on and even see him when I go to Fresno in a few months.

And I do remember Fresno as an all american city, albeit at that time I was a very young girl awakening politically as a result of the Vietnam war and all the hell it brought to our lives. I didn't attend school in Fresno then (my dad was transfered to the peninsula) but I know it was not a pleasant time to be growing up in Fresno.

Where did you go to school?




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. Please do
I went to alot of schools in Fresno actually, but mostly Baird, Kratt, and Tenaya Jr. High. We moved out to Sanger after that. My sisters both went to Bullard High though. Tenaya was part of the bussing program and it's when I met one of the sweetest girlfriends I've ever had and something like that really can make an impression on isolated white kids. But we weren't really that isolated anyway, my neighborhood had Mexicans, Japanese, African-American, Catholic, Mormon, 7th Day Adventist, and we even had a gay man living next door. All in suburban Fresno in 1969!!! It just breaks my heart that we went from having leadership that was trying to move forward, even though there were some protests, to dirty bombs and capping liberals. Makes me sick.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 04:56 PM
Response to Original message
38. The scary thing is that for every 10 people mad there are 2 that agree
Im sure hes getting " Private" E-mails and fax for people who think that hes totaly right and agree with his staements %100..The Limbaghs, Coulters, Savages, Hannitys ect ect have spoon fed hate to the right wingers and have spun them up so much that they have killed to serve thire masters..( McVigh and other isolated acts )..So once agian the right wing has shown its true colors by wishing and permoteing right wing terrorism...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 05:05 PM
Response to Original message
39. this is what fascism looks like at the start
and its only going to get worse in amerikkka.

these "liberals" may wish to arm themselves at this point.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #39
43. My husband and I are thinking of purchasing a gun
he was a sheriff for 13 years, he knows how to use one...we are ultra liberal compared to where we live....and I think the meanness will get worse as more lies about the BFEE come out...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. Progressives for the Second Amendment
I have a high degree of support for gun rights.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. Hate to say it
my husband did. Can't say 'we' because it's probably not something I would have chosen to do. But when I got a creepy religious 'we must serve Bush' letter a while back, I was kind of glad 'we' had it.

Very strange times. ;(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 06:34 AM
Response to Reply #43
62. in this day and time ...
I wouldn't think of not having one or two.

Do not go gently into the night.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Eat_The_Rich Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #39
46. Armed Liberals
Not an oxymoron. I grew up in the 50's. When I was a teen, I was a bird hunter. I even joined the NRA so I could target shoot competively (had a modified M1). That was when I was 18. I have never owned a gun since then, UNTIL NOW. Recently bought myself an AK-47 (don't trust handguns, too easy to f**k up with those). Why you ask? To protect myself from all of those othe assholes that have AK-47s. And really, I am a mellow guy, just practical.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 05:07 PM
Response to Original message
40. Just the beginning.
Let REAL economic hard-times hit the Empire, and what the Busheviks have doen regarding demonization and ratcheting hatred for personal gain will become all too clear.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 06:38 PM
Response to Original message
49. Adios Senior Duncan!!!!!
Your time has come!!!

Resign!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 06:44 PM
Response to Original message
50. Remember that waitress that reported those middle eastern medical students
They were driving to start medical school in Florida, and they stopped at the wrong Georgia restaurant and a waitress named Irene or something like that called the FBI when they supposedly made some joke like this.

I never really blamed Mildred, or whatever her name was, it was right after Sept. 11 and "watch what you say" was in the air, and she seemed pretty remorseful as I recall.

But, I also remember a lot of whores going on about how necessary it was that she turn them in, she was practically a hero, that's what we all should have done, etc. etc. And that those students should even be prosecuted for whatever they did to cause Mabel to turn them in.

I wonder what those whores would say about this case?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BansheeBarbie Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #50
71. Remember The Barmaid Who Reported The Bush Twins
That poor woman was threatened and harassessed just for doing her job and reporting under age drinking.

Just because the lawbreakers were Junior's brats... the unthinking, reptilian rightwingers made the barmaid's life
miserable.

Then there was Coulter's comment at a speech, attended by several members of Junior's Admin:

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too. Otherwise they will turn out to be outright traitors."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
avtho Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 06:57 PM
Response to Original message
51. Bring 'em on
I do believe the weakness of the far left is the appearance we are unarmed and helpless. Understand that many liberals are afraid of guns or weapons. Maybe for those who have never been around them they are something to be feared, but I believe and I may be wrong, the day will come when the rightwing if not deterred will see the far-left liberal as something to eliminate one way or another.

Liberals can learn to appreciate firearms and can learn to handle them safely. Some weapons are inherently safe just by design. For instance revolvers and double barrel shotguns with exposed hammers are what I consider very safe and easy to use.

You don't have to be an NRAer to be weaponized. Many many people are gun owners and users and don't belong to NRA. I used to many years ago before it became a politicized right-wing organization. But if the left were known as gun-owners it wouldn't be long before the NRA would be wooing us for membership, then of course they would have to change their policy of right-wing BS and moderate the organization to what is was at one time. Just a place for hunters and shooters to get information on guns and shooting, not politics.

I may be wrong!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 07:39 PM
Response to Original message
52. He needs to be *impeached* not just repremanded.
Edited on Fri Aug-15-03 07:40 PM by w4rma

The commissioners voted unanimously Thursday to ask City Council President Tom Boyajian to reprimand Duncan. They also want Duncan to formally apologize to the commission and the community at the council's Tuesday meeting.

:mad::mad::mad:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 08:12 AM
Response to Reply #52
64. Really . . . . ????
Let's see. What's on my agenda for Tuesday night? Ah, nothing (unusual). I think maybe we need to get a contigent down to City Hall with signs and press. Ah yes, this can be done.

Anybody in/around the Fresno area is welcome to PM me if you're interested in being involved. Meanwhile, I'll be making lots of phone calls today to try and get this going.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stitz58 Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 08:18 PM
Response to Original message
53. A civil war might be at hand.
:grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 02:02 AM
Response to Original message
55. Duncan must be fired and charged accordingly
Nothing less ...I will watch this closely .

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #55
68. you got that right
The heat needs to be turned up RIGHT NOW! Please take a moment to email the Fresno Bee- staff@fresnobee.com , the Mayor(Alan Autry/"Bubba"!)- Mayor@fresno.gov and any commentators and newsletters for related organizations about this travesty.
Make a difference.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 03:04 AM
Response to Original message
56. Let us not forget the political environment here in Fresno
I live here, I have my Dean for president sticker on my car and I get laughed at for it. Fresno if you look is the P.O. Box address of FreeRepublic. This Jerry Duncan earlier in the year attack the head of a Human/Civil rights commision here in town. I don't remember exactly what his name or job title was. Jerry Duncan is a pig who has the same thought process of Coulter, but he is on a city council. Jerry Duncan lives in an area of California that is strong republican. Do you think he feels safe in his ways of being? He does. This is twice in one year that he has done this sort of thing and each time he gets bolder and more repulsive. Will anything happen? No, if it does I bet he goes down as a martyr in the eyes of the republicans here. I have seen fences painted with such slogans as "If this war is right or wrong, it does not matter, God Bless George Bush" They are driven by ideology, not morals. It is difficult to be a liberal in this part of the world.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 03:45 AM
Response to Reply #56
59. My e-mail to This Thug
Edited on Sat Aug-16-03 03:45 AM by TheWatcher
For What It's Worth.....

Mr. Duncan,

Although not a resident of California, I was absolutely disgusted and apalled by the report I read the today in the Fresno Bee about the e-mail you wrote which contained the following quote.....

"If I had one dirty bomb and I could eliminate all the liberals in Fresno at once."

And when confronted about this completely low-brow, psychotic, and thoroughly half-witted comment, your response was this......

The e-mail was not intended for public consumption. It was nothing more than a flippant comment. ... For anyone who may have read this two-month-old e-mail, who was not part of this private conversation and somehow misunderstood or was offended by the comments, I apologize."

My goodness Jerry, have you been stealing Michael Savage's scripts? Although it was a pretty lame attempt at an apology, it doesn't take much of an intellect to interpret what you really meant by that statement.

Here let me translate it for you.....

"I meant every single thing I said in that e-mail. I regret that my true feelings about what I would like to do to certain members of our community became public, but since the cat is now out of the bag, it's too bad that that some people got offended by it"

So the fact is Jerry, you aren't a bit sorry about the comment you made, you are sorry that it became public and that people found out about it.

Flippant comment? Misunderstanding?

What is there to misunderstand? It is obvious by such a statement that you have a deep-seeded hatred for people that disagree with you politicaly and ideologicaly, and the only thing you are REALLY sorry about is that things like that which you sated in that e-mail aren't legal and available for you to carry out without consequences.

And my sentiments go exactly for your collegue who condoned police opening fire on UNARMED, DEFENSELESS protestors.

I never thought I would see a day in America when the political and ideological divisions would drive people who serve in PUBLIC SERVICE, who are suposed to be LEADERS and SET AN EXAMPLE FOR OTHERS to hate to such a degree as to adcvocate KILLING the very citizens the were elected to SERVE.

You sir, not only need to resign, you need to seek help.

The last time I checked, Mr. Duncan, we live in a DEMOCRACY, where open political debate and the freedom to disagree with one an other is not against the law. Neither is Freedom of Assembly.

However, Mass Murder is against the law, and so are threats to that end. The sentiments and desires you stated in that "flippant" comment of yours are as well.

I believe we call that TERRORISM.

So you hate the liberals that live in your city. So you wouldn't mind seeing them dead, and you don't mind expressing that openly to co-workers, and you are dissapointed that there isn't a way for you to do it legally without consequence.

That's all fine and good Jerry, but someone with issues like you is not fit for, and does not need to be to be in Public Service and Government.

You weren't sorry about that statement you made, you are sorry it was made public, and the fact that you don't even have the courage to answer for your actions, and instead release a pathetic public rebuttal that amounts to "I'm sorry I got caught and you were offended by it" makes you a THUG and a COWARD.

And as for your laughable statement about the 100% Public Support you have received....

All I can say it must be a bitch of a commute to when you live on a different planet than your place of work.

Do the city of Fresno a favor, you schoolyard punk.

RESIGN.

I would imgine you don't like my sentiments very much, but hey, what are you going to do Jerry....

KILL ME?

On edit: Sorry about the double post
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 04:55 AM
Response to Reply #59
61. Letters to the editor
Send it to the Fresno Bee. That will at least shoot down his comment of 100% support. I don't support the jerk one bit and I don't agree with any of the comment. Since he is not the council member for my area, I guess I don't count in his poll of 100%.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 10:35 AM
Response to Original message
65. How very republican.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 10:53 AM
Response to Original message
67. It's time to expose this shit as what it truly is : FASCISM
This idiot. Savage Weiner. Ann the Man. Hannazi. All of the lies and blatant hate being pushed by these lying coward propagandists.

Take any piece of Nazi propaganda from the 1930's, substitute the word "Liberal" for "Jew" and see if you can't see the promoters of this criminal Fraudministration using it.

And we all know what happenned there after the propaganda wasn't enough. How long before threats of "dirty bombs" and the like become more than threats?? :scared:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 10:37 AM
Response to Original message
69. How long will it be
before the next Tim McVeigh strikes?
And will he be targeting 'Libruls' this time?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #69
70. exactly right
we have a fellow loon here in town on the limbot AM channel who has repeatedly pleaded FOR another 9-11 attack on the US so the anti-war leaning Americans can get their minds changed. Hows that for Republican patriotism? This joker Bill Manders and Jerry Duncan are two of a kind, and it is critically important that we all speak out against this serious domestic terrorism TODAY! Another Tim McVeigh is on the way, with this kind of encouragement from the mentally ill leadership. FIGHT BACK NOW!!!!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Goldust Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 11:42 AM
Response to Original message
72. Isn't Bubba from "In The Heat Of The Night" the mayor there?
He's the mayor of something now, I'm pretty sure it's Fresno. Frankly, I'm more worried about the "nude bomb."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 01:00 PM
Response to Original message
73. another Manthax disciple ..gesssh
and they wonder WHY Daschle made the statement he did fearing for his life!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 01:15 PM
Response to Original message
74. I thought people like that lived only in the South
judging from GD threads lately.

Bake
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #74
77. Nope we all have our very own assholes Bake
and you know LOTS of us back ya'll on those threads
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 08:20 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC