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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-14-04 10:02 PM Original message |
Falklands para dies in Baghdad suicide bombing |
By Jack Fairweather in Baghdad (Filed: 15/06/2004) A Falklands veteran was one of two Britons killed yesterday by a suicide car bomb in Baghdad which claimed the lives of 14 people working to restore power stations. The US military said 10 other contractors, all working for a subsidiary of GE Energy Products, and 52 Iraqis were wounded by the blast outside an alcohol store on a crowded street at 8am. It was the 17th car bombing this month. The powerful blast wrecked an alcohol store and several cars The Britons were employees of Olive Security, a London company with 300 staff - many of them ex-servicemen - in Iraq. One was identified last night by former colleagues as ex-Colour Sgt Keith Butler, who served in 3 Para in the bloody battle of Mount Longdon in the Falklands war of 1982. He was among the unit's A Company which fixed bayonets and charged the entrenched Argentinian 7th Infantry Regiment after running short of ammunition. more http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/06/15/wirq15.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/06/15/ixnewstop.html |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-14-04 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. ALCOHOL STORE? |
:wtf: Muslims aren't suppose to drink.
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Leprechan29 (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-14-04 10:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Just like Christians aren't |
There's some part saying that intoxicating things are prohibited - then again, I may be completely wrong here
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-04 06:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. There are Iraqis who are not Muslim |
and a secular government wouldn't push the strict rules of one religion on everyone. I believe the alcohol stores have been significant targets for bombs and shootings over the past year, however.
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DemoTex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-14-04 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. Colour Sgt Keith Butler |
My VVAW slogan is "Honor the warrior, not the war." The Falklands was a war of two bald men fighting over a comb. Iraq is just two bald men - one disproportionately huge - fighting and killing. No comb here, just oil.
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-14-04 11:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. A couple of photos |
www.cantho-rvn.org/ |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-14-04 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. They were with a British Security Contractor working for a GE subsidiary.. |
Kind of looks like the Iraqi's are after the mercenaries for hire (Olive Security) and the US company's who are supporting them.
In this case it looks like GE doesn't feel it's safe to send employees over there, so they hire their own private "Security Contractors," to get around the safety issue. I read an article that said the Iraqi's could secure their own Electricity if we would just let them. Seems like they are trying. It just gets worse and worse. Blair/Bush/Rummy/Cheney, thought they could do this WAR Privatized, and what the hell has happened. Trying to make GE, Halliburton and the Mercenary Companies (some traded on the Stock Market, fgs!) rich. And, in the end none of it works out the way they thought. |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-14-04 11:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. olivesecurity |
Edited on Mon Jun-14-04 11:57 PM by seemslikeadream
In one moment in time, our Service members will be feeding and clothing displaced refugees - providing humamitarian assistance. In the next moment, they will be holding two warring tribes apart - comducting peacekeeping operations. Finally, they will be fighting a highly lethal mid-intensity battle. All in the same day, all within three city blocks. It will be what we call the three block war. General Charles C. Krulak, 31st Commandant, USMC Halliburton Some comments from employees of PMCs and Halliburton history Just to get to know who these guys are. Maybe some poor souls were duped into working for them, didn't realize what they were getting into. Needed the money, what segment of US population needs financial aid more than senior citizens, are they expected to sign up to so they can pay their medical bills? "I too spent time in Iraq with Custer Battles. They are a frauduently company. Trust me, they are worried about $$ first and the employee/ bodies last. They will breach anyones contract, then screw them all the way home. Also don't trust there K9 division, there dogs are suppose to be BOMB dogs, I won't bet my life on the dogs finding anything. Also is a liar." (January 8, 2004) http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Custer_Battles A new monster has emerged from the depths of private security firms operating in IRaq. Custer Battles LLC, the new company that took over security at the Baghdad Airport. The on-site management team is made up of a bunch of former "army ranger" types that must have a real "treat" to work for in the military. They could care less about the health or safety of thier own staff never mind that of the innocent civilians working in and around the airport. They promote a type of security that well crosses the borders of decent treatment and humanitarian treatment. Constantly yelling at thier own staff to "take no shit" , point weapons at innocent/unarmed civilians, and "suck it up" when they have a complaint... they present as no company that is certainly going to help with the problem of how Americans are percieved in the area. Pointing weapons and threatening thier own staff with being "escorted" to the propertly line and forceing those that wish to quite or be fired to make thier take an "unarmed" ride without communications through the country to get out. They have hired 50 or so Ghurkas from Nepal to support the operation... but pay them less than 1/4 of what most of the other staff gets. Forced to eat Iraqi food without proper cooking and storing has made many of them sick... and the management could care less. When faced with questions, they simply place you in truck and send you unarmed and without communications to Amman... where you have to find your own way home basically. They have purchases thier own plane (the management) but still do not properly equip thier own staff. They are forced to patrol the area in sub-standard vehicles that creat yet another dangerous situation. These vehicles are not robust enough to withstand a blowout never mind any other attacks. With the 4 cylinder P/Us, the officers are not able to get out of thier own way, never mind escape an attack or dangerous situation. I encourage you to look into this type of activity and wast of our money in Iraq. http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/a-list/2003w33/msg00065.htm Topic Page: 1 2 of 2 Kevwhite USA 2 Posts Posted - 09/22/2003 : 12:36:42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just a warning to anyone considering a contract with Custer Battles LLC, of Fairfax,VA, the company currently awarded the contract to provide security at Baghdad International Airport. I was with them for the first month. The company repeatedly demonstrated signs of serious cash flow problems that effected their ability meet payrolls, both within country and also for all the Americans expecting direct deposits back home. We were all shorted on our first pay, at the end of July, and the promise to make up the difference by Aug 5 was not met. At that time the excuse was that it was easier to pay us the back wages along with our normal pay at the end of Aug. However, at least in my case, the Aug pay was also substantially light. As I had returned to the states due to a death in my family, and being owed nearly $2000, I opted to not return. There are also a number of issues, such as health and welfare concerns and generally poor management, that contributed to my decision. A number of other well qualified professionals have also left them. If you are a true professional you will not like working for them and you will not want your name associated with them. tthrasher USA 1 Posts Posted - 11/13/2003 : 19:40:09 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could you email me with more info? I was planning on sending them my resume. togeoff United Kingdom 46 Posts Posted - 11/17/2003 : 11:32:24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Kevwhite Just a warning ..with them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wouldn't mind more information myself - I too was looking at what they were offering. Geoff H RangerinIraq USA 1 Posts Posted - 11/25/2003 : 07:27:24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been with Custer Battles since they started here in Iraq in July. After my time in the Army, this has been the most rewarding experience I've had. Custer Battles has been good to me, and while they have definitely experienced growing pains, they take care of their people more than any company I know. The owners spend most of their time here, and they handle issues fairly and honorably. I also know the guy who posted this note. He left the company after they paid $3000 up front to fly him home for a family emergency and he repays them by posting crap like this. All I know is that I enjoy what I do and I'd recommend Custer Battles to anyone. They're definitely hiring and expanding; send em your resume. t 1 Posts Posted - 12/22/2003 : 17:34:46 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- reference custer battles,please stay clear,they are dangerous,i have just left them,they left us without body armour,ammo and weapons,we had to buy all our own equipment and scrounge it from other good companies and the military,then we were told to arrange our own transport home on leave,it was unbelievable,when these points were brought up we were ignored at all levels,from washinton to bagdad.they had in place teams of psd's from the usa who then left,then they had teams of psd's from france who then left,then they had teams of psd's from the uk who then left,does this not speak volumes.custer battles are only in it to gain as much cash as possable they definetely should not get the contract renewed in march they are dredfull in the way they conduct thier buisness,ps.to the previous "ranger" im glad you are happy mate but they are not anywhere as good as you make out,please do your research to find out whether what i have said is fact or fiction,yours T. alan_w USA 1 Posts Posted - 12/26/2003 : 09:42:55 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More info please. Been offered a contract. divdoc USA 3 Posts Posted - 12/28/2003 : 01:14:18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Kevwhite Just a warning to anyone considering a contract with Custer Battles LLC, of Fairfax,VA, the company currently awarded the contract to provide security at Baghdad International Airport. I was with them for the first month. The company repeatedly demonstrated signs of serious cash flow problems that effected their ability meet payrolls, both within country and also for all the Americans expecting direct deposits back home. We were all shorted on our first pay, at the end of July, and the promise to make up the difference by Aug 5 was not met. At that time the excuse was that it was easier to pay us the back wages along with our normal pay at the end of Aug. However, at least in my case, the Aug pay was also substantially light. As I had returned to the states due to a death in my family, and being owed nearly $2000, I opted to not return. There are also a number of issues, such as health and welfare concerns and generally poor management, that contributed to my decision. A number of other well qualified professionals have also left them. If you are a true professional you will not like working for them and you will not want your name associated with them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the heads-up. I work for ITT/Group4 in Bosnia. The same advice and avoidance should be applied. custerbattlesisajoke 2 Posts Posted - 01/08/2004 : 19:43:10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I too spent time in Iraq with Custer Battles. They are a frauduently company. Trust me, they are worried about $$ first and the employee/ bodies last. They will breach anyones contract, then screw them all the way home. Also don't trust there K9 division, there dogs are suppose to be BOMB dogs, I won't bet my life on the dogs finding anything. Also Jerry Johnson is a liar. lawdoggs86 USA 3 Posts Posted - 02/06/2004 : 00:56:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you work for a Defense Contractor in Iraq or elswhere? Have you been mistreated, abused, injured on the job? Send your e-mail, (names are not necessary) and a short description of your situation to: lawdoggs86@yahoo.com We are preparing lists of personnel to mount mass torts, (class action lawsuits) against the various contracting organizations that have abused, mistreated and otherwise maligned security and other contracting professionals in this, our nation's time of crisis. While our soldiers die in Iraq everyday, these companies only talk about greed, greed, greed. Information will be sent to you about the various attournies and other legal organizations you can contact to put a stop to these insidious abuses. lawdoggs86@yahoo.com csdickey USA 1 Posts Posted - 02/09/2004 : 04:36:43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by t reference custer battles,please stay clear,they are dangerous,i have just left them,they left us without body armour,ammo and weapons,we had to buy all our own equipment and scrounge it from other good companies and the military,then we were told to arrange our own transport home on leave,it was unbelievable,when these points were brought up we were ignored at all levels,from washinton to bagdad.they had in place teams of psd's from the usa who then left,then they had teams of psd's from france who then left,then they had teams of psd's from the uk who then left,does this not speak volumes.custer battles are only in it to gain as much cash as possable they definetely should not get the contract renewed in march they are dredfull in the way they conduct thier buisness,ps.to the previous "ranger" im glad you are happy mate but they are not anywhere as good as you make out,please do your research to find out whether what i have said is fact or fiction,yours T. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Enzo Germany 5 Posts Posted - 02/10/2004 : 08:09:53 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by csdickey quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by t reference custer battles,please stay clear,they are dangerous,i have just left them,they left us without body armour,ammo and weapons,we had to buy all our own equipment and scrounge it from other good companies and the military,then we were told to arrange our own transport home on leave,it was unbelievable,when these points were brought up we were ignored at all levels,from washinton to bagdad.they had in place teams of psd's from the usa who then left,then they had teams of psd's from france who then left,then they had teams of psd's from the uk who then left,does this not speak volumes.custer battles are only in it to gain as much cash as possable they definetely should not get the contract renewed in march they are dredfull in the way they conduct thier buisness,ps.to the previous "ranger" im glad you are happy mate but they are not anywhere as good as you make out,please do your research to find out whether what i have said is fact or fiction,yours T. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Has someone any adresses from serious companies,maybe UXO-related,in the area? Thank´s,Enzo SL lawdoggs86 USA 3 Posts Posted - 02/12/2004 : 13:05:15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you work for a Defense Contractor in Iraq or elswhere? Have you been mistreated, abused, injured on the job? Send your e-mail, (names are not necessary) and a short description of your situation to: lawdoggs86@yahoo.com Also, if you know of other message boards, send that information as well. We will band together a network to stop these people from their sick and disgusting practices which are ruining our lives and costing our noble troops their's. Whether you work for: Brown & Root/Haliburton DynCorp Custer Battles ITT or other corrupt contracting organization, you need to take a stand. Don't be fooled. These people have strong lobbies in Washington and deep pockets filled, not only with tax payers fraudulently acquired dollars, but politicians and high ranking military officials as well. This is not a joke. If we don't start standing up to these filthy thieves, nobody will. I did not serve my country to let that happen. Nor, I believe, did you. start here: http://www.alexanderlaw.com / all information is strictly confidential. We are preparing lists of personnel to mount mass torts, (class action lawsuits) against the various contracting organizations that have abused, mistreated and otherwise maligned security and other contracting professionals in this, our nation's time of crisis. While our soldiers die in Iraq everyday, these companies only talk about greed, greed, greed. Information will be sent to you about the various attornies and other legal organizations you can contact to put a stop to these insidious abuses. lawdoggs86@yahoo.com custerbattlesisajoke 2 Posts Posted - 02/13/2004 : 16:59:42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At least we weren't the only ones with out body armour. Guns with 2 or 3 bullets. Custer Battles, needs to be investigated for Fraud! At least I am home, I have heard othe horror stories of the way they treat there people. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by csdickey quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by t reference custer battles,please stay clear,they are dangerous,i have just left them,they left us without body armour,ammo and weapons,we had to buy all our own equipment and scrounge it from other good companies and the military,then we were told to arrange our own transport home on leave,it was unbelievable,when these points were brought up we were ignored at all levels,from washinton to bagdad.they had in place teams of psd's from the usa who then left,then they had teams of psd's from france who then left,then they had teams of psd's from the uk who then left,does this not speak volumes.custer battles are only in it to gain as much cash as possable they definetely should not get the contract renewed in march they are dredfull in the way they conduct thier buisness,ps.to the previous "ranger" im glad you are happy mate but they are not anywhere as good as you make out,please do your research to find out whether what i have said is fact or fiction,yours T. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Duke 1 Posts Posted - 03/05/2004 : 18:48:48 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would like some additional info too - like tthrasher, I am/was considering some work for them...would like to hear more about what they are not doing well... Thanks D ScottK USA 4 Posts Posted - 03/13/2004 : 13:44:33 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any updates on this company? Email me if you don't want to post. susanskate USA 1 Posts Posted - 03/23/2004 : 14:07:09 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, I am a foreign correspondent for a major U.S. newspaper working on stories about problems with subcontractors in Iraq - if you have specific examples of any problems, or have worked for a subcontractor I would like to hear from you! Posted - 04/09/2004 : 20:01:12 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am a journalist for a UK paper reporting a story about a Custer Battles employee killed this week in an ambush near Hit. Would any Custer employees with relevant information please email me asap. Temps From Texas Half a world away, another group of unemployed workers can be found at recruiting sessions in Houston. The company has been posting flyers at truck stops and posting advertisements on the internet. Four out of five of the recruits who are invited to training sessions who worked at a now defunct JC Penny store will be sent to Iraq. Halliburton sends an average of 500 recruits a week. These men are not skilled. "They are unemployed and underemployed workers with few jobs in a U.S. economy that isn't producing many jobs," writes Russell Gold, a Wall Street Journal reporter. Gold interviewed men lining up for the training sessions, citing the example of one typical applicant whose previous job was transporting chickens for $12 an hour. But when they arrive in Iraq, their navy blue American passports earn them a tidy sum of money: between $7,000 and $8,000 a month, generous sums, even by American standards. CorpWatch asked company spokesperson Norcross why there is such a huge disparity based on nationality in the wages Halliburton pays in Iraq. "We will not discuss our specific wage structures. Our compensation packages and the compensation packages provided by our subcontractors are based on a wage scale that was recommended by the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq, and are competitive in terms of the local market," she wrote back. When I posed the same question to Army spokesperson Dowling, we got a more revealing answer. "These workers consider themselves fortunate to have jobs even if it means them traveling somewhere else. There is an army of companies that move from conflict to conflict with experience in setting up chow halls from an empty field to a 1,000 army camp in a matter of days. It's not an easy job and these guys are good at it. They bring their own people with them - people with experience in other military locations," Dowling explained. "The (salary) decision is not based on the value of his life but on the cost of training and equipping the workforce. Nor would it be right for the US Army to enforce US based salaries where no one else could match it. Life sometimes isn't fair," he concluded. I'm sure Al Rasheed waiters Muzaffar, Shahnawaz and Ali would agree. http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=9928 Get to know Halliburton During 2002 the Securities and Exchange Commission undertook an investigation of Halliburton's accounting practices, relating to events in 1998, which has not been completed. Halliburton's "current contract in Kuwait began in September 2002 when Joyce Taylor of the U.S. Army Materiel Command's Program Management Office, arrived to supervise approximately 1,800 Brown and Root employees to set up tent cities that would provide accommodation for tens of thousands of soldiers and officials."<8> The Center for Cooperative Research says "Manipulating U.S. foreign policy isn¹t the only strategy in Halliburton¹s repertoire of means to securing profits. Another method that has apparently proven extremely successful is doing business with the government and bidding on contracts financed by U.S. dominated bilateral and multilateral aid agencies. Although Dick Cheney had once lashed out at Joseph I. Lieberman saying that his success at Halliburton 'had absolutely nothing to do with' the government, the real facts have shown otherwise." Cooperative Research calls this practice corporate welfare. The organization gives a detailed listing of Halliburton's business dealings in this regard. http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Halliburton COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS Fifty-fifth session Item 5 of the provisional agenda THE RIGHT OF PEOPLES TO SELF-DETERMINATION AND ITS APPLICATION TO PEOPLES UNDER COLONIAL OR ALIEN DOMINATION OR FOREIGN OCCUPATION Report on the question of the use of mercenaries as a means of violating human rights and impeding the exercise of the right of peoples to self-determination, submitted by Mr. Enrique Bernales Ballesteros (Peru), Special Rapporteur pursuant to Commission resolution 1998/6 http://www.unhchr.ch/huridocda/huridoca.nsf/%28Symbol%29/E.CN.4.1999.1 ... REGULATING THE NEW PRIVATEERS: PRIVATE MILITARY SERVICE CONTRACTING AND THE MODERN MARQUE AND REPRISAL CLAUSE Matt Gaul http://faculty.lls.edu/~manheimk/ns/gaul2.htm INTERNATIONAL -- INT'L COVER STORY Outsourcing War An inside look at Brown & Root, the kingpin of America's new military-industrial complex Early on the morning of Aug. 5, a U.S. mail convoy pulled out of the airport in Baghdad and headed north. A U.S. Army Humvee bristling with weaponry led the way, followed by three heavily loaded trucks, each driven by a civilian employee of Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR). A second military Humvee brought up the rear. Near Tikrit, Saddam Hussein's hometown, a bomb detonated under one of the trucks. The military police pried its driver, Fred Bryant Jr., from the wreckage and raced him to a military field hospital. Bryant, 39, died en route, the first KBR combat casualty since the Texas contractor was founded in 1919. Bryant's death underscores the U.S. military's heavy reliance on private military companies, or PMCs, to wage war in Iraq. By most estimates, civilian contractors are handling as much as 20% to 30% of essential military support services in Iraq. Scores of PMCs are active all across the country, but KBR in particular has become indispensable to the global projection of American military might in this unsettled age. "It is no exaggeration to say that wherever the U.S. military goes, so goes Brown & Root," says P.W. Singer, a Brookings Institution fellow and author of Corporate Warriors. Widely known as Brown & Root, KBR is a unit of oil-services giant Halliburton Co. (HAL ) -- Dick Cheney's old company. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_37/b3849012.htm |
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