CNN breaking news Abu Ghraib being demolished

[Mari333]

no link yet

Lou Dobbs reported it at the end of his show..
Good riddance, Abu Ghraib...now I know why Michael is being sent south
and I hope the Iraqi people are built a monument and a shrine for what happened to them, and reparations...
we can start with Halliburtons profits paying the reparations.

[wtmusic]

1. smart

smart move by the admin. Got to hand it to them.

Leaked just in advance of the speech. This will be all the "substance".

[Alerter_]

50. destroy the evidence quickly, like the WTC and Oklahoma City

it's just a pattern - destroy the evidence as soon as possible.

[Dinger]

55. That's For Damn Sure

:nuke:

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

72. Let's see 'em Berg's DNA now!

.

[bobthedrummer]

82. That's SOP.

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.

[BlueEyedSon]

2. so, new (and undisclosed) location for torture....?

[Sticky]

3. Another soundbite

for bush's speech tonight. Grrr...

[mark414]

4. link

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&e=1&u=/nm/20040524/ts_nm/iraq_usa_prison_dc

[Mari333]

9. Maybe the Bush admin thinks

Out of sight out of mind..
I dont think so!
We have soldiers returning with horror stories.
Abu Ghraib is the tip of the iceberg.

[Mari333]

23. Read the article!! they are BLAMING ONLY THE SOLDIERS

and not blaming the Pentagon, or the top brass like Sanchez and the CIA torture cabal!
They will try and place the blame on only the soldiers..
Time for the military to tell Bush to get bent!

[Occulus]

29. They are, Mari...

they are.....

[arcane1]

5. destorying a crime scene, IMO

they say they are going to build a NEW prison in its place:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=570031

[Skip Intro]

33. My first thought as well

Is it ok to destroy a crime scene while investigations are ongoing?

Mabye I'm missing something.

[mom cat]

44. not to mention possible evidence in the Berg murder

[Beaker]

71. actually, they're going to build the new one first...

it'll be awhile before Halliburton gets around to the demolition part of the contract.

[TacticalPeek]

6. Boosh tonight: "Now that we have put this behind us . . . "

Like a fish.

[DenverDem]

11. Knock it down and haul it off, eliminating evidence.

Just the way they did the 9/11 reichstag fire site.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

22. Right.

Because what Lower Manhattan really needs is an enormous pile of smoldering toxic debris and human remains to be left sitting for months until we find out that, yup, it got hit by a plane.

[RC]

42. Yeah, but what brought the WTC buildings down?

Why did WTC7 collapse? The evidence got hauled off to Japan and China.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

51. Why did WTC7 collapse?

Angry, evil skyscraper gnomes.

[lightbulb]

58. gnomes make as much sense as anything else

WTC 7 was not hit by a plane, nor a significant amount of debris, nor was it subject to a fire sufficient to compromise its structural integrity. However, it collapsed straight down, almost completely within its own footprint. A lot of good investigative writing (along with some far fetched nonsense, admittedly) can be found by doing a google search for WTC7.

[DenverDem]

54. Nice apology for destroying evidence. You apologize for torture, too?

I've got some tinfoil you can shove.

[stickdog]

69. Hey, it was perfectly safe to go back to work the next day,

according to BushCo's EPA.

[leesa]

81. Ah yes, a kool-aid drinker! Why couldn't the evidence have been moved to

a different location for investigation instead of moved out of the country immediately for construction use??? No reason not to hold onto it for a real investigation...not a single reason in the world.

I for one would have liked to have known if there were explosives used during that demolition. Shrub's brother, Marvin, had all the time in the world to see they were planted, being in charge of security and all.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

83. That's just dumb.

>being in charge of security and all.

No, Marvin Bush was on the BOD of the company that *installed a security system* there. And, quite franky, if you believe that you can wire a building for demolition without being noticed, then you've not done your homework.

My father makes his living building bridges and other large steel/reinforced concrete structures (and occasionally assisting with destroying them.) Man, he and his cohorts get a kick out of you guys. No structural engineer or controlled demo expert I've ever spoken to has ever given any credence to this idea.

[Just Me]

7. I do hope they removed all the people first.

Assuming that they did,...I would join in a celebration of that demolition.

[burrowowl]

84. You gave me a good

laugh at dark humor, person after my own soul.
Yes. let us hope they remove the prisoners first. And free them, according to the Red Cross 70 to 90% are innocent.

[cal04]

8. US will destroy the infamous Abu Ghraib

The US will destroy the infamous Abu Ghraib prison with the approval of Iraqis, the White House has said.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1136684,00.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5032107/

[TacticalPeek]

12. Whew, thought they forgot to put an Iraqi face on it there for a minute.

AKA facade.

[bahrbearian]

15. Thank You,, I was worried,

Its to soon to destroy the evidence.

[BabsSong]

10. These clowns are not real obvious in their propaganda, are they??

Rates right up there with all the "coincidences" that always happen just in time to bail them out. Stay on top of this Kerry---don't let him dole out the Kool-Aid to the people without any interference this time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. How cute

destroying a crime scene and not letting the Iraqis decide on it?

Never mind they said we had to let them decide.

Chalk this to ANOTHER LIE.

Oh and on a personal note, I hope your kid comes home soon Mari

[wtmusic]

14. Thank God that's over with

now we can get back to...let's see, where were we...oh yes, torturing and abusing Iraqi prisoners...

[truthseeker1]

16. and does Halliburton have the contract to rebuild it?!

[LowerManhattanite]

19. "and does Halliburton have the contract to rebuild it?!"

You read my mind exactlly.

[bigtime]

49. probably a no-bid contract to tear it down

and then another no-bid contract to build it back. see, that would be a win-win!

[ze_dscherman]

17. Barf alert

"Under Saddam Hussein, prisons like Abu Ghraib were symbols of death and torture. That same prison became a symbol of disgraceful conduct by a few American troops who dishonored our country and disregarded our values," the statement said.

"America will fund the construction of a modern, maximum security prison. When that prison is completed, detainees at Abu Ghraib will be relocated.

"Then, with the approval of the Iraqi government, we will demolish the Abu Ghraib prison as a fitting symbol of Iraq's new beginning," it added.

http://news.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5241203

THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO SHAME

:argh:

On edit: Murika, exporting maximum security prisons, world wide. Coming to your country, very soon.

[Mari333]

27. Conduct of a few troops??

How about masterminds of Torture and Abuse in the CIA and Pentagon via Rumsfield and his hired mercenaries??
Gads!
Blame a few soldiers, and hide the big boys behind the curtain of lies who gave the orders!
The military will be really pissed off

[DS1]

37. Yeah, the old lighting really sucked for cameras and shooting movies

:eyes:

Gotta build a new place WITH OUR MONEY!!! CHA-CHING KBR!

[Rex]

75. If there is one thing America is good at it's building prisons.

nt

[leftofthedial]

18. there goes the Berg DNA evidence n/t

[truthseeker1]

35. I suspect you are right (nt)

[Minstrel Boy]

43. precisely

That's one Standard Operating Procedure that's never stood down.

[leftofthedial]

61. just like the WTC

haul it off before anyone starts to look too closely.

[Miss Authoritiva]

20. So typical of Bush: Taking a deeply principled stand

one year too late and one hour before a speech. Do you think he'll be announcing the restoration of Geneva Convention status to "enemy combatants?" Do you think Rove focus-grouped the idea with "the base?"

[dArKeR]

21. Stupid! It could house farm animals and be put to use! Take the locks

off and make it a home for Iraqi amputees. When it's safe, I'll help turn it into an English school and I'll volunteer to teach Iraqia English.

Just as I said the second Bush gave the orders to destroy everything Saddam; STUPID. What right did Bush have to destroy Iraqi property? I also read that the Soviet Union citizens are sorry they destroyed Communist things because they realized what a great tourists attraction/income generator they could be.

aWol, nothing but a bunch of Repuke idiots with no plan and no idea what they have done or are doing.

[goclark]

24. Stop! Get ALL Evidence 1st

Please don't let them do this before they check every bit of evidence.
What can we do?

[StephNW4Clark]

25. Shouldn't they ask the Iraqis what they want done with that prison?

I mean, if we're handing over sovereignty in 5 weeks, shouldn't we let them make decisions about how they want to handle this scandal that happened to them?

[dArKeR]

26. U.S. will tear down Abu Ghraib prison - MSGOP - Look at this pic! SATAN

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5032107/

Karpinski looks like Satan.

[ze_dscherman]

30. Interesting twist in that story you linked to

Looks like they prepare the public that some very ugly stories may leak about Guantanamo torture methods:

"New focus on Cuba prison
Meanwhile, the Navy’s inspector general has recommended a more in-depth look at prisoners’ treatment at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, saying that while conditions there are good now, they could have been different earlier.

Prisoners captured in the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan after the 2001 terrorist attacks in the United States began arriving at Guantanamo Bay on Jan. 11, 2002. The focus was on extracting as much information as possible as quickly as possible from those who were thought to have knowledge of planned terrorist attacks.

It is unclear whether the interrogation methods used in those circumstances might have evolved into the techniques reported in Iraq and whether they in some way led to the abuse at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison.

Vice Adm. Albert T. Church, the Navy’s inspector general, told reporters after he visited Guantanamo Bay this month that he had found conditions to be professional and humane. But he also said his visit was too short to look further into the past for possible abuses.

"

[Zhade]

48. Jesus! She DID freak me out!

Egads, that's a frightening picture!

[dArKeR]

66. Here's one of Whore Russert that's almost the same

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/31/national/main590831.shtml

[spanone]

28. Too little Too late

[loftycity]

40. Like always--the whole cabal is so,so behind the curve

They can't even get their PR propaganda timing down. Idiots....
Tearing down that prison should of been the plan before the invaded Iraq; Winning Hearts & Minds--another PR blunder bust.

[DoYouEverWonder]

31. This is called destroying the evidence

This is a crime scene and just like the WTC, they want to cart off the evidence as soon as possible. They think that will solve their problems.


BTW: Hi Mari333, good to see you back. :hi:

[leftchick]

38. agreed DYEW...

these assholes do nothing without a benefit for themselves....

[Spazito]

32. This is typical...

"Then, with the approval of the Iraqi government, we will demolish the Abu Ghraib prison as a fitting symbol of Iraq's new beginning," it added.

Which Iraqi government? The bush appointed ass-kissers? It is up to the Iraqi people to decide what should happen to that place of torture not bush and his cabal.

[daleo]

34. Two things come to mind

1 - If the Berg murder was black ops, done by the CIA or military intelligence in Abu Ghraib, it would be awfully convenient to not have a building left to compare with the video.

2 - Bush will now have a chance to build state of the art facilities, with all the most up to date torture and coercion tactics available. I would guess that would include soundproof rooms, isolation chambers, sensory deprivation rooms, noise rooms for sleep deprivation, environmental control (heat, cold, humidity), medical monitoring, etc. It will be a real hi-tech hell. Oh yeah...everyone will be screened for the presence of unauthorized cameras.

On edit - as someone else mentioned, this also gets rid of DNA evidence.

[DoYouEverWonder]

41. I guess KBG will get the no bid contract?

n/t

[DemonFighterLives]

74. You had my ideas

A brand spanking new state of the art interrogation/torture establishment. Equipped with camera detectors.
Throw the old haunted prison down the Memory Hole and let's get back to business.
Bush is not the hero for the Iraqi's that he pretends to be. It would be nice to interrogate him in the Haque.

[Bluebear]

36. Destroy that evidence, George!

[teryang]

39. All symbol and no substance

...this regime is big on the superficial and short on performance. For a public which has difficulty fathoming what goes on in this government, destruction of a building will be very meaningful stuff. Certainly more meaningful than bringing the fascist culprits at the top to justice.

[Eric J in MN]

45. Easy answer. No new laws. No new oversight. Just blame a building.

nt

[Pachamama]

46. Wrong to Demolish!!! Should stand as a monument & reminder to the ...

...people of Iraq and the world as a Museum and Monument (similar to the Concentration Camps of the Nazis) to remind everyone of the dangers of anyone who wields power and tyranny, no matter who they are.

Bush just wants to destroy evidence so people do forget...about us - but they won't...

[daleo]

47. The evil building meme, from another thread

The building was so encrusted with Saddamian evil that it infected our fine boys and girls, leading them to do things that no American could ever contemplate otherwise. Even with all the effort in the world to clean it up and make it presentable, this evil building still managed to seduce our wonderful troops into doing its malignant bidding.

It is time for this building to own up and show a little personal responsibility. Thus, the building must be condemned and executed, cleansing the U.S. military of this unfortunate stain on its honor.

I remember some town tried and sentenced a rogue circus elephant once. They used a crane and chains to hang it. This makes about as much sense.

[saracat]

52. What AHoles!

As though the building itself were to blame. We won't convict the people who approved the abuse but we can knock down a building.And what gives us the right to demolish it anyway. doesn't it belong to the Iraqis?

[jpgray]

53. I never got this idea--the building wasn't the problem, the behavior was

Maybe I'm just not up for symbolic atonement? :shrug:

[Generator]

62. Well yes exactly

Sure tear down the palace of horrors, but unless you make sure the ones that made it a horror are not being told/permitted/ignored/to do those things in a building down the street, it means nothing.

[Ksec]

56. close the barn door

after the cows escaped

[progressivebydesign]

57. Gosh.. isn't Halliburton into prison building? How convenient. N/T

[Beaker]

68. just when they thought they had covered all the graft opportunities-

another one presents itself.
open up your wallets, ffolkes:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5032107

"America will fund the construction of a modern, maximum-security prison. When that prison is completed, detainees at Abu Ghraib will be relocated. Then, with the approval of the Iraqi government, we will demolish the Abu Ghraib prison as a fitting symbol of Iraq’s new beginning,” it added.

[symbolman]

59. Calling

Stephan King?

We have a building movie for you..

[Spazito]

60. Some thoughts on this...

First, this is not going to happen soon meanwhile the Iraqi detainees are still there and cameras of any kind are now banned. Nothing has changed there.

If, and I say again, if this place of torture is torn down, it will not be the taxpayers that will pay for it, as in everything else, the US will renege on this.

This was a hollow empty statement meant to hit the wires to bolster bush's hollow empty speech.

[crossroads]

64. Good thoughts!

Really was a hollow statement for the press.
:kick:

[crossroads]

63. Outta sight...... outta mind!

:kick:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

65. "We've put and end to the rape rooms and torture chambers of Saddam".

"They're being thoroughly renovated and equipped with all the newest and greatest!"

[JDPriestly]

67. They want to get rid of the evil Feng Shui

So the abuses weren't due to the people or this administration's disrespect for human rights, there was something evil about Abu Ghraib -- evil Feng Shui. Tearing it down will change everything. Sure.

[stickdog]

70. Just imagine if Hitler had thought of this.

Now you see Holocaust! Now you don't!

[nolabels]

77. That could be another interesting story

Try this story on for while (I am not presumptuous of it, but these posters are)

WHY DID THE NAZIS FORGET TO COVER-UP THE HOLOCAUST?
by XXXX • Thursday April 22, 2004 at 01:43 AM

Why did the Germans not destroy the concentration camp records? Why did the Germans not make the concentration camps "just disappear"? These questions and more, to be answered in this article.

The Diminishing Numbers of
Alleged Dead in Auschwitz
(snip)
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/128847_comment.php

The Other Holocaust :
Nanjing Massacre,
Unit 731, Unit 100, Unit 516
Angry at the Japanese atrocities in Nanjing during WWII, German diplomat George Rosen sent Magee's film to Nazi government and requested film be shown to Hitler to prove that Japanese army was a "Violent Killing Machine".
(snip)
From July 1993 to Dec. 1994, the "Unit 731 Exhibition" toured Japan and presented at 61 locations over the course of one and half year. It had sent shockwaves throughout Japan. Hal Gold had collected many testimonies in his book "Unit 731: Testimony; Japan's Wartime Human Experimentation and the Post-War Cover-Up". One of the testimonies was provided by an aged former Japanese doctor Kurumizawa Masakuni :

The Chinese woman victim had regained her consciousness while being vivisected.
" She opened her eyes. "
" And then ? "
" She hollered. "
" What did she say ? "
Kurumizawa could not answer, then began weeping feebly and murmured,
" I don't want to think about it again. "
The interviewee apologized, waited a few seconds, and tried again for an answer.
He gave it though sobs.
" She said, " It's all right to kill me, but please spare my child's life. "

Japanese Dr. Kanisawa testified in NBC Dateline "Factory of Death: Unit 731" in Aug. 15, 1995, the live un-anesthetized dissection was a routine common practice in all units, including unit 731.

"The 1st time, I was very hesitant to do what I was told to do.
The 2nd time, you get used to it.
The 3rd time, you more or less volunteered."

The research program was one of the great secrets of Japan during and after World War II : a vast project to develop weapons of biological warfare including following deadly diseases :
(snip)
http://www.skycitygallery.com/japan/japan.html#unit731

[Rex]

73. The BFEE is covering up a crime scene by demolishing the building.

They also did it to the WTC site. You can't have a crime without evidence.

[psychopomp]

76. Predictable, wasn't it?

But, they will reap the bitter harvest in the end. Truth will out!

[Disturbed]

78. A magic trick?

Build a new place and people will see it and not be reminded of the old place?

Bushco gets more insane each day. This is what happens when the American people get stuck with a brain damaged, shallow, dolt.

[leesa]

79. Ah yes, destroy crime scene evidence...just like they did at WTC

after 9-11. One would think our government doesn't want to get to the bottom of this.

[nolabels]

80. "the bottom of this"

http://data2.itc.nps.gov/parkphotos/grca3592%2Ejpg

"you see it took Mother Nature millions of years to burrow this deep" (guide chuckles)"but with Bushco as your engineer it would only take a couple weeks"

http://www.nps.gov/grca/

[JCMach1]

85. the new one will have metal detectors for cameras

:(

[arwalden]

86. What To Demolish Next? The White House?