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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:27 PM
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Afghan Deaths Linked to Unit at Iraq Prison
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/24/politics/24ABUS.html

WASHINGTON, May 23 — A military intelligence unit that oversaw interrogations at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq was also in charge of questioning at a detention center in Afghanistan where two prisoners died in December 2002 in incidents that are being investigated as homicides.

For both of the Afghan prisoners, who died in a center known as the Bagram Collection Point, the cause of death listed on certificates signed by American pathologists included blunt force injuries to their legs. Interrogations at the center were supervised by Company A, 519th Military Intelligence Battalion, which moved on early in 2003 to Iraq, where some of its members were assigned to the Joint Interrogation and Debriefing Center at Abu Ghraib. Its service in Afghanistan was known, but its work at Bagram at the time of the deaths has now emerged in interviews with former prisoners, military officials and from documents.

Two men arrested with one of the prisoners who died in the Bagram Detention Center that month said in southeastern Afghanistan on Sunday that they were tortured and sexually humiliated by their American jailers; they said they were held in isolation cells, black hoods were placed over their heads, and their hands at times were chained to the ceiling. "The 10 days that we had was a very bad time," said Zakim Shah, a 20-year-old farmer and a father of two who said he felt he would not survive at times. "We are very lucky." The account provided by the two men was consistent with those of other former Afghan prisoners, including those interviewed by The New York Times and cited in reports by human rights officials.

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At least one officer, Capt. Carolyn A. Wood, served in supervisory positions at the interrogation units both at the Bagram Collection Point from July 2002 to December 2003 and then again at the joint center at Abu Ghraib, according to Army officials. That center was established in the fall of 2003. In Congressional testimony last week, a senior Army lawyer, Col. Marc Warren, praised Captain Wood as an officer who took initiative in Iraq at a time when American commanders had yet to spell out rules for interrogation. But he also singled out Captain Wood and her unit as having brought to Iraq interrogation procedures developed during their service in Afghanistan. No one is known to have accused Captain Wood of any wrongdoing in connection with the abuses at Abu Ghraib or the deaths of prisoners there or in Afghanistan.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:44 PM
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1. Sounds Like Capt. Wood Is A Good Place To Start Climbing Up...
the Chain of Command.

Wood
Sanchez
Rumsfeld
Cheney
Bush

Feel free to fill in the blanks.

:shrug:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:52 PM
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2. Don't forget
Myers
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:57 PM
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3. Yep... And Miller !!!
:hi:
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 09:40 AM
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4. and Kimmitt is in there
somewhere.

:grr:
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 09:42 AM
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6. and the other one, now in AZ...Barbara? can't remember her last name nt
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 09:45 AM
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7. isn't it "Barbara Fast"? .......... eom
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 09:49 AM
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9. yes, thanks
my brain is having a hard time keeping track of all the names :crazy:
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 09:46 AM
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8. And "the Geneva Conventions are Obsolete" Gonzalez
Culture of corruption that goes to the very top. Does anyone doubt that if Clinton were President he already be impeached and awaiting trial by the Senate?
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 09:50 AM
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10. Don't forget Wolfie and Perle and the rest of the PNAC
fellow travelers, such as Bill Kristol.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 09:53 AM
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11. Myers is 'staff' ... not in the formal chain of command.
"Chief of staff" is meant literally. A 'staff officer' is an adviser/assistant to someone within the chain of command.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 09:59 AM
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12. kind of like Colin Powell's position during My Lai?
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/My-Lai-massacre

Cover-up

Initial investigations of My Lai were undertaken by the 11th Brigade's CO, Col Oran Henderson, under orders from Americal's Ass't CO, BG Young.

Six months later a young soldier of the 11th Light Infantry (The Butcher's Brigade) named Tom Glen, wrote a letter accusing the Americal division (and other entire units of the US military, not just individuals) of routine brutality against Vietnamese civilians; the letter was detailed, its allegations horrifying, and its contents echoed complaints received from other soldiers. Colin Powell, then a young US Army Major, was charged with investigating the massacre. Powell wrote: "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." Later, Powell's refutation would be called an act of "white-washing" the news of the Massacre, and questions would continue to remain undisclosed to the public.

Independent investigative journalist Seymour Hersh broke the My Lai story on November 12, 1969 and on November 20 The Plain Dealer (Cleveland) published explicit photographs of dead villagers killed at My Lai. The carnage at My Lai would have gone unknown in history if not for another soldier who, independent of Glen, sent a letter to his Congressman.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 01:13 PM
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13. looks like Karpinski is going to go down, too
but who will she take with her???
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 09:40 AM
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5. kick
Capt.Wood is going to be the one that takes Sanchez down.
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