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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 03:22 AM
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Bush to launch new anti-Kerry ad blitz
ARLINGTON, Va. — President Bush's campaign will accuse Sen. John Kerry of "playing politics with national security" in a TV ad assault that begins next week

Bush will replace his other ads with one attacking Kerry's stance on the USA Patriot Act. Bush also begins weekly speeches Monday to detail steps leading up to the June 30 transfer of sovereignty in Iraq.

Both moves are part of a strategy to remind voters that the fighting in Iraq is part of a broader war on terrorism that will prevent attacks in the USA. Despite recent bad news from Iraq, Bush strategists believe his stewardship of the war on terrorism is one of his biggest political assets. Bush's speech Monday will be at the Army War College at Carlisle Barracks, Pa.

Matthew Dowd, chief strategist for the Bush campaign, says the ad is "another opportunity for us to say Sen. Kerry is way out on the extreme on his views on the Patriot Act and another example of his lack of core principles."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-05-20-bush-new-ads_x.htm

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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 03:27 AM
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1. How can anyone
be MORE EXTREME re: the Patriot Act than BUSH???

I hope this backfires in a big way.. who the hell WANTS the Patriot act in the first place?

stupid propaganda is the worst of all..

I think they are reaching the self fulfilling Bullshittin factor, saw this happen with Reagan people - it's where they repeat their lines and cliches so much that they begin to lose meaning altogether and begin to sound like IDIOTS, completely out of touch with joe sixpack..

Dear Kerry Camp.. PLEASE let ME go after these clowns with advertising, PLEASE?

http://www.takebackthemedia.com
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 03:43 AM
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4. Sounds to me like this is ripe for backfire.
His holy-roller supporters will drink it in and continue to think he's god's gift. Can't see the independents or swing voters buying it though. And the rest of us can just laugh at the money he's wasting. Kerry will start gaining soon without doing much of anything because Bush will continue to be his own worst enemy, especially as he gets more desperate.
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DavidMS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:24 AM
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37. Concidering April... I am just not too worried
In April ShrubCo spent $30 million on add buys and that only temporarly arrested his plunge in the polls. I welcome his efforts to irresponsibly waste his donor's money.
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leftistagitator Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 03:31 AM
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2. Media whores
"Both moves are part of a strategy to remind voters that the fighting in Iraq is part of a broader war on terrorism that will prevent attacks in the USA."

Remind them of that? Neither of the 2 assertions listed there are true, so how can voters be reminded of them? Way to repeat *s talking points as if they were facts USA today.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 09:55 AM
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35. Repeat a lie often enough...
Edited on Fri May-21-04 09:56 AM by KevinJ
...and it becomes the "truth." At least that's what the shrub is counting on, since his shot at a second term in office is riding on the public swallowing that load of crap.
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 03:33 AM
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3. I love it!
Do they realize how desperate they look? Jeez Louise. I'm so glad Kerry has been airing positive ads. Aside from the most mindless freepers, voters will see that he has nothing to show for his 4 years as pResident. Attacking Kerry over the WoT which he has completely FUBAR - great plan!
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 03:56 AM
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5. Kerry needs to run some negative ads on Bush - he's being too Al Gore!
People like attack ads, come on Kerry. It's time to slam Bush!
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 04:07 AM
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6. I've seen plenty of attack ads on Bush here in FL
Edited on Fri May-21-04 04:17 AM by seasat
I'd like to see more of course but Kerry is right running the positive ads. Move on and others have been running the attack ads. The League of Conservation Voters just ran a great ad here talking about Bush's intention to drill for oil off the coast. It shows a huge oil spill poring out from a rig disaster. It will appeal to even righties since they know that Florida's economy depends on unspoilt beaches. On another note, have y'all ever noticed how right wingers suddenly agree with those of us on the left when it affects them personally?

Added on edit:

This line is interesting:

Despite recent bad news from Iraq, Bush strategists believe his stewardship of the war on terrorism is one of his biggest political assets.

They consider a quagmire in Iraq and a deteriorating situation in Afghanistan a strong point? I guess you can't run on I gave tax cuts to the rich, gutted environmental regulation, had the first net job losses since Hoover, and blew trillions in budget surpluses. ;)
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:21 AM
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16. I disagree. Let groups allied to the Kerry campaign run the negative...
...attack ads while Kerry stays above the fray while continuing to hammer Junior and the NeoCons on the issues.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 04:10 AM
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7. Bring 'em On! nt
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 05:00 AM
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8. The first ones did so much for him....

Knock yourself out, George.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 05:13 AM
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9. Hah
The nightly news is running better attack ads against Bush than Kerry ever could!

The thing is though all they have to do is show pictures out of IRaq.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 05:33 AM
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11. Like Jon Stewart said, "the facts are biased"
It's funny watching how pathetic the attempts at spin have become.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 05:23 AM
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10. These will backfire
Edited on Fri May-21-04 05:25 AM by depakote_kid
because they'll alienate people are already primed by everything from the torture photos to massive deficeit spending to undeniable inflation.

If the ads are anything like they've been described, they'll smack of hubris and do much more harm than good- especially with casualties about to escallate again.

Let him preach to the choir... it's getting smaller every day. The more money they spend, the better. It's money flushed right down the media toilet... and if the Kerry folks are smart, they'll have responses ready for every one of the "speeches" and use their free 15-30 seconds of airtime for snappy comments that initiate debate-
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:25 AM
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17. The negative press that the NeoCons have been getting recently,...
...and will continue to get until Election Day, will overpower any NeoCon ad campaign. Their latest $50 million ad campaign did nothing to halt the sliding numbers of the Fratboy Fuhrer.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:18 AM
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24. "Let him preach to the choir... it's getting smaller every day."
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 05:38 AM
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12. Its pretty obvious
negativity is ALL our regime has to offer as they have NOTHING positive to run on. Hopefully this will be seen through by most voters.
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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 06:48 AM
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13. Bush is such a loser..
Its amazing that this idiot can spend so much money funding personal attacks. I wonder what kind of good that amount of cash could do?

Attacking Kerry? It makes me want to pull a page from the conservative playbook and say "Its all they have" because on the issues, we know where Bush stands and so does the voting public. Take a look at those poll numbers for a clue.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:09 AM
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14. Quick... someone ask bush if he knows what "stewardship" means. n/t
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:18 AM
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15. The more the NeoCons spend now, the less they will have available...
...during crunch time following the conventions.

To date, their ad campaigns haven't been real effective, primarily because so much negative press has been hitting them from all sides. IMHO, I think we've only seen the beginning of the enormous pile of negative press that the NeoCons will have written about them between now and Election Day.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:27 AM
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19. They can get money just like they get votes...
whenever they need it.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:30 AM
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25. That's true ONLY if the donors feel like they're getting their money's....
...worth.

If you were an active donor to Junior's parade wouldn't you be getting a little bit concerned about Junior's chances these days? Would you be willing to throw more money into what appears to be a gaping black hole?

Personally, I think I would be having some real solid second thoughts, particularly as more of the prison torture stories reach the public at large.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:26 AM
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18. Time for Kerry to show some courage....
He doesn't know what the polls say. But, screw the polls on this issue. He must know in his heart that the people, Democrats and Repubs, distrust the Patriot Act. He needs to have the couraget to say that George W Bush can have the Patriot Act but when he is elected, most of the Patriot Act will be repealed! He needs to challenge Bush on this. It's a winner for him.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:40 AM
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20. I agree
A more conservative friend of mine says he would vote for whoever calls for the Patriot Act to be repealed. It's a win-win situation, and I hope this backfires on Bush.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:44 AM
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27. Have you bothered to check John Kerry's website? You might....
...discover that he is ALREADY addressing the Patriot Act:

<http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/100days/civil_liberties.html>

Excerpt:

"Kerry believes that Ashcroft has violated civil liberties and abused his authority with invasions of privacy without justification, holding detainees indefinitely without cause, and refusing to provide information on how his Department is using the new authorities granted in the wake of 9/11. Specifically, John Kerry will outline that he will:

Stop indefinitely detaining American citizens and give basic rights to those detained.

Strengthen terrorism laws that work, including sharing information with local law enforcement.

Stop unreasonable sneak and peek searches, and ensure that there are reasonable safeguards on the use of roving wiretaps and the seizing of library and business records.

Assuring that terrorism laws are used to combat terrorism and not in ordinary criminal cases, such as to send the FBI to churches or anti-war demonstrations or to help a political cause.

Assuring government is transparent and information is available so that Congress and the public can hold the Justice Department accountable."


There's quite a bit more...why don't you read it?
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:01 AM
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21. If we don't see Kerry authorizing response ads he deserves whatever
drop in the polls he gets.

When will the Dems relearn what Clinton knew? The only way to beat the rethugs is to respond immediately and give more than you get. That's why he won two terms in office, that's how he turned impeachment 180 degrees around into a net gain. Not learning that same lesson contributed to Gore's "loss."

Have the Gore people running Kerry's campaign learned yet? We'll see.

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:52 AM
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29. Kerry doesn't have to respond to anything personally...
...in fact, that's exactly what the NeoCons want Kerry to do. The minute that Kerry personally responds to the NeoCon attack ads is the minute that he will be in danger of losing his lead.

There are quite a few groups allied with the Kerry Campaign that are actively involved with fighting the NeoCons in the trenches, to include the use of counterattack and attack ads. They also have the money to do so, and that has not always been the case in past elections.

IMHO, Kerry needs to stay above the trench-level of political discourse so that the bulk of the American people without access to the Internet will see a man with real presidential qualities that can actually speak in public about the major issues. Believe me, that image is scoring points with the public, along with the fact that so many negative stories about the NeoCons are now reaching the mainstream media.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 09:10 AM
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32. Move On, the Media Fund, et. al. attacks are not what I'm talking about
Those are well and good, but Kerry needs to call Chimp on his negative ads, refute them and punch back. The risk avereness that pervades your post is exactly the same risk averseness patented by the advisors that weakened Gore and now work for Kerry.

People don't mind when people defend themselves--in fact, they want their leaders to defend themselves. No one would accuse Kerry of playing gutterball for an ad that begins, "I'm John Kerry and I authorized this message to set the record straight..."

Clinton totally neitralized the GOP attacks, made them think twice about the response before they attacked, and won. Gor let surrogates handle the low road and, ell, we all know what happened.



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Bozvotros Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:03 AM
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22. Another fresh steaming crock
Nobody has played politics with national security more than the Chimp. Right from the start they were playing it. From selling photos of him on AF1 throgh the cavalcade of war lies, color coded hokum, fake turkey photo ops, outing of Plame, the use of dead firemen on his ads and constant referrals to himself as the war president, noone has been more determined to use national security as a political tool. This will backfire.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:09 AM
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23. THIS IS PROOF THEY ARE DESPARATE!!!
You absolutely do not want to do more negative ads then you have to.
They have gotten no traction in the polls!!! BUSH IS GOING DOWN!!!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:36 AM
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26. trashing a war hero
all Kerry has to do is talk about his friendship with John McCain, and people will see that Bush is trying to do to Kerry what he did to Cleland. Might work in Georgia, but that's about it.

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:47 AM
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28. And Kerry Will Continue to Run Positive Ads and Bush Will Lose Another 5
Edited on Fri May-21-04 08:55 AM by Beetwasher
points.

Rove is a moron. I've said this since day one. He's a ham fisted thug who only knows ATTACK!

The public is already sick of it. You can't pull this shit off when you're approval ratings are in the shitter and nobody trusts you anymore.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:53 AM
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30. Bingo. Well said.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:58 AM
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31. Too stupid
to realize that by doing so they too play politics with this issue.
Look. Isn't just about the whole enchalada open during the political season?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 09:24 AM
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33. A Must Ad for Kerry...
Depicting a monarch dressed in a red, ermine trimmed, floor length robe carrying a scepter wearing a (tipped) crown seated on his throne reading off a very long list of names of Americans designated by King George as enemy combatants. Soldiers dressed in chain mail carrying spears escorting raggedy groups of Americans to the dungeons.

Voice Over stating, GWBush has asked the court for extraordinary powers to send you away if you dare to exercise your first amendment right to "dissent."
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 09:41 AM
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34. So just what is it that the repukes want to say?
Are they going to say that Kerry is anti-security or pro-security?After all, they tried to make a big deal out of him voting for the Iraq resolution.

Geez, the GOP is the most confused, wishy-washy, flip-flopping group of idiots I've ever seen.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:37 AM
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39. asaics...they really have nothing...
They will try to spin a lie into a bigger more believable lie. Thats all.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 09:57 AM
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36. We're going to be hearing the Bush talking points a lot
The whole lot of the GOP whores will be all over the media all parroting "playing politics with national security." It's an integrated marketing campaign -- combining advertising and public relations.

I hope the public is starting to see through these phonies. The problem is advertising and PR can be very effective.

Kerry is doing well in fund raising. He needs all of the funds he can muster to mount a successful campaign and counter Bush's propaganda.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:34 AM
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38. Mr. Incompetence Changes the Subject.
With scandal all about, Bush attacks the other guy. SO typical.

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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:52 AM
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40. If you can't run on a positive record of your own, trash the other guy
I guess that's what's happening here.
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