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LauraK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:01 AM
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Billionaire Soros commits $10 million to defeat Bush
By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (August 8, 7:23 a.m. ADT) - Making a major foray into partisan politics, multibillionaire George Soros is committing $10 million to a new Democratic-leaning group aimed at defeating President Bush next year.

Soros, who in the past has donated on a smaller scale to Democratic candidates and the party, pledged the money to a political action committee called America Coming Together, spokesman Michael Vachon said Friday. ..

"The fate of the world depends on the United States, and President Bush is leading us in the wrong direction," Soros said in a written statement. "ACT is an effective way to mobilize civil society, to convince people to go to the polls and vote for candidates who will reassert the values of the greatest open society in the world."

More here
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:01 AM
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1. sounds good!
: )
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:58 PM
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31. Does anyone have an e-mail address for Mr Soros?
Good Lord, someone has answered our prayers. I would love to send him a thank you!

Now, if we can get Mr. Soros to go after Arnold...
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 04:07 PM
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49. Open Society Institute in NYC.
Maybe Soros can be contacted there.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 09:21 PM
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67. Soros.org -
I'd like to thank the man too! Here's a start
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:02 AM
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2. Awesome. nt
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iam Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:06 AM
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3. Good? It's great!
When billionaires start giving millions of dollars to defeat Dumbya, others will follow.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:08 AM
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4. This makes me very happy.
We need this, possibly they can spread the news since no one else seems to.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:12 AM
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5. George Soros is my new hero!
Damn, it's great to have him on our side.

:loveya:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:30 AM
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14. mine too, Pastiche
this is great news.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:13 AM
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6. Dup?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:14 AM
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7. Soros is in the carlyle group
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:22 AM
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12. so........ it's a hostile takeover?
:)
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:38 AM
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19. Carlyle Group
ElsewheresDaughter, do you have any data on that. Love to read
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:10 PM
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27. Google it.
While Carlyle is a private equity investment firm, various information (of varying degrees of veracity) has been made public. George Soros's stake of about $100 million in the Carlyle Group seems to be based primarily on a Hoover's Online report, and has been repeated in many places, with and without attribution, including Disinfopedia.

I guess I'd wonder how any "multibillionaire" could actually avoid having assets in such a large firm. It's not like someone could (or would) keep their billions in mayonnaise jars buried in a churchyard. :shrug:


When conversations, as they seem to inevitably do, devolve into some argument about the "saint" vs. "demon" of the person rather than merely agreeing or disagreeing with the specific behavior, we're wasting our time. It's exactly this kind of habit that characterizes a "cult of personality." Rather than the continual "My daddy can beat up your daddy" kind of spewage, couldn't we keep our focus on the issues?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 03:06 PM
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41. He invested some money
in the Carlyle Group but is not a part of gang. He hates junior and the horse he rode in on.
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lightbulb Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 03:24 PM
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45. Wonder what Bush Sr. thinks of all this
Anyone heard from Daddy recently?

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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:14 AM
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8. Times that by twenty, please...
George Soros can afford more than that! But it's a good start. He could really help save the republic.
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:15 AM
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9. George Soros is a brilliant man and
realizes the impact of Dubya's isolationist and economic policies on the economies of the world.



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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:18 AM
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10. Buying a cable channel would do more for ousting Bush than another org.
Let him buy MSNBC from GE...They could use the extra cash. Turn it into a liberal competitor for Faux since that's the waythese media think today Liberal vs. Conservative.........and then he would see how fast new voters would turn up.

Where are issues even given a chance for a good debate or honest discussion?

This sounds good but I will wait and see what really comes out of it. Not much, probably. Give it to Move On.org. They are doing a great job......instead he wants his own organization. Probably to help the DLC...
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treepig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:09 PM
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33. unfortunately, a liberal cable tv station
might not work for the same reason liberal talk radi is a non-starter. there's a good synopsis of this issue (albeit with a focus on conservative talk radio) in a recent new yorker:

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/?030811ta_talk_hertzberg

here's a bit . . .

The main obstacle, probably, is neither financial nor ideological but temperamental. Remember the old joke about politics being show business for ugly people? Well, right-wing radio is niche entertainment for the spiritually unattractive. It succeeds because a substantial segment of the right-wing rank and file enjoys listening, hour after hour, as smug, angry, disdainful middle-aged men spew raw contempt at reified enemies, named and unnamed. The radiocons seldom offer analysis or argument. To the chronically resentful, they offer the sadistic consolation of an endless sneer—at weaklings, victim-group whiners, cultural snobs, Hollywood hypocrites whose hearts bleed for the downtrodden though they themselves are rich and privileged, feminists, environmentalists, and, of course, “liberals,” defined as the Clintons, other members of the “Democrat Party,” and persons suspected of thinking that the state ought to help correct for various kinds of unfairnesses or calamities (economic, racial, climatic, medical) or of attaching themselves to some identity other than or in addition to “American” (black, gay, foreign, all humanity).

By contrast, most noncons—most people, for that matter—do not regard politics as entertainment. They regard it as politics. They wouldn’t think it was fun to listen to expressions of raw contempt for conservatives—oh, maybe for a little while now and then, just as some occasionally tune in Limbaugh to give themselves a masochistic thrill or to raise their blood pressure, but not long and often enough to sustain an industry.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:58 PM
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40. Proof you are wrong about liberal media, treepig
Gore has shared their frustration. In an interview last December with the New York Observer, he described the conservative outlets as a "fifth column" within the media ranks that injects "daily Republican talking points into the definition of what's objective."

"The media is kind of weird these days on politics, and there are some major institutional voices that are, truthfully speaking, part and parcel of the Republican Party," Gore said. "Fox News Network, The Washington Times , Rush Limbaugh — there’s a bunch of them, and some of them are financed by wealthy ultra-conservative billionaires who make political deals with Republican administrations and the rest of the media."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,459345,00.html
http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=6665

The Internet might soon be the last place where open dialogue occurs. One of the most dangerous things that has happened in the past few years is the deregulation of media ownership rules that began in 1996. Michael Powell and the Bush FCC are continuing that assault today (see the June 2nd ruling).

The danger of relaxing media ownership rules became clear to me when I saw what happened with the Dixie Chicks. But there’s an even bigger danger in the future, on the Internet. The FCC recently ruled that cable and phone based broadband providers be classified as information rather than telecommunications services. This is the first step in a process that could allow Internet providers to arbitrarily limit the content that users can access. The phone and cable industries could have the power to discriminate against content that they don’t control or-- even worse-- simply don’t like.

The media conglomerates now dominate almost half of the markets around the country, meaning Americans get less independent and frequently less dependable news, views and information. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson spoke of the fear that economic power would one day try to seize political power. No consolidated economic power has more opportunity to do this than the consolidated power of media

Posted by Howard Dean at 06:31 PM
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/000683.html

Why Isn't Randi Rhodes Syndicated? The Dilemma of a Liberal Talk Show Host.

RHODES: Oh, I am so glad you asked. I am a ratings and revenue queen. Number 1 or 2 in the ratings usually. So what are the "mainstream" talking about? Well, they say Liberals don't make money because no one wants to hear them. Okay, let's think.

First, remember that more Americans are registered or identify themselves as Democrats than Republicans. So here's the dirty little secret of news talk. There are advertisers making huge "buys" on really low rated shows that air nationally. If advertisers only go where the listeners are why do they buy cable news, Oliver North, or Rush Limbaugh who has horrible ratings?

They are buying CONTROL of CONTENT. It's leverage, whether it's radio, cable or network. They control millions of dollars of any company's revenue source. So that if something is said or done to disrupt their global business, they take their advertising elsewhere, or threaten to and then shut down the message.

And, think about this . . . how many products are on TV that you can't even buy? Plastics, computer chips, prescription drugs, soybeans. I mean honestly. This is the story that NEVER gets told. People just think, "Well, if your good enough, you'll have a big audience and that's what advertisers want." "Whose being naïve now Kaye?" I am always number one or two in the market. Rush is somewhere around 21st. I replaced G. Gordon Liddy!

I hope this gets told over and over because it is how they control our news, our Information Awareness. Get it?

BUZZFLASH: Explain the allegations that Rush Limbaugh has stated, that if Clear Channel syndicated your show, he would take his program to another company. Could there be a Democratic or Progressive Rush Limbaugh type personality on the airwaves?

RHODES: Not at Clear Channel.

First, let me tell you where the story came from. I had two meetings with middle managers who both liked me and what I had done for our 'pod'. (At Clear Channel the territories are split up into 'pods'.) In two separate meetings I was told "The Rush story." Additionally, I should never expect to be syndicated by Clear Channel because Rush had said he'd just do what advertisers do. He'd go somewhere else. I was an unknown, he was a known.

I begged for and got (6 months later) a meeting with a senior manager. He told me the "Rush story." So that's where it comes from. Now, when Oliver North was on the air, he stated that Rush was syndicated because Rush was a better talent and got better ratings. (This is insulting because of the fatness of the lie) . . . I then told him that Rush had threatened to take his show elsewhere if I were to be syndicated by Clear Channel. He said "I've heard that but I can't comment." So everyone does seem to know "The Rush Story." (North and Rush are friends).

Control the Content . . . we have business that cannot be disturbed by a questioning public.
http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/01/03_Rhodes.html

Meanwhile, the Web site www.allyourtv.com posted a commentary on Wednesday by Rick Ellis saying that he had been leaked an internal NBC study that described Donahue as "a tired, left-wing liberal out of touch with the current marketplace."

The report allegedly said Donahue presented a difficult face for NBC at a time of war, saying a nightmare scenario would be one in which his show becomes "a home for the liberal anti-war agenda at the same time our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity."
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/entertainment/5263274.htm

While "Donahue" does badly trail both O'Reilly and CNN's Connie Chung in the ratings, those numbers have improved in recent weeks. So much so that the program is the top-rated show on MSNBC, beating even the highly promoted "Hardball With Chris Matthews."

Although Donahue didn't know it at the time, his fate was sealed a number of weeks ago after NBC News executives received the results of a study commissioned to provide guidance on the future of the news channel.

That report--shared with me by an NBC news insider--gives an excruciatingly painful assessment of the channel and its programming. Some of recommendations, such as dropping the "America's News Channel," have already been implemented. But the harshest criticism was leveled at Donahue, whom the authors of the study described as "a tired, left-wing liberal out of touch with the current marketplace."
http://www.allyourtv.com/0203season/news/02252003donahue.html

NOW In Depth - Massive Media PBS
Solid Ratings Don't Protect Progressive Radio Voices
What's Wrong With This Picture?
Podvin on the Media 1-31-02
Harper's editor laments rise of corporate news purveyors
Commentary: The Surrender Of MSNBC
The Wayward Media

HUSTLER: What has happened to the the news media in this country?

PALAST: I vomit every time I see Tom Brokaw.

HUSTLER: And Dan Rather-

PALAST: I feel sick at heart when I see Rather, because he's actually a journalist. He came on my program, Newsnight and said, "I can't report the news. I'm not allowed to ask questions. We're gonna send our children and our husbands into the desert now, and I can't ask a question, because I will be lynched." This is what Rather said in London. He looked defeated and awful, and I was thinking, Why am I feeling sorry for this guy who is worth millions? He should turn to the camera and say, "Well, now for the truth. Over to you, Greg, in London." The problem is that he can't report the story of the intelligence agents who are told not to look at the Bin Laden family, not to look at Saudi funding of terror.

HUSTLER: What makes Rather afraid to do his job?

PALAST: It's not just that there are brutal shepherds like Rupert Murdoch out there to beat the dickens out of any reporter that asks the wrong questions; it's all about making news on the cheap. You know, for some of these editors, cheap and easy is a philosophy of life. To do a heavy-duty story on Bush, and his oil and Bush and his gold-mining company is beyond them. A little bit of the Harken stock scandal came out, but that story was already seven years old. To some extent they know that there are certain things you cannot say. Rather says he would be necklaced for telling the truth.

HUSTLER: He said that? What did he mean?

PALAST: In South Africa, under apartheid, if someone didn't like you, they put a burning tire around your neck. That was called "necklacing." On my show, Rather said, "If I ask any questions, I'll be necklaced." And I'm thinking, Oh, that's a good image. It's sad, but if Dan Rather doesn't have the cajones to ask a question, then you name a reporter who's gonna step out and ask about what's going on. It's not that the corporate guys say, "Don't run that story," although that has happened to me many times in North American media, but also the shepherds pick the lambs who won't ask the questions. For example, there was a reporter, some poor producer, who wanted to run a story about how Jack Welch had lied about polluting the Hudson River. The story didn't run. Shockeroo. That was for Dateline NBC, owned by General Electric, of which Jack Welch was the chairman of the board. Or as in the case of Venezuela, I was stunned to come back from Caracas to find a picture on the front page of the San Francisco Chronicle of 100,000 people marching against the president of Venezuela. Sounds like he's a terrible guy and people hate him. What they didn't say was that half a million people were marching for him. At least the Soviet Russians knew that the stuff in Pravda was coming out the wrong end of a toilet, whereas, we live under the pretense that The New York Times prints all the news that's fit to print.
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=181&row=1

...
Robins was talking serious politics on a morning chat show - and clearly hackles went up. By 8:24 Robins was explaining "We're fighting for freedom for the Iraqi people right now so that they can have freedom of speech, yet we're telling our own citizens they have to be quiet"

Lauer could have called it quits there -but he went on "When you see pictures of Iraqi's dancing and celebrating -does it change your mind?" "No" Said Robbins - "I'm ecstatic that they feel this freedom, I hope we have the resolve to get in there and make it work."

It was at this point that something happened that has perhaps never happened before in the history of morning television.

The music swelled under Robbins... Mid-sentence answering a question that had been asked just 10 seconds earlier... "We have a terrible track record" said Robbins, clearly not able to hear that music was coming up to literally 'play him off the stage'.

The camera cut to a wide shot. Lauer was leaning in and very much in conversation. Either Lauer was ignoring what must have been the deluge of invectives in his earpiece, or he just determined that he wasn't finished with this line of questioning.

But the music ended. The bumper music ended and the studio was in the two shot as Robbins said..."It's for some reason not in our best interest to keep it going and pursue it to the next level." Lauer nodded, and the camera faded to black as Robbins - mid sentence - had his microphone turned down.

A conversation about free speech. An anchor asking reasonable questions. A guest responding in equally reasonable tones. No attempt to close out the discussion - to say "Well thank you Tim". This was not a filibuster. Robbins was not hogging the spotlight.

Someone in the control room simply decided that it was time to pull the plug. And without grace or ceremony, or even the face saving of letting Lauer say "We're out of time" as morning shows do on so many occasions.

A conversation about free speech and free expression was cut off mid sentence as the network went to black.

Television history was made, as million of Americans got to watch in real time just how powerful and inescapable censorship can be. Robbins wasn't revealing troop locations, or giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Remember the war has been won - by all accounts. He was discussing freedom, free speech, and why his appearance has been canceled at the Baseball Hall of Fame. NBC should invite him back and let him finish his thought - or admit at least who was on the phone to master control demanding that they pull the plug.
http://www.rense.com/general37/dark.htm

Tampa cable won't air ad criticizing Bush tax cut

TAMPA - (AP) -- A TV commercial critical of President Bush's tax plan won't air in Tampa after the city's major cable provider expressed concerns about the script.

The commercial was produced for MoveOn.org, an online political activist group, and was slated to air about 10 times a day this week on cable systems in 23 cities, said Lanicia Shaw, executive assistant for Zimmerman and Markman, a Santa Monica, Calif., advertising agency handling the commercial.

The ad is a reenactment of an event in Eugene, Ore., a month ago in which 50 parents lined up outside a clinic to sell their blood plasma to help pay a teacher's salary.

''George Bush's tax cuts for the rich have meant less money for education,'' the commercial contends.
...
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/state/5862591.htm

3. How important is "truth" in mass media reporting compared to ratings?
The media doesn't care about outing the real stories - nor about ratings. The truth GETS ratings - but it doesn't win friends in high places. We got more information about the war in Vietnam through "MASH" and "Star Trek" allegories than on CBS news.
The corporate owners of the networks will make a killing on their stealing the digital spectrum, given away for nothing by the Telecommunications Act. (For details, see my website www.GregPalast.com) They are willing to give up ratings points by serving up snooze-news with Tom Brokaw rather than gain audience share but lose their tickets to White House dinners.
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=145&row=1

Wall Street Journal:
War Produces Rift in Media Between U.S., Other Nations
...British television reporter Geoff Meade asked the officer what he would say to Iraqis and other Muslims who might welcome such images. Some U.S. reporters looked stunned at the aggressiveness of the question. A hush fell on the room. The general eyed him coldly and parried the query. Afterward, says Mr. Meade, a veteran correspondent with Sky News, a service of British Sky Broadcasting Group PLC, "Somebody joked to me that I'd find myself at the back of the room along with the French and the Germans."
...
"We believe people need to see the truth, and there's no need to make the truth cosmetic because it's not pretty," says Nawal Assad, a producer at al-Jazeera's London office.

...callers on Italian talk shows criticized as censorship the U.S. government's request to U.S. networks to refrain from showing the images. In Germany, the press has engaged in lengthy dissections of U.S. news organizations, often concluding that the U.S. media has gone through "Gleichschaltung," an ominous word used to describe how the Nazis took over key public institutions, including the media (rough translation: "bringing into line").
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB104854123024458400-email,00.html
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 03:09 PM
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42. Thanks for the information sweetheat!
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treepig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 03:44 PM
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46. i would be happy if i was wrong
but i think the new yorker article does make some valid points (and the author does not seem to think too highly of the right wingers, so i don't think he's just mindless bashing the left).

personally, i would never listen to left-leaning talk radio - in my case that's simply because i hate talk radio (of any kind). first because the information presented is typically completely non-verifiable and i tend not to believe anything i hear or read pending independent verification, and second because i have a short attention span (right now i'm itching to go check out those shwarzenegger threads . . . ). in any case, on the internet i can (fairly) rapidly seek out my own sources and form my own opinions - on the topic of the prospects for left leaning talk radio i appreciate your imput and will take your information under advisement. however, i can also go out and get opinions from other progressive sites, mainstream sites, right-wing sites, foreign sites, etc. if 95% of a broad range of sites all have the same viewpoint, i tend to start believing it's true. i suspect liberals in general are more like this than the believe-anything-rush-says neocon lowlifes.

once again, if i'm way off base here, nothing would make me happier (ok, that's probably an exaggeration) - but who knows!
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 06:39 AM
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69. You need to listen to the Mike Malloy Show sometime...
on ieAmerica Radio. You may not like talk radio, but there is definitely a viable niche and demand for the liberal voice in the mix. If for no other reason than to counter the lies with truth. I listen to Mike Malloy most every day and have for over two years now. His audience grows daily. At least one person a day calls in to say they just found the show and what a relief they feel for having found it and knowing that they really do have a voice out there in "Limbaugh Land".

There most definitely IS a market for liberal radio, but the reason for the dearth of them has more to do with supply than demand and the problem revolves back around to media ownership. The mega stations such as Clear Channel are so rabidly right wing (as a function of ownership) they will simply not allow a liberal voice to be heard. It's really not because there is no call for it, it's just that the right wing media will not allow it. People are HUNGRY for more liberal voices on the airwaves, but unless and until the conservative grip on the media is broken, don't look for very many to be cropping up anytime soon.
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:20 AM
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11. There's Good Evil and Bad evil
Soros is good evil.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:31 AM
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15. I think that was "Lawful Evil" and "Chaotic Evil"
D&D still rulez
:evilgrin:
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:33 AM
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17. never heard of that
what is D&D?
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:39 AM
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21. Dungeons and Dragons
Characters in the game have 'alignments' to represent thier place in the world. The alignment chart has two axis, one for Good and Evil, the other for Law and Chaos. So, someone who is, say, Lawful Evil, would obey the letter of the laws while subverting thier meaning, while someone Chaotic Good would ignore the laws for the greater good.
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:42 AM
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22. ah
Thank you.
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geomon Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 06:50 PM
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65. LOL
always neutral....
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:23 AM
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13. Also this in the NY Times:
Edited on Fri Aug-08-03 11:24 AM by Snellius
5 Foes of Bush Form PAC in Bid to Defeat Him

WASHINGTON, Aug. 7 — The leaders of five groups with strong ties to Democratic causes announced today that to help offset Republican advantages in organizing and fund-raising, they were joining to form a political action committee aimed at defeating President Bush next year.

The leaders said the new committee, America Coming Together, would concentrate on 17 battleground states and emphasize voter education and registration.

They also said they had received initial contributions totaling nearly $22 million of the $75 million they expect to have raised by November of next year. Mr. Bush's re-election campaign, which began raising money less than three months ago, has already taken in $34.2 million and expects to reach $170 million.
...
The philanthropist George Soros, who has donated $8 million to the new committee, said in a statement that he had been prompted to act by his belief that Mr. Bush was leading the country in a "false and dangerous" direction.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/08/politics/08PAC.html
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:33 AM
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16. this is a BIG message to all with money...that bush* is taking us
down the WRONG economic pathway...that bushonomics is BAD for America and for the whole wide world....Soros is sending a message to all the people with money, and it's loud and clear...many more will follow Soros example...

yes, the BIG money is turning against bush*....


BOOT bush* in 2004
http://www.Democrats.org
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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 04:47 PM
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54. Most of the big money against dimson is working quietly.
The bfee will do all they can to crush wealthy opponants.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:34 AM
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18. Excuse me, but isn't this guy worth $5 billion?
The $10 million he contributed is probably only a fraction of the tax cut he's getting. $50 million would be a more approrpriate amount.

Color me unimpressed.
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Aaron Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:01 PM
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32. He's also been spending on anti-bush ads and other measures recently
this is just part of his total expenditure. He's a big giver.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:54 PM
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39. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth
The $10 million he contributed is probably only a fraction of the tax cut he's getting. $50 million would be a more approrpriate amount.

Color me unimpressed.


Hey, so he blows the other 40 million on beer & pizza. I'll take the 10 million. Hell, I'd take a donation from Ken Starr if it meant a resounding defeat for * next November.


Hmm...that cliche in my headline actually sounds kinda kinky. :evilgrin:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 03:20 PM
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44. What an odd thing to say. How do you know that is all he will give?
If he creates an effective organization for 10 million why should he pay more than it's worth to get the job done?

Forming an opinion before seeing what he accomplishes with the money seems foolish.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 05:22 PM
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58. That's pretty much the color I see you.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:39 AM
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20. A rich person with a conscience? It's the big one, 'Lizabeth!!
Wow, so maybe the tide really is turning.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:43 AM
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23. $10Million spent well can help, but
if it's 10 mil spent on parties and frou-frou ads, it's a drop in the bucket...

10 mil would go a long way if it was used as seed money to guys like our own Guy James.. We need to get our "message" out on the airwaves a LOT to try and counter the filth that's spewing 24/7..

If dems knew that they could tune in a radio station in their car that was not Rush or one of the "others" , they might actually start feeling like they were not alone..

Perception becomes reality..
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:45 AM
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24. Keep an eye on Ashcroft
See if he doesn't try to go after Soros on some pretext. I'm not kidding. Usually I don't do conspiracies, but the Bushites are ruthless and rolling in cash, and Ashcroft owes all his power to them.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:42 PM
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29. good point
I don't see it has you believing in 'conspiracies' it's just you being able to see what's coming next as the CONservatives have set a pattern. If we pay attention as it seems to me you are we can see it coming down the pike.

I would hope Soros is able to do the same....betcha' he's ready for it. From what I understand he actually 'earned' his money, didn't he? Also if he's worried enough to donate his own money to take *Bush out he's well aware of what these weasels are capable of doing.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 03:48 PM
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48. It would tie in to Asscrack's recent anti-marijuana actions
Soros is a marijuana legalization activist, and if Asscrack wants to take him on directly it could be done from this angle. Much easier than investigating his investment organizations, which would have too much overlap with the BFEE interests.
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:02 PM
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25. Thank You Mr. Soros.....
You add to our sense of hope for rescue from
the bush regime. Please keep up the support.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:08 PM
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26. Bless You Sir!!!!
We need all the help we can get to defeat this BASTARD JUNTA!!!!
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:12 PM
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28. In the first link
It mentioned that the new organizations will do research to counter Rep-funded "think tanks" who put out misleading scientific data and false claims in social research. The post went on to say that the organization needs to choose reputable spokespersons to carry the message to the mass media audiences. (Guy James is a good choice, So is Randd Rhodes...Will Pitt, ...this is dangerous, I'm going to forget to mention somebody but I assure you there is no slight intended)

At any rate, this is a good start and I add my appreciation to Mr Soros without any questioning of his motivations.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:48 PM
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30. Oh YES YES YES!!!
This is what we need.

Mr. Soros---I don't want to seem greedy, but is there any way you and Ted Turner could get together and buy back CNN so we could have some fucking BALANCED NEWS that reports REAL NEWS AND NOT FLUFFY SHIT ABOUT DOGS WITH FUCKING HEARTS OF GOLD?!?!?!?!?!?!


thank you

heddi
registered voter and new Mr. Soros fan :)
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SyracuseDemocrat Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 06:47 PM
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63. Well
I like dogs with fluffy hearts of gold. :(
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ploppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:23 PM
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34. Didn't George Soros
finance the anti-Clinton movemant?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 03:19 PM
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43. No, I believe that was Safire
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 05:17 PM
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56. Nope... Richard Mellon Scaife's the dude you're thinking of...
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ploppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 05:26 PM
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59. That's it!
Scaife. Thank you.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:31 PM
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35. Dear Mr Soros
Please send a LOT of money to Take Back the Media as both American Stranger and Symbolman want to kick a lot of Republican booty with Flash Animations, TV, Radio and Books --

We're serious, anyone have an inside track to this organization?

Tell them about us, we've been fighting HARD!

http://www.takebackthemedia.com
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:36 PM
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37. www.soros.org
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 02:59 AM
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68. Thanks!
We'll look into it..
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 04:17 PM
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51. The website sujan mentioned has online grant applications
It might be well worth your while to travel down that road a ways. Ironically, The Savage Weiner's attack on you may lend you extra credibility.

Go for it!
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 05:22 PM
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57. S-man, I'd love to see your flash-anies on TV...
You and AS have done powerful things that would look awesome as PSA's, right in between segments of some high-rated shit like American Idol, to hit the masses right between the eyes! If someone like Soros could help make it happen, wow!
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MaverickX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:35 PM
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36. I'm so sick of these socialists attacking our great President...
How dare we be so treasonous as to think of holding a Presidential election in a time of war.
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treepig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 03:46 PM
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47. don't worry about it,
the supreme court will nix any such aspirations in the bud.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:49 PM
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38. Woo hoo! Call this group the UN-DLC!!!
Emily's list, AFL-CIO...FORCE our party to listen!
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AfricanDonkey Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 04:09 PM
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50. Why can't they give the money directly to the DNC?
It seems a little silly to me to be repeating purposes?
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 04:20 PM
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52. DLC and AFL-CIO together?
dont think so..
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 06:32 PM
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61. Because their leadership has been impotent and inneffective
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 06:50 PM
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64. I seem to recall that the campaign finance laws forbid that.
Wasn't there a reference in the article to a rule that they couldn't directly coordinate with the Democrats?

At any rate, I hope everyone on this board who can send a few dollars to their favorite activist organization will do so. Better yet, talk to people, register voters, and write letters to the editor, or whatever else you can think of.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 04:23 PM
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53. Soros Quote - This Guy RAWKS!!!!
"We are still in pursuit of dominance instead of living up to the responsibilities that dominance imposes. I believe that is how the terrorists wanted us to act. After all, their aim is to destroy the system - killing innocent people is only the means. <…>

"How can we escape from the trap that the terrorists have set us," he asked. "Only by recognizing that the war on terrorism cannot be won by waging war. We must, of course, protect our security; but we must also correct the grievances on which terrorism feeds."

http://www.mattwelch.com/archives/week_2002_04_14.html

When we say something like this, people call us crazy. When a BILLIONAIRE says it... it's "eccentric".
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ianbruce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 06:15 PM
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60. Soros sized bump
Super guy.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 05:17 PM
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55. Bless George Soros' ever-lovin' Heart!
Damn I love that man!
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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 06:33 PM
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62. He is a legendary short seller
As well as a philanthrapist. His biggest claim to fame is making 1 Billion dollars by shorting the British Pound. I threw his name up on Yahoo, found a history of his criticism of the Resident in Thief.
He is also revered for his astute knowledge of the world economy. One George Soros stating that the economy is in trouble beats 1,000 right-wing think tank economists every time.


If anything, he's LOSING money by denouncing Bush, as short sellers profit when markets suffer losses.

I don't condone him doing this, but Soros may be powerful enough to lean on the bond market and make bond values plummet all by himself. It is said that his shorting of the Pound in 92 almost broke the Bank of England.


http://www.soros.org/gsbio
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Best_man23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 09:20 PM
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66. Mr. Soros, if you happen to read this:
Thank you and please keep the money coming.

For those who says that he should have donated more, I would rather have a consistent donor than someone who only gives one large whopping gift and is gone.

Do not be surprised if when the Democrats have their presidential ticket, that he provides a large sum of money to the ticket to help offset Dumbya and the BFEE's coffers.
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 08:36 AM
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70. Ummm, Mr. Soros?? Over here, sir.....
The group plans a $75 million effort to defeat Bush and "elect progressive officials at every level in 2004," targeting 17 key states: Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Iowa, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin.

Mr. Soros. I'd like to have a word with you, please.

I know of a certain progressive candidate running in the 16th District of Ohio for US House Of Representatives.

He could use your help.

SOMEBODY GET ME THIS MAN'S CONTACT INFO!!!!!
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 12:36 PM
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71. This is great
I think they definitely should focus on the media.
Thanks Mr Soros :)
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