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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 03:54 PM
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Mock riot tests Marines in urban setting (Training With Mercenaries)
http://www.dcmilitary.com/marines/hendersonhall/9_19/features/29052-1.html


Lance Cpl. Megan L. Stiner

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Service members from the Marine Corps, Navy and Coast Guard, as well as several civilian contractors, combined forces to act as a nonlethal weapons platoon that was trying to control a hungry town of people during a mock riot in the setting of a third world country. The operation acted as the final field exercise in their journey to become nonlethal weapons instructor

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CaptainClark23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 04:22 PM
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1. Tin foil be damned...
I'm usually pretty pragmatic and don't jump to unwarranted conclusions. But every once in a while something like this comes up and the little hairs on the back of my neck stand straight up.

Why, for example, would the setting of a third world country make any difference as to the tactics employed in subduing a hungry (which usually also means angry and hostile) population?

On the other hand, I'd love to see a nonlethal weapons platoon made up of Marine, Navy, Coast Guard and civvy Mercs try to "control" Kings County, New York.

(thats Brooklyn to the rest of you)

Anyway, this item gives me the creeps.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 04:48 PM
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2. This stuff is scaring me more and more
corporate media pretty mucn refused to acknowledge this

throughout the '90s and now it is entrenched.

Note that the w* 04 election campaign has hired Vance International for domestic mercenary work

There are plenty of things a campaign must pay for, but the Bush campaign may be the first presidential campaign to employ a company that specializes in paramilitary protection.
In reports filed today with the Federal Election Commission, the Bush campaign showed February receipts of $13.7 million, and cash on hand of $110 million. Obviously much of that money will be spent on television advertising. But a quick look at Bush's FEC filing shows something curious--they paid almost $200,000 to Vance International for "personnel services/equipment."
Vance International may not be familiar to a lot of people, but they should be, because they are the Pinkertons of our era. Vance was founded and until recently run by Chuck Vance, a former Secret Service agent who at one time was married to Gerald Ford's daughter. Vance used his Secret Service background in security and investigation to specialize in providing security during labor disputes. From the strikes at Pittston Coal, to Caterpillar, to Detroit Newspapers, if there was violence on the picket line of a high-profile strike, it was most likely provoked by the maladjusted ex-soldiers, angry cop wanna-be's, and CIA rejects who wear the jack-boots of Vance's Asset Protection Team:
more:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/3/19/22135/3823
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 05:13 PM
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3. sounds like he's getting prepared
must be expecting some nasty crowds during the next couple months, just wonder what kind of immunity this folks will have if they happen to rough up someone along the trail? Similar to the current contractors working for the military...NONE!
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 05:42 PM
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4. Taking us back to the 'bad old days' of private police forces.
Go read up on some of the early labor riots. It was almost always Pinkerton's or some other privately hired cops who were the worst abusers.

Scarey stuff.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 06:04 PM
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5. Allan Pinkerton on Horseback


Allan Pinkerton on Horseback,
Antietam, Maryland,
Alexander Gardner,
photographer,
September 1862.

Lincoln later hired Pinkerton to organize a "secret service" to obtain military information in the Southern states during the Civil War. Pinkerton sent agents into Kentucky and West Virginia, and, traveling under the pseudonym "Major E.J. Allen," performed his own investigative work in Tennessee, Georgia, and Mississippi.

After the war, Pinkerton resumed the management of his detective agency. By this time, the U.S. Secret Service had been established to prevent counterfeiting, and, by 1901, its mission had been expanded to include protecting the president.

more
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/today/aug25.html
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 07:36 PM
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6. Pinkerton agents did some pretty nasty stuff, right??
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:33 PM
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7. Mercenaries and Masculinity in Twentieth-Century America
Edited on Fri May-14-04 08:54 PM by seemslikeadream

Mike Zielinski

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THE ERA OF DUAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IS HERE AS GOVERNMENT AND CORPORATIONS HIRE RENT-A-COPS TO GUARD BUSINESSES AND GATED COMMUNITIES AND TO BREAK STRIKES. NOW, ABUSES BY THE PRIVATE SECURITY INDUSTRY AND ITS EMPLOYEES THEMSELVES THREATEN PUBLIC SECURITY.
Propelled by public panic over crime, the private security industry is one of the fastest growing enterprises in the U.S., spending more money and employing more guards than public police forces around the country. In 1990 alone, $52 billion was spent on private security, compared to $30 billion on police. More than 10,000 private security companies employ some 1.5 million guards, nearly triple the 554,000 state and local police officers.

And the industry which generates billions in profits is growing rapidly. One congressional advocate of increased regulation says national labor statistics indicate that more jobs will be created in the private security field than any other categories over the next decade. Industry executives estimate that the number of private guards will surge to 2 million by the year 2000.

Amidst heightened public fears in the wake of the Oklahoma bombing, fresh threats by the UNABOMBER, and recurring references by the press and politicians to the menace of foreign terrorists, the industry is poised for boom times. With the 1996 presidential election looming large, both major political parties are sure to issue more strident calls for stepped-up policing, both public and private.
DUAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
The era of dual law enforcement is already here, with a vengeance. Private guards are popping up everywhere, patrolling shopping malls, workplaces, apartment buildings and neighborhoods. The phenomenal growth of massive private shopping malls, and the steady shrinkage of public shopping streets, means the public is more likely to encounter private security than public police on a daily basis. The business community already pays for security in malls, stores, offices, banks, and highly congested public places such as New York City's Grand Central Station. And as federal funding recedes, many municipalities are looking to cut costs further by hiring rent-a-cops to work ambulance services and parking enforcement, as well as to watch over crime scenes and transport prisoners who increasingly face incarceration in corporate-run prisons. California, always the harbinger of disturbing new trends in American culture, goes beyond putting private guards on the street. Wealthy residents of Los Angeles hire their guards complete with squad cars. The City Council has 50 applications pending to barricade public streets to facilitate the work of these private security cruisers.

more
http://mediafilter.org/caq/CAQ54p.police.html

Strikebreaking and Intimidation
Mercenaries and Masculinity in Twentieth-Century America

by Stephen H. Norwood


By the first decade of the twentieth century, a multitude of private detective agencies had emerged that specialized in recruiting and transporting strikebreakers and armed guards. These agencies often conducted business on a national basis, establishing branch offices across the country. One of the largest, Bergoff Brothers and Waddell of New York, promised it could supply 10,000 strikebreakers to a corporation within seventy-two hours, mobilizing probably more men more quickly than the federal government could. Given corporations' enormous demand for strikebreakers in the early twentieth century, the business of supplying them could prove very lucrative. R. J. Coach, head of a Cleveland detective agency that specialized in this service, during the 1910s wore "diamonds set in platinum," as he sat "amidst splendor" of an office decorated with "rare oriental rugs." James Farley was paid more for providing the men that broke the 1905 New York Interborough subway and elevated strike than President Theodore Roosevelt received during his entire administration.

Both labor espionage and the supplying and transport of strikebreakers and armed guards by detective agencies had begun during the late nineteenth century, coming fully to fruition as a business in the first two decades of the twentieth. The world renowned Pinkerton Detective Agency, founded by Scottish immigrant Allan Pinkerton in 1850, pioneered both in providing armed guards during strikes, to protect company property and strikebreakers, and in supplying labor spies. During the quarter century from 1866, when Pinkerton agents served as guards in a Braidwood, Illinois, miners' strike, through the 1892 strike against Carnegie Steel's mammoth plant at Homestead, Pennsylvania, Pinkerton guards were involved in about seventy labor disputes.

Pinkerton had few scruples about whom it hired as guards, nor did the multitude of detective agencies that later emulated it. It recruited them by placing newspaper advertisements, by roaming the waterfront in search of men desperate enough to go to sea, and by combing army and navy recruiting offices for men not accepted for military service.

In 1892 the role of corporate mercenaries received significant public attention for the first time when 300 Pinkerton agents, hired by Carnegie Steel to guard its Homestead works, became involved in a bloody gun battle with strikers and their supporters, after the river barges on which they had been transported were fired upon. In defeating the Homestead strike, with Pinkerton assistance, Carnegie Steel for all intents and purposes destroyed the Amalgamated Association of Iron, Steel, and Tin Workers (AAISTW), which had called it, and eliminated trade unionism from the steel industry for almost half a century.

Pinkerton's spectacular success in infiltrating the Molly Maguires, a Pennsylvania Irish-American miners' secret society suspected of violent acts and sabotage against management, demonstrated the potential of labor espionage as an anti-union weapon, and led corporate business to implement it on a massive scale. At the request of Franklin Gowen, president of the Philadelphia and Reading Coal & Iron Company, Allan Pinkerton in 1873 sent an agent, James McParlan, disguised as a fugitive from a murder charge in Buffalo, New York, into the Pennsylvania coal fields. Not even Gowen knew McParlan's identity. McParlan's two and a half years of undercover work produced the evidence that resulted in the hanging of the leading Mollies. The Pinkerton agency "profited handsomely" from the affair; employers inundated it with requests for labor spies.
http://uncpress.unc.edu/chapters/norwood_strike.html
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:17 AM
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9. Beside Murder and related Crimes not many crimes
For example it was the Pinkerton's that decided the best way to get Jesse and Frank James was to throw a bomb into their widowed mother's house (She was maimed and their 7 year old half brother killed).

As to Strike Breaking, In Pennsylvania to this day you MUST BE A RESIDENT FOR ONE YEAR before you can be a law enforcement officer. This was because of the habit of Pinkerton to move people in, have them made Law enforcement officers, use to them to kill some strikers and than move them out of town again (And refuse to co-operate with any prosecution of said killers). The law was passed after the Homestead strike of 1892 which the Pinkertons acted at their worse (and the Strikers retaliating).

Now the Pinkertons was replaced by the Coal and Iron Police (Who were one year residents of Pennsylvania). The Coal and Iron have been called (along with the Pinkertons) one of the longest existing terrorist organizations ever to exist in the US. Just a bad set of groups till finally outlawed during the Great Depression (Through their seem to be coming back again).
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:25 PM
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8. Non-Lethal Terms and References (from USAF/INSS)
Here's a dated paper on some of the things in the arsenal. Perfect for torture and abuse too as the history of the development of some of these weapons would show if unclassified.
http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/nonlethal.html
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:52 AM
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10. I hope evryone is aware by now that 'non-lethal' is a lie
less frequently lethal is a more accurate description, as these

devices are designed to be survivable by a 'normal, healthy adult'

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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:20 PM
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11. kick
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:18 PM
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12. Third-World Country???
Like in New York during a convention this fall???
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:24 PM
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13. Good Guess, especially since the Police have endorsed Kerry!
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