Beheaded man named on Free Republic's "Enemies List"

[Tinoire]

Beheaded man named on Free Republic's "Enemies List"

Beheaded Man's Firm
Was On Right-Wing
'Enemies' List
http://www.BreakForNews.com/NickBergEnemiesList.htm
by Fintan Dunne, Editor
BreakForNews.com EXCLUSIVE
Research by Kathy McMahon
12th May, 2004 10amET


The family firm of beheaded American Nick Berg, was named by a conservative website in a list of 'enemies' of the Iraq occupation. That could explain his arrest by Iraqi police --a detention which fatally delayed his planned return from Iraq and may have led directly to his death.

<snip>

The FreeRepublic.com web site and forum has a reputation for right-wing views, fanatical Republicanism and relentless pro-war activism.

On 7th March, 2004, just three weeks before the first anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, an 'enemies' list of anti-war groups and individuals was posted on the Free Republic forum.

It began: "Here you are, FReepers. Here is the enemy."

<snip>

The web traffic to the Free Republic forum --and it's forum membership-- include significant numbers of serving and former US military.

Many members take their online activism very seriously. Some delight in causing mischief for those they think are identified as "enemies."

Within minutes of getting their hands on the antiwar names, one was boasting of having contacted the military about active service personnel who were on the list:

"I forwarded the list to the ISC (the command you listed), the district officer... the district legal office and the investigative services office."

<snip>

http://www.breakfornews.com/NickBergEnemiesList.htm

[maddezmom]

1. Who Organised the Beheading of Nick Berg – and Why ?

http://www.unobserver.com/layout4.php?id=1663&blz=1
I know nothing about the site I just posted, but it has a lot of info.

[Sgt. Peppers]

50. I recived many death threats from the Freepers

It was so bad at one point I had tell the mail person only to delived packages that I told her were comming. I have 3 children who had to be told to watch out for stangers (not the normal type they are tought to look out for). This was of course after I was turned in to Homeland Security (or SS as I call them). How scary is that, I a US Army verteran turning into the FBI for asking this question; "What has Bush done positive for America? After that question I was attacked via e-mail.

[Catherine Vincent]

2. The freaks at Freerepublic have blood on their hands!

[Just Me]

108. I wonder if Scaife funds that bunch. Could tie into Nazi stuff being

investigated now with all those papers being released.

Wouldn't that be just awesome!!!

:bounce:

[jadedcherub]

3. Would you mind...

Changing the title of your post? It was actually not Nick Berg named in the list, but in fact his father, and his tower company.

Your title is mildly misleading. ;)

[Tinoire]

5. Hi, It's not my title... I had to go by the rules...

Wish I could because I agree... It was his father who they had on the list with the place of business both father and son owned.

[jadedcherub]

7. Oh! My bad.

Not tryin' to be snooty or anything. :)

[Tinoire]

11. Not to worry... You weren't... Happens often :) n/t

[goodhue]

4. yup

[Tinoire]

13. Yup fer sure

:hi:

[DoNotRefill]

6. Remind me...

to send them a new roll of tinfoil....

[Don_G]

8. Typical Scum

Provide a list that may have gotten him killed then openly disavow any complicity and pray for him and his family????

They must have been in the first wave of mentally ill that Regan kicked out of the hospitals.

[Tinoire]

9. salon.com contacts DFU over FR's role in murder of Nick Berg

salon.com contacts DFU over FR's role in murder of Nick Berg by Islamofascist Terrorist b*st*rds
email from salon.com reporter | 5-12-04 | dfu

Posted on 05/12/2004 4:27:51 PM PDT by doug from upland

Apparently, I am in the middle of a controversy regarding the brutal murder of Nick Berg by the Islamofascist terrorist b*st*rds.


I received the following FReepmail today from a salon.com reporter and spoke to him off the record. I will either call him back on the record or he can use my comments here on the record.


Salon.com inquiry, your post on the "enemies list"
From (redacted) | 05/12/2004 11:45:13 AM PDT read

<snip>

Doug,


Hello. My name is (redacted), and I'm a reporter at Salon.com. On March 7, you posted a list of signatories to an ANSWER protest; that list, which is now being discussed by a few left-leaning bloggers, includes the name of "Michael S. Berg," who is the father of Nick Berg, the man beheaded in Iraq.

It seems as if you just posted a copy of the list from the ANSWER site, but the trouble is, your list appears much longer than the one on their page. Michael Berg's name -- and many others -- is not on their page.


So I wonder if you can tell me where you got your list -- have you any idea why yours is longer than the one they have?


I also wonder what you think about the fact that you named these people enemies; do you really think they're enemies? Some people on left-leaning blogs are floating the theory that Nick Berg was detained or singled out by U.S. authorities in Iraq because of the list you posted. I wonder what you think of that idea?

<snip>

--(redacted)
Reporter, Salon.com (phone number redacted)

<snip>

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1134424/posts

[NewYorkerfromMass]

14. If U.S. authorities need FreeRepublic's input to single out who to detain

then lord help us.

Anyway, good work by the Salon reporter. (I LOVE Salon!)

[G_j]

38. they know exactly

what many people think when they hear the word "enemy".
We are in the middle of a "war" are we not?
Blood potentially on their hands...

[johnfunk]

10. Even if Berg's dad was the one named, I'd still say...

... Jim Rob and his Kounterkonstitutional Kargo Kult have bolld on their hands.

[Soloflecks]

78. But the company name!

The son was traveling to Iraq as a representative of the company, so they would've known immediately when they saw the company name.

[alfredo]

12. How can I get on their

list? I want to be seen as an enemy of FreakRepuglickkk

[BrotherBuzz]

16. Molesting a porta-potty is a sure fire way

My trip to D.C. to counter the communists

Jon Alvarez
October 26, 2003




I returned from Washington, D.C. late Saturday night after a whirlwind trip in which I drove 800 miles within a twenty-four hour period. I joined other patriots in our nation's capitol as it came under renewed assault from the anti-American, communist-backed group known as A.N.S.W.E.R. Now why on earth would I drive so far, leaving the comforts of my home, simply to be verbally assaulted by a group of left-wing wackos? The answer is simple; I made this trip to show my support for our president, our troops, and our country.

<snip>
Hats off to the D.C. Police Department for handling this event in a most professional manner.There was zero police presence at our initial rally point as there was no need for one. We did have to flag down an officer to remove one "peace" protester who tried to disrupt our singing of "God Bless America" as we concluded our rally. Several others stopped by early on and vandalized the porta-potties we had rented for our event. It was quite a contrast to the policepresence necessary along the route of the anti-war protesters as there was a large police presence in combat gear. As we proceeded up Pennsylvania Avenue to our second rallypoint, we received numerous thumbs up displays from these blue knights in body armor. It was nice to see that they appreciated our presence on the field of battle that day.
<more>

www.renewamerica.us/columns/alvarez/031026

[rumguy]

19. "blue knights in body armor"

Man, sometimes I don't know whethere to despise the freeps or feel sorry for them.

[jdj]

25. "I made this trip to support my country"...but not to Iraq?

He drives 800 miles in 24 hours to march with the 43rd* Blowhard Brigade, but he won't be marchin his butt over to Iraq, or even into the armed forces anytime soon.

Wow. Impressive.

Toby Keith's song got rated the 20th worst song of all time on VH1's countdown of the worst of all time, and I was so glad, but I thought it should have been #1. The commentator made a joke about how Toby was so upset about 9/11 that he went out and enlisted, no, wait, he didn't enlist, he just wrote a redneck song.

edit: The irony of his boast just hit me. He drove 800 miles to support his country in a war that is about gasoline. If he really wanted to support the country, troops, etc. he should have stayed home.

[0007]

88. I watched their rally on c-span, it was awesome

maybe their were 17 persons there on the field of battle that October day. What a joke these fucking freepers are

[BrotherBuzz]

93. My local Sacramento TV news station showed the Fresno rally

If I didn't know better, I swear they hired "Will work for food" gypsies right off the street to bolster their numbers. Hey, I guess that's the pub idea of trickle down economy. Yep, freepers are a joke.

[izzie]

15. Sounds like they would like all to just be gone. Madness.

------

[Tinoire]

17. Those are some sick people.

It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye right? Or in this case thier head.

There spin and comments on the matter right now are even more ridiculous & stupid while the justifications are down-right hateful.

One guy wrote:

Dear Salon,

I think they are all enemies of the free state. They advocate replacing a government of, for and by the people, to a centralized socialist form of government. Anyone subscribing to such thought is an enemy of the state.

Nick Berg's father is an enemy of the state.

<snip>

We are at war against those who hate this country and its judeo-christian values and ethics (liberals), and we are war against Islamic-Muslim culture and countries. Islam is evil. 99.9% of all terror and war has Islam as a common denominator. THIS IS NOT A WAR AGAINST TERROR.

Its that simple for me.

[laylah]

43. Oh my God

if I didn't know better, my "Patriotic, blow 'em up, they're only ragheads" nephew could have written that post to Salon. How DO I know better...he wouldn't "...waste his time with a lubrul rag".

Jenn

[teryang]

18. "Fishy circumstances"

This link notes some obvious incongruities in the tape of the execution.

http://www.infowars.com/print/iraq/berg.htm

The notation of the body postures and mass is interesting because this incongruity was also quite apparent during the "popular" destruction of Saddams statue in Baghdad which was little more than Chalabi's well fed thugs.

[Amazin]

20. Web address?

Does anyone know the website address where the beheading video was originally posted? It's address seems purposefully left out of all the news stories regarding Berg,yet they all refer to it.

[Tinoire]

22. it was some offhoot of HomelandSecurity... at least the web address

had homelandsecurity.us within it.

Also, the first one to sound the alarm on Nick Berg's "disappearance" was www.iraq.net which is US-based and run by the US-paid Iraqi opposition.

[M155Y_A1CH]

27. Welcome!

Sorry, checked the address I used yesterday
from my history list, it's 404. Downloaders must have overwhelmed the web site and it got shut down?

Unless the hatters know what really happened to it? :hi:

[Pastiche423]

75. The URL for the original hosting website was...

http://homelandsecurityus.com/

- snip -

If you are trying to download the video, we ask that you be patient - we are distributing the load across multiple servers to ensure that no single server is overwhelmed. We are continuously monitoring this, and when a link goes inactive we will have another link up shortly.

If you'd like to be emailed when the next link goes up, you can email Laura ( [e-mail] ) and we will let you know.

[sofa king]

81. That's not a government site.

Just in case anyone is confused. Most all federal websites use the .gov tail, not .us or .com.

The official DHS website is http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/

[Just Me]

104. Is that a private security firm or an NGO or what? n/t

[Chicago Democrat]

21. Freepers are murderers now, where will it end?

Motherfuckers.

[reprobate]

23. I wonder if there is any legal action that can be taken against FR

Like accessorie before the fact. Or, since their actions could be held to endanger his life, felony murder.

[teryang]

26. Actually it's improbable

...on a wrongful death action for several reasons. One is the Palsgraf problem. Causation was indirect rather than direct. Intent, knowledge etc. Berg brought himself to Iraq.

I think defamation might have a go. If I were a betting person I wouldn't put money on it but if the Plaintiff has a war chest he could run it for a while. I usually assume the repugs have the financial advantage.

False imprisonment runs up against the sovereign immunity problem, no waiver.

I think anyone who has suggestions though ought to put them out there. The power of the subpoena is greatly feared by repug pols.

[DoNotRefill]

34. Defamation?

How? Didn't the father sign the petition in question in a public forum?

I don't see how a defamation suit would survive a motion to dismiss...

[teryang]

45. The innuendo is treason

it takes more than one public act to raise the public figure defense. In any case the innuendo is treason. Even a public figure could litigate that. I don't think Berg's father was a public figure. But he is now.

[Just Me]

107. Racketeering, obstruction of justice, harassment, stalking,...n/t

[monobrau]

24. Let's get some perspective

Freepers are just some flies buzzing around shit. I'm not saying that there aren't many questions around Berg's death that may lead to some scary places. But just because some mouth breather over at FR cut and pasted some names he found on the web into his masturbatory "hit list" doesn't mean anything.
Why wouldn't a nefarious government operative just go to the Move On site himself, or avail himself of much more valuable intelligence?
The significant thing here is that they have disgraced themselves by denouncing a fellow country man who has gained the sympathy of most of the civilised world. And I've seen plenty of so-called liberals questioning why Berg was there and his motives, which is deplorable.

[Tinoire]

28. No, it was more, much more than that

They were competing with each other to see who could turn people in to the "proper authorities" the fastest.

They were bragging "I just turned 'this one' in to his employer", "'that' one in to his commander", "'that' one in to the FBI" like they were choosing pigs to send to slaughter. And gleefully laughing about hurting these people.

There was no excuse.

Read the original thread if they haven't yanked it yet.

Several people have it saved in its original entirety so them scrubbing it now will make no difference if they're prosecuted especially since the original thread was sent to Legal reps (ACLU included) in various formats, at various times, from various shocked people.

And as you can see, not just from people at DU.

Hate-mongering. Hate crimes. Exactly what those people are good at.

On edit: Here is a sample run-down of the original Freeper posts (all fun and games til somebody loses their head):

The folks who called it an enemies list were the Freepers. It was not simply copied, it was used as a call to action. Names on the list were discussed as targets. Here are some excerpts.

HERE IS THE ENEMY -- they have posted their names

* Less we forget. Everyone send this to Rush, Sean, Fox, and everyone you can e-mail this list. Don't stop until everyone has a copy.

* Here's an Enemy in the County - Gilbert Malu Musumbu, Roman Catholic Priest, Douglas, AZ

* Those names should be culled and forwarded to the FBI, and I suspect that they are being culled as we commune.

* A.N.S.W.E.R.'s a wholly-owned subsidiary or the World Worker's Party, a promoter of Communism accross the globe. Socialists and other totalitarians are indeed the Enemy of America and FReedom and Liberty. The motley crew that has linked itslef to this organization is a Who's Who of folks who would love nothing more than to see America fail...that's why they are the Enemy!!

* Even though I should know better, I'm still shocked at the sheer number of enemies.

* How nice to see our local muslim terrorists are still aligned with communists, socialists, and unionists.

* Well shiiite! None of this pond scum live in St. Petersburg. Too bad, I was looking for something to do this evening. <5.56mm>


And regarding a particular Coast Guard member whose name was on the list:


* Thanks for posting this and that Coastie's command has been notified. I'm sure he will be relieved at how rosy the unemployment figures currently are.

* I spoke on the phone to a senior chief yesterday in Virginia. He verified that the guy is a real Coastguardsman and assigned to a Cutter. The senior chief could not believe what the guy was doing. He was both astounded and angry. I think Jameel Rashid is in for some big, big trouble.

* You already made the call? Good work. I found the phone number for the USCG Integrated Support Command Portsmouth. When are this idiots going to learn? By his name, he is probably Muslim. The CO will love to have a disgruntled Muslim in his unit.

* Oh my. I just spoke with a senior chief and sent him the link. He is not happy with Jameel. It is a real name, and this clown is on a Cutter.

http://maxspeak.org/mt/archives/000449.html

The real run-down is much worse.

[crossroads]

35. It boggles the mind!

:wtf:

[DavidFL]

39. This part is freakin' scary:

* Well shiiite! None of this pond scum live in St. Petersburg. Too bad, I was looking for something to do this evening. <5.56mm>

I don't live that far from St. Petersberg, and I know nothing about guns, but I presume 5.56mm is a reference to one. However, this should be enough for the police or F.B.I. to start knocking at this guy's door and asking some questions.

[Missy Vixen]

47. FR and the FBI

>However, this should be enough for the police or F.B.I. to start knocking at this guy's door and asking some questions.<

I can't state this strongly enough.

When you see something on FR that breaks local or federal law, (threats, posting someone's personal information such as home address, telephone number, employer, etcetera,) FORWARD IT TO THE FBI. You might also want to save a copy of the entire thread it appears in to your hard drive.

Julie

[Just Me]

109. I agree. This racketeering must be confronted!!! n/t

[PhuLoi]

63. Not to worry about Mr 5.56 any puke that would make

a written statement like that is a punk-ass-biotch too chickenshit to enlist as a groundpounder and face the "enemy" in a stand-up fight. Strictly wannabe.

[Just Me]

53. There simply has to be some serious legal ramifications for this conduct.

Making a list of people who simply have different philosophical or political or religious views to turn into federal agencies or distribute to folks encouraging them to take retaliatory actions is clearly an intentional act to wrongfully violate the constitutional rights of US citizens. If that isn't criminal, I don't know what the fuck is!!!

:argh:

I'll have to do a little research on this issue when I am feeling better. I've felt sick to my stomach for two days over this sh*t.

[Dover]

85. It's similar to the list posted by freepers of abortion doctors

Remember? It was dripping with graphic blood. I believe that once news of the site got out it was shutdown. And an abortion doctor was killed around that time too...

So at the very least, Free Republic ought to be shut down.

[cmayer]

67. The Freepers don't need prosecution. Just exposure and shame.

The people who need to be prosecuted are the people who actually did the deed.

[Just Me]

72. Sorry, but, I don't think they know "shame".

Of course, the people who murdered Berger should be prosecuted. I definitely hope that they are identified, charged, tried, convicted and sentenced, whoever they may be.

However, if the Freepers actions constitute a crime, they should be prosecuted. I suspect preparing a list of people who are ideologically different (and NON-VIOLENT) and attempting to subject such people to prosecution or physical or emotional retaliation is illegal. I haven't had time to research what crimes may have been committed,...but, I certainly intend to.

[cmayer]

73. Well, I agree. They have no shame.

But it should be pointed out to your average everyday Republican who does have shame.

[Just Me]

95. I am starting to come up with some crimes:

Obstruction of justice, harassment and stalking.

I'll keep searching and thinking.

I would think that there were statutes had enacted post-McCarthy to prevent some of this kind of sh*t. Geez, wish I had access to Westlaw. :(

[Just Me]

102. RACKETEERING!!!

This actually popped into my head last night while I was asleep and I jumped up to write it down so that I wouldn't forget to check into it.

Legal Definition here: http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/q008.htm

RACKETEERING ACTIVITY - (A) any act or threat involving murder, kidnaping, gambling, arson, robbery, bribery, extortion, dealing in obscene matter, or dealing in narcotic or other dangerous drugs, which is chargeable under State law and punishable by imprisonment for more than one year; any act which is indictable under the following of 18, U.S.C.: 201 (bribery), 224 (sports bribery), 471, 472, and 473 (counterfeiting), 659 (theft from interstate shipment) if act indictable under 659 is felonious, 664 (embezzlement from pension/welfare funds), 891-894 (extortionate credit transactions), 1029 (fraud with access devices), 1084 (transmission of gambling info), 1341 (mail fraud), 1343 (wire fraud), 1344 (financial institution fraud), 1461-1465 (obscene matter), 1503 (obstruction of justice), 1510 (obstruction of criminal investigations), 1511 (obstruction of State or local law enforcement), 1512 (tampering with a witness, victim, or informant), 1513 (retaliating against a witness, victim, or informant), 1951 (interference w/commerce, robbery, or extortion), 1952 (racketeering), 1953 (transport of wagering paraphernalia), 1954 (unlawful welfare payments), 1955 (illegal gambling businesses), 1956 (laundering of monetary instruments), 1957 (monetary transactions derived from specified unlawful activity), 1958 (use of interstate commerce facilities in murder-for-hire), 2251-2252 (sexual exploitation of children), 2312 and 2313 (interstate transport of stolen motor vehicles), 2314 and 2315 (interstate transport of stolen property), 2321 (traffic in motor vehicles or parts), 2341-2346 (traffic in contraband cigarettes), 2421-24 (white slave traffic); any act indictable under 29 U.S.C. 186 (payments/loans to labor orgs) or 501(c) (embezzlement from union funds); fraud connected with a case under title 11, fraud in sale of securities, or felonious dealing in narcotic/other dangerous drugs; or any act indictable under Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act. 18 USC

[Robin Hood]

29. Fucking scumbags.

It appears that the pentagon is getting is marching orders through the freeper site. Republicans are anti american.

[grok]

30. If i was Berg, I would have told my captors about my dad

about his opposition to the war, and his membership in A.N.S.W.E.R. To have them at LEAST cut me some slack and perhaps let me go. It would sound like a plausible plan.

If Berg did though, it might have backfired.

Think about it.

If your dad was a gung_ho pro-war Repug, Your dad might get even more enraged and and scream for revenge after your head got sawed off alive. At least to save face. You might become a martyr.

On the other hand, If your dad was an anti-war activist, your dad could be counted on, and rightfully so, to blame Bush's war machine after you got killed.

I *think* that's what happened. Berg's dad made him a PERFECT victim for their purposes. Afterall, Berg's dad reacted exactly on cue.

Unfortunately it looks like the voices of outrage and revenge have drowned out the voice of Berg's dad. You barely hear anything about him in the media.

Backfired on everybody.

Grok.

Or am I smoking crack?

[Name removed]

31. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[grok]

32. I didn't say you could reason with them.

All I am saying is that Nick Berg's dad's status as an antiwar activist might have sealed his doom. Since he would blame bush the loudest if his son got killed.

And he does.

Tree

[lostnfound]

44. At this point we don't know WHO killed him, do we?

We really DON'T know. A few masked men impossible to identify. Either 'from a group affiliated with alQaeda' or from someone who wants to blame it on alQaeda.

[Eloriel]

55. He was NOT a MEMEBER - he signed a petition

Big difference. Let's please not create false facts here, eh?

[PartyPooper]

33. What a bunch of hypocritcal lunatics. Why don't they all go to Iraq?

They can serve their fuhrer to their hearts delight. They should bring all of their precious children, too. Death en masse! Bring on the Rapture!

What a disgusting bunch of cowards and faux Christians!

I hope they all rot in hell!

:grr:

[vajraroshana]

36. this is sickening

Everything about this story is sickening.

I couldn't watch the full video online; the closest to the full video I have seen was on CBS news last night. They showed it up to the point where the victim was pushed to the ground and the knife was raised and then they stopped the video, but let some of the sound continue playing.

I couldn't sleep for most of the night last night, and when I did I had nightmares about it.

Reading all the particulars in this case is extremely upsetting; including this info about the creepy-FReepers.

I've read disturbing accounts of previous malevolent psy-ops stuff and this story just reeks with too much of that same ol' MO.

extremely disgusted about this,
barking_23
:tinfoilhat:

[cyr330]

Strange

I read in the paper today and heard on the news that Nick Berg, unlike his father, was a supporter of the Chimp Administration and of the invasion of Iraq. Is that true? Has anybody else heard that?

[Tinoire]

40. Or was that spin on the parents' part to protect their son from Bush?

Had that been my sun, I would have said the same thing :shrug:... anything to protect him or at least try to.

Just a possibility.

[Habibi]

41. I've read that too, and also that he looked for ways to "help people"

Doesn't sound like a Bush supporter to me.

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[laylah]

42. Tinoire

I read this earlier and thought of you and your well researched threads of yesterday...for me, there are no words to describe the feelings that this, on top of all the other atrocities coming down the pike, evoke in me. Nov.2 cannot arrive quickly enough for me!

Keep up the good work and thanks for all you do...

Jenn

[Tinoire]

83. Blush. Way too much credit!

It's my pleasure working with such a fine team! And I never do it alone - I'm just another small, passionate cog in the DU machine ;)

[Name removed]

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[Sgt. Peppers]

48. See that comment along makes you ask more questions about his death

Never trust anyone!

[Just Me]

111. .

[Roon]

49. What are the Freepers saying about all of this?

Anyone know?

[TNOE]

51. Tinoire

I totally credit you for bringing this to light in your Action post. The only good news out of this whole disaster is that people like you (and some of us) - are truly making a difference. I doubt this would have ever come to light if it had not been for you. Just shows we all matter, especially people like you who work so diligently in searching for the truth.

[0007]

52. This Berg thing is indeed disturbing.

It appears to me that Berg had something that someone wanted. Both physical and mental. Berg was not going to relinquish the physical entity to anyone. When Berg was offered a plane by the State Department to leave Iraq Berg refused. Why? I believe he knew he wasn't safe.

A Part from the video the sequence of events are highly questionable.
I watched the video and many questions arise. The Orange jump suit. The demeanor of the terrorist. The blurriness of the video along with the video speed leave much desired to call it authentic.

The information in Berg's head is gone along with the rest of what Berg had. What happened to his computer? Did someone else receive what knowledge Berg had? Is the FBI interested more in Berg's e-mails to his parents than Mr. Berg?

Listen and read from a news sourse

http://www.kyw1060.com/news_story_detail.cfm?newsitemid=37563

[Eloriel]

56. Why are you so sure he actually was offered transportation?

Because they SAID so? I see. And just when is the last time anyone in this govt told the truth about anything? I don't believe they offered him a trip home -- but saying so certainly helps absolve them (helps, I said, doesn't get the job done) of charges of dereliction (not to mention complicity) leading up to his death.

[0007]

59. I'm not sure of anything anymore. Just going by what

I've heard and seen here on my computer. The stories are changing as fast as we can keep up with lying bastards.

[Tinoire]

82. Thanks but undeserving blush.

Way too much credit there. The great thanks goes to all the people who dug stuff up, made salient observations and who e-mailed the information out to 50, 100 other people at a time & posted it on other forums, blogs, discussion site of WRH.

We ARE, as you said, making a difference. Let them never, ever shut us up.

Lefties all over the world, what a great team as my friend Goodhue knows!!

Thanks

[demlandslide2004]

54. thank Sheila Lennon since

she originally broke this story at - NBC web site


Poking around the web, I thought Nick Berg might have had a website, so I searched the name of his company: "Prometheus Methods Tower Service". There were only two results. One, an AP story at IraqNet, "West Chester contractor missing in Iraq," was only viewable in the Google cache.

The second: "HERE IS THE ENEMY -- they have posted their names" is at FreeRepublic.com, a right-wing site.

It is a list of signers of a petition to bring the troops home. One of the names:

Michael S. Berg, Teacher, Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc., West Chester, PA -- Nick Berg's father.

I don't think Nick Berg thought his father is, or ever was, the enemy.

At FreeRepublic.com right now, the lead post is "Alleged Irag Prisoner Abuses.....So what?? Who Cares??" that ends,

"...Am I sorry for the "alleged" Iraqi prisoner abuses?? NO!! I'm only sorry that the story and the photos leaked out. Why should we apologize?? I'm STILL waiting for an apology from the Muslims for September 11th, the Khobart Towers, The USS Cole, Madrid, the murder of Daniel Pearl, and NOW the murder of Nick Berg. Why should we be "polite" and "politically correct" fighting EVIL??..."

We observe The Geneva Convention to protect our own. We declare off limits atrocities we don't want done to our prisoners. It's hard to believe this wasn't explained to the MPs at Abu Ghraib. The poster above doesn't seem to know it, either.

Nick Berg, according to first reports, died for the sins of the Abu Ghraib.

To those who are sorry only that the photos came out, I can only say there were no photos from German concentration camps, but truth came out anyway. Germany has never recovered from what was done in its name in secret there.

There's not a lot of high ground left for anybody to claim right now. If Donald Rumsfeld was having a bad week already, Michael Berg is going to make it a lot worse.

White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said the tape shows the "true nature of the enemies of freedom." He said those responsible have "no regard for the lives of innocent men, women and children." It sounds hollow and simplistic in the light of Abu Ghraib.

I fear that we are on the brink of an ideological civil war in this country far worse than the one tore families apart -- over Vietnam -- in the '60s.

It's time to start over, start fresh. Find a respected former military man with broad international experience to take over the Defense Department. Let him choose general staff who know the cost of war, understand how to keep a peace and share his respect for the ideals of America.

"We have presented ourselves as a value-based country and we are," Colin Powell insists.

It's past time to walk the talk again.


http://www.king5.com/sharedcontent/ptech/weblog2/051104ccdrptechweblog.1b4ae91b0.html

[Tinoire]

91. We'll thank her but we had it first ;)

by about 7 hours. DU scored on this one!

Now about Sheila Lennon. Is there 1 easy place to read more of her stuff? This is someone we are going to like (if she's not here already).

And by the way, welcome to DU!

Demlandslide is a great moniker for these times!

[Politicub]

57. Freepers have a pathology

These enemy death lists that they love to come up with are indicative of some serious mental issues.

FreeRepublic and its supporters are nothing but scum who would love nothing more than to see theocratic rule ushered in in the US. F--k all of them.

[FlaGranny]

64. They are the kind of people

who made Nazi Germany possible. The kind who like to hurt people, so they staffed the concentration camps; and they will spy on neighbors in order to punish them for their beliefs, color, politics - you name it. There are just as many of them here as in any other country. And now, they are more brazen, because of the climate of hatred for "others" that our glorious leader encourages by his own actions. There will be no shortage of volunteers from their ranks, as long as they feel safe. They love revenge, violence, and death. They make me ashamed that they belong to the same species.

[slackmaster]

58. Mr. Berg's name does not appear to be anywhere on the link provided

Either they removed it, or this is a Richard C. Hoagland-style post.

:shrug:

[rinsd]

61. Which link?

I found it one the FR link...use your google highlighter if you have the toolbar.

It doesn't appear on the ANSWER site.

I also copy and pasted all the names to excel spread sheets. The FR list seems to have about 200 more names.

[slackmaster]

62. The FR link...

This one:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092851/posts

Michael S. Berg appears there but not Nick.

[denverbill]

66. Nobody claimed it was on there.

Only that his family firm's name was on there, and his father's name.

That's what the story says.

[slackmaster]

70. Sorry, I should have read past the inaccurate subject line

I let myself be taken in by bad writing. Mea culpa.

[rinsd]

68. Nick was never on the list. His father only. (nt)

[BraveMan]

60. Memorandum

To: VRWC
CC: J. Robinson, D. Rumsfeld, G. Bush, R. Cheney
From: Freepers
Date: 05/13/04
Re: FR/ Pentagon/FBI/CIA link – Release of Bin Laden

Gentlemen (and Ladies),
Given the recent events regarding agent Berg as well as the leak of the FreeRepublic/Shadow Government connection, many of you have considered accelerating the release of information regarding Bin Laden’s capture on November 2003. Please do not let the current highly emotional response of the DNC sway you from adhering to the original timetable.

In order to maximize the November election manipulation, operation “October Surprise” must continue as planned. Attached please find updated copies of the appropriate schedule for your perusal.

Rummy, while in Baghdad, please make sure to follow through with the installation of “Achmed” into the GC as discussed earlier. Thanks.

BM

TBM/plg

Enclosures

[Mountainman]

77. FreeRepublic/Shadow Government connection

Boy that gives Jim Rob a lot of credit. Who is Dumb and who is Dumber? Is it JR then shadow gov or is it the other way around?

[BraveMan]

96. Everybody Loves . . .

. . . a good conspiracy these days.

In order to have a good conspiracy though, you have to identify an enemy. It helps if you gloss over things and don't get too hung up on the details. Nagging thing, those details . . .

To answer your question regarding who is dumber would be a waste of time; we both know the answer. When was the last time you were suitably impressed from the service you received at the hands of the government?

What stretch of the imagination would lead you to believe the Shadow Government is any better at things than the exposed one?

[Just Me]

79. Tell me that you made that up.

You made that up.

[deek]

86. www.peacefresno.org eom

.

[BraveMan]

97. Yes ma'am,

[4_Legs_Good]

65. We don't have an "enemies list" do we??

I sure hope not.

david

[cmayer]

69. We have ad hoc enemies.

No physical threats involved. Just wishing for downfalls.

Bush*, Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc. are always on it. Rush, Hannity, et.al.
A company like Sinclair and Clear Channel pops up on a regular basis.

We know who they are. They probably know who we are.

[DoNotRefill]

94. sure we do....

check the NAACP, the HCI folks, the PETA folks, et cetera. They don't call them "enemies" lists, but what difference is there between an "enemies" list and a boycott list?

[rinsd]

71. They changed the title to reflect that it was Michael Berg and the firm

"Berg's Father and Firm Were On A Right-Wing 'Enemies' List"

Is the new title.

[demlandslide2004]

74. NOW THE STORY IS ON THE PAK NEWS WEB SITE.......

Berg's Father and Firm Were on a Right-Wing Enemies List




http://www.paknews.com/headingNews.php?id=2721&date1=2004-05-13

[Tinoire]

76. Terrific! Let the entire world see the NAZI madness we now have in the US

Berg's Father and Firm Were on a Right-Wing Enemies List
2004-05-13

The family firm of beheaded American Nick Berg, was named by a conservative website in a list of 'enemies' of the Iraq occupation. That could explain his arrest by Iraqi police --a detention which fatally delayed his planned return from Iraq and may have led directly to his death.

Nick Berg, 26 disappeared into incommunicado detention after his arrest by Iraqi police in March, 2004. He vanished again after his release 13 days later. His body was found last Saturday in Baghdad, and a video of his beheading --supposedly by a radical Islamic group-- was posted on the Internet on Tuesday.

The official story of his gruesome murder has many dubious aspects, not least the real reason why Iraqi police detained the young man at a checkpoint. New research by BreakForNews has uncovered a plausible explanation.

<snip>

http://www.paknews.com/headingNews.php?id=2721&date1=2004-05-13

[liarliartieonfire]

80. Who'll be the first to publicy report on mainstream TV??

Covert Freepublic WebSite/Tied to Berg Slaughter
Is Your Name On Their Hit-List?
----------------------------------------------

Keith Olberman???? Lou Dobbs????
Maybe they need to know about this?
Time to fire some e-mails their way.

Expose these little nazi fu*kers.
More bad karma for the Neocons..Another bump for John Kerry's ratings!!!

[Tinoire]

84. Great idea!

The first could be that idiot Hannity though... because they're in such a panic now that they're stooping to pre-emptive spin.

If only the could see how transparent they are and how rapidly they're losing credibility with average Americans.

[demlandslide2004]

98. main stream news picks this up The list appeared on www.freerepublic.com

BY NICOLE WEISENSEE EGAN

Knight Ridder Newspapers



Berg's father demands answers from Bush

PHILADELPHIA - (KRT) - The day he buried his son, Nick Berg's father angrily lashed out at President Bush - and said he had a question for him:

"I would like to ask him if it's true that al-Qaeda offered to trade my son's life for another person," Michael Berg told a small group of reporters early Thursday morning outside his West Chester home.

"And if that is true, well, I need that information," said Berg, a self-proclaimed peace activist who has marched against the Iraq war. "I think that the people of the United States of America need to know what the fate of their sons and daughters might be in the hands of the Bush administration."

more from the story.......

The story on the alternative blog site theorized that information about the Bergs and the "enemies" list made its way to the FBI and, eventually, into the hands of those in Iraq who track or harass anti-war activists entering the country.


The list appeared on www.freerepublic.com, a neo-conservative, pro-war Web site, on March 7. It posted questions from an unidentified reporter from Salon.com Thursday.


http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/nation/8661776.htm

[Tinoire]

100. That is GREAT. Expose that Vermin & let everyone see

what kind of a 'republic' that swine has in mind for America & the world.

FR, a neo-conservative web-site.

[proud patriot]

87. Randi Rhodes is talking about the Freeper Enemy list right now

:hi:

[Tinoire]

90. Please! blow by blow account ! Please n/t

[colonel odis]

89. so they like turning people in. big deal.

two can play at that game.

[Just Me]

110. Taking intentional retributive actions,...

,...aimed at those who simply hold a differing perspective IS a big deal!!! It's an intentional sabotage of others' civil rights.

[WLKjr]

92. Stalin, Hitler Kept Lists

funny how FR is keeping lists too....

[demlandslide2004]

99. Such information would be entered into the databases of US intelligence ag

On March 7, the pro-Bush website FreeRepublic.com published a list of “enemies” who were opposing the US occupation of Iraq. Among the names, taken from a public list of people who had endorsed a planned March 20 antiwar demonstration on the website of the group ANSWER, was Michael Berg—Nick’s father—and the name of the Berg family company. Such information would be entered into the databases of US intelligence agencies as well.

Berg was seized on March 24, within one week of returning to Iraq, and held incommunicado without charges in a Mosul prison for unspecified “suspicious activities.” His parents in Philadelphia were visited by the FBI on March 31 and asked why their son was in Iraq. Berg reported being interviewed at least three times during his detention by FBI agents and asked whether he had constructed pipe bombs or had visited Iran. He was released on April 6 only after his family filed a federal court case against the US government the day before for illegal imprisonment.



http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_7686.shtml

[Tinoire]

101. Exactly. Patriot Act, databases, DARPA, & Freepers

A frightening combination in this day and age where they need no proof.

[demlandslide2004]

103. YOU ARE CORRECT AND NOW FROM ABC RADIO SHOW LAST NIGHT

I found this at the freeper trash web site just now.....

THE JOHN LOFTUS REPORT


The John Batchelor Show
WABC 770 AM News Talk Radio
New York City
Thursday, May 13, 2004
7:35pm, EST


JOHN LOFTUS: Yeah, he did. He met with his uncle, it took a three week search, they finally hooked up. He spent a couple of days when the uncle was very nervous about his presence because he was a white American, uhh, in a dangerous neighborhood. Umm, this is a kid that just loved adventure. Now something odd has happened in this case. Umm, they've found that the used computer that Moussoui bought, he was one of the, uhh, you know, al-Qa'ida terrorists captured in America. The computer that he bought came from Richard Berg. Now what do we make of that? Well, umm, perhaps, uhh, nothing more than one guy bought a used computer from another one. Uhh, perhaps it mean that, uhh, you know, maybe there is, uhh, a leftist group supporting al-Qa'ida within the United States, helping them out with things.

>>>>> Uhh, his dad's name, uhh, popped up on an enemies list from an ultra-right wing site listing all of the groups and organizations, that according to their sad little likes, are anti-American...

SNIP

JOHN LOFTUS: And his friends are coming forward, they're saying: "yeah, he spent time with us. We stayed at this flop house used by poor journalists and aid workers." and, uhh, he said: "Oh yeah, I was imprisoned, it was really cool" and uhh, you know, he had an enjoyable time. Didn't seem to be particularly political, he, uhh, supported what we were trying to do over there, and was, quite frankly, trying to make himself a little bit of money. That seems to be the gist of what his friends and acquaintances are saying about his last days.


>>>>> But then up pops this Moussoui computer, up pops his dad being listed on this, uhh, ultra-radical right wing site on the internet...




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1135479/posts?page=

[sofa king]

106. Don't forget Nixon--he kept a list too.

And that bastard Santa Claus, I hear.

[Claire Beth]

105. I believe it.....

some of those radical right wingers are so nuts they'd do ANYTHING!!!