Bush approval at 44 percent in CBS poll

[lancdem]

I know it's a one-day poll, but it matches the number in the Pew poll.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/12/politics/main617122.shtml

[SensibleCenterist]

1. I hope he fries

548-0 come November.

[AndyTiedye]

3. War Not Worth It 64% to 29%

Only the hardcore Bushbot fundie base still thins the war a good idea.

[Ilsa]

6. What, did these people think

that soldiers were suddenly going to stop dying? That the budget deficit from this obscene fiasco wouldn't continue to grow? How is it that people can't see the trends from an existing policy? I guess their heads are stuck in the sand.

[aquart]

12. My theory: Mom with a martini in early pregnancy.

They just don't see consequences.

[belle]

23. Babs does like the martoonis, now you mention it.

That would explain a lot. Although the self-righteousness must have an origin that isn't strictly physiological; anyway i don't remember insufferable smugness as part of fetal alcohol syndrome.

[Arugula Latte]

35. Babs didn't want to bother her "Beautiful Mind"

So she slogged back the gin and her eldest came out messed up in the head. So the consequences are that this country has alienated the world and her little moron boy has run the country into the ground. Who can worry about such trivia?

[malachi]

42. Babs. Talk about a WMD, look what destruction her spawn

has wrought upon the world.

[TankLV]

47. No, but it DOES cause a total lack of abstract thinking capabilities.

Such as the concept of "now how would I feel if others did the same thing to me";

or the concept of right and wrong and not being able to understand the consequences of any of your actions;

or the complete absense of any morality.

Many persons with the disorder are in prison as convicted killers.

Compassion or empathy is totally alien to such persons.

It's amazing what you can learn when you go to parenting classes. They cover the developmental stages of the fetus - and depending on when the alcohol is injested, can result in everything from a lack of completion of the right and left halves of the head (cleft pallents to "hair lips" - when there is a gap in that vertical depression just above the lips - to the lack of development of certain areas of the brain.

[burrowowl]

2. About time his ratings fall

if things were normal, 90% would disapprove and he would be impeached.

[Old and In the Way]

4. About time.

Events are catching up to him, in spite of the media's efforts to keep clothes on His Nakedness.

To paraphrase (and revise) Richard Perle's rather bizarre utterance, "Our children will be singing songs of ridicule and derision of this administration."

[West Coast Democrat]

5. See! I knew that stupid Gallup polls a few weeks ago....

was just a freak incident.

[Imperialism Inc.]

7. I can't help but feel that 44% is still way too high.

How can that many support this nightmare?

[yelladawg]

8. sweet

Mr. Bush, we are bringing it on.

[natrat]

9. down suckah !

to hell demon

[Hand]

16. Give it time...

It takes a LOT for people to admit they were wrong and even more to get them to do something about it. Fortunately, Chimpy, Crashcart, et al. are making it easier every day.

Remember that it took almost six years to bring down Nixon... let's hope this lot just keep the clusterfuck going strong. I don't see any way they won't...

[Zero Gravitas]

25. Agreed

Some very hard-headed pro-Bush pro-war people I know are starting to wake up. Not all of them, the Talibornagain types will never desert Bush (who else is better suited to trigger the "End Times" than Bush?) but even the most pro-war right wingers are starting to realize what a disaster Mr. Bush's War is. Give it time and the the ratings will continue to fall.

[Arugula Latte]

36. "Talibornagain" -- I love it!

May I borrow that word? Did you come up with it? It's perfect.

[struggle4progress]

43. I'd like it 5 to 10 points lower. eom

[osaMABUSh]

10. MSNBC reports similiar bad news for re-election

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4962832/

Challenger's acceptance lags incumbent's disapproval:

" Kohut of the Pew center pointed out in his Times piece that the lack of a direct correlation between an incumbent’s decline in the polls and a challenger’s ascent was “the same … in the 1980 race. President Jimmy Carter's favorable rating in the Gallup surveys sank from 56 percent in January to 38 percent in June, yet he still led Ronald Reagan in Gallup's horse-race measures. For much of the rest of the campaign, voters who disapproved of Mr. Carter couldn't decide whether Mr. Reagan was an acceptable alternative.”

“Similarly,” Kohut wrote, “in May 1992 President George H. W. Bush had only a 37 percent approval rating according to a Times Mirror Center survey, but the same poll showed him with a modest lead, 46 percent to 43 percent, over Bill Clinton. Only the Democratic convention and the debates brought about an acceptance of Mr. Clinton.” "

[Rowdyboy]

11. Thanks for that link

Its an excellent (and highly encouraging) piece.

:thumbsup:

[TahitiNut]

13. Still 40% too high.

Tar + Feathers + A dozen rails = A new national holiday.

[pinniped]

14. Has this joker's rating ever fallen below 40%?

This clown could/will reduce the Earth to a pile of rubble and the morans will still give him a thumbs up.

>40% ratings no matter what.

Idiots.

[RedSock]

15. if we had a neutral media reporting

he'd be lucky to top 10% favorable.

(actually, he'd probably be run out of office and be standing trial now)

[Dark]

22. I don't remember who it was who said

"Bu$h could walk on to prime time TV and brutally stab a man to death and his poll numbers would still go up."

[left is right]

44. My liberal family has a saying...

"If contacted by a polling group, LIE--they can't steal the election if they don't know their true support." Not that we have ever been polled! Maybe many other people have the same theory

[Lou_C]

48. Reverse psychology would work the best

I love it!

[dusty64]

17. Good, but

I'd feel better if it were 2%.

[theo4487]

18. 40% Blows my mind

I don't understand how one person can believe in his ability. Not just his ability, but his cabinet members' abilities as well. If there is some diehard Republican out there, please explain to all of us here at DU: WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR LOGIC???

[teryang]

21. Had a confrontation with three morans today

demographics: white males age 24 to 37.
education: one college degree, two high school graduates
Military service: none

Belief system:

Bush is performing most basic government function, defense of US against international terrorist threat which manifested in deaths of "6000" on 911. If necessary we should go into every country and root "them" out. Faux is the most reliable news service but even they are naive by discussing or reporting concern for treatment of terrorists and disputing issue Iraqi support of Al qaeda. There's "no doubt" Iraq and al qaeda terrorists are connected.

How could anyone do anything else but do what Bush does?

"911 could have happened to anyone." At this time I contradicted my superior and described LIHOP, and that at the bottom of this bombing and that of Oklahoma and WTC 1993 one could see the involvement of government insiders laying down for terrorism, if one looked deeply enough at the facts.

Response, uproar, noooooooo! noooooooo! How could anyone possibly believe it?

[AMP 397]

46. I agree 2% would be better!

I agree there are so many people that arn't included in these polls that may be Bush voters i believe Kerry Wins after the official ballots are counted. I'm not a big fan of these polls all it does is get us all hyped up for a let down. Id rather win on the actual day.

[The_Casual_Observer]

19. All I can say to this is

"get a life moran"

I can still see the picture of that guy in my mind.

[reprobate]

20. He'll bottom out at 30 to 35%.

That's his base. Of course with even repugs now saying that * should not be elected, it may be lower.

And with these kind of numbers, even Diebold won't help him. It would have to be within a couple of percent for voter machine fraud to work.

It sure is looking good for november. And we may just pick up congress too.

[belle]

24. I could see it going under 30. It won't go under 20.

I think even Lyndon la Rouche could get 20% in a blind poll.

[The_Casual_Observer]

27. Yes, but what a pleasure to be quibbling about 20's and 30's!

[T Bone]

28. Pollsters and the media may be propping his numbers up at this time

because they don't want him in complete collapse until the actual election, for all the reasons that get discussed here on DU. And really as far as I am concerned that is THE best time for his complete collapse. Problem is Rove knows the real numbers now too, unless they are so mired in groupthink mentality that they have turned out their own objective pollsters, which I hope they have.

We have to keep working like hell and like his approval is still at 90% though, right up to and through election day.

Donate, volunteer, vote. Every way you can, Every day you can.

[calimary]

41. DON'T GET COMPLACENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This isn't won yet. Sorry to yell, but OKAY, I'M YELLING ANYWAY!!!!!!!

Don't let this lull you into going back to bed!

Please note (and forgive me for nagging. I may actually post this in its own thread):

I was talking to a "recovering republican" today. His wife is a Dem, about as rabid as I am, and well-read/well-informed. He told me they joked with each other about her being his "commie wife." Throughout our conversation, he kept mentioning how his wife had said the same thing, his wife had been telling him something about this, and so on. He's among the many who are waking up and coming around, and HE TOO used the same terminology I heard from some people yesterday - "bush has really messed things up in Iraq." It's IRAQ and bUSH - grappled together as surely as a bee hive is stuck to a tree limb. The words/terms "bush," Iraq" and "messed things up" or "sure has made a mess" are ALL in the SAME SENTENCE. That notion needs to be reinforced.

Now: Reinforce it with NOTHING BUT FACT. The facts are our best allies. BECAUSE: the hannitys and limbaughs of the world are going to start picking up the latest White House spin: A vote against bush is a vote for al Qaeda/Zarkawi/Saddam/Osama/Hamas/whatever. And there is always the "October surprise."

To be ready for this: MAKE SURE YOU'RE INFORMED AND HAVE FACTS ON THE TIP OF YOUR TONGUE. Frankly, you only need a few of 'em. What we need to do is keep the enlightenment going so it's thoroughly imbedded and reinforced, so that people will see through any capture of Osama or other smokescreen/diversion the republi-CONS throw out there. If we secure in their minds the reality that these people have trumped stuff up, lied, cheated, manipulated the media, preyed upon people's 9/11 fears, and distorted the facts and the record, the ground will NOT be fertile and softened and accepting when they sow their seeds of baloney bushes onto it. At this point, we have to make sure any potential "farming fields" are dry, hard, and unusable, so that what they try to plant will NOT take root. My "recovering republican" friend had heard a little bit about PNAC (from his wise, informed wife), and a little bit about limbaugh and a tiny tiny bit about richard mellon scaife and others who have bankrolled the rightwing and the Clinton persecutions et al.

A VERY useful item to remind them/enlighten them about what kkkarl rove and the bush campaign did to John McCain in South Carolina - with the character assassination and lies about his having fathered a black child out of wedlock." McCain still has BEAUCOUP CURRENCY with just about everybody. People seem all the more acutely aware of his service to his country, his service in Vietnam, his suffering and POW years in Vietnam, and his rather unassailable status as a man of integrity. THEY ALL LOVE JOHN MCCAIN, no matter who they are. This is a GREAT way to get their hackles up and their mouths to drop open. Sure worked today for me, especially since my friend had not heard about that whole sordid business, even while he did know at least a little bit about most of the other stuff I told him about.

What you do, VERY basically, is you SOUR THE MILK so it's unusable by the time the enemy tries to add it in to their recipe. Then, this potential pool of voters cannot be reached. You SOUR the person you're talking to, so that they are naturally, and deep-to-the-bone PREDISPOSED to believe that the bush machine - and all its assorted tentacles - is BAD, DEVIOUS, SNEAKY, MEAN, DECEITFUL, and MANIPULATIVE. I mean, (gasp!!) if they'd DO THAT to JOHN MCCAIN!!!!!
You plant THAT seed in his or her mind. You let it fester. You add a little more water and nutrients to it. It will grow and do the rest for you. It'll thoroughly infuse their thinking about all the rest of it, eventually. People HATE it when they hear how McCain was savaged by the bushies in South Carolina (they besmirched HIS reputation, HIS WIFE's reputation, THEIR INNOCENT, UNDERAGE ADOPTED CHILD's reputation, AND HIS MARRIAGE IN GENERAL). And you MUST refer to it in that way. These guys hit McCain WAY below the belt, and didn't stop there. They attacked his wife, their marriage, and their adopted child. The details MUST - repeat - MUST be mentioned as well. If you wanna slam the door shut on the bushies, and lock it behind you, you MUST include that wording, or words to that effect, in your assertions. And, of course, you could always throw in the old WAR HERO, POW, SUFFERED FOR HIS COUNTRY, SAW COMBAT - versus - pissant who ran off to hide in the Texas Air National Guard, never left the country, and when he transfered to Alabama, he ran off and hid from THERE! And this is the guy who slandered our Good Guy, McCain!!!

Again, it's not that you're pushing McCain so much as you are providing a small illustration that is indicative of a LARGER reality. People who would pull that shit on our hero, McCain, would INDEED be willing and able to do a lot more, to Kerry and whoever else. Throw in Max Cleland, if you like - a triple amputee from Vietnam, WHOSE PATRIOTISM WAS IMPUGNED in the last Senate race in Georgia, by a guy (Saxby Chambliss) WHO IS A BIGTIME CHICKENHAWK who avoided the war, never wore his country's uniform, and never saw combat, and who beat Cleland (and threw him OUT OF A JOB - a triple-amputee veteran of Vietnam)!!!!! Yep, you gotta play it a little shamelessly, I'm afraid. GET OUT THOSE VIOLINS!!! Appeal to their sense of fair play and decency.

You SOUR THE MILK, AND THE GROUND. POISON THE FIELDS so nothing can be planted, and nothing will grow - no matter if bush goes around and personally hands every voter a thousand-dollar bill and the keys to a new SUV. You raise suspicion and promote an air of negativity toward the republi-CONS by doing this. And you will effectively ward off any further incursions the bushies might try to make. You want potential voters looking askance at anything the bushies do, and smelling something fishy - somewhere. ENCOURAGE THAT IMPRESSION. It's a perception. It's very veiled and smoky and misty and intangible. But it's a safeguard for us, for sure.

[sniffa]

26. that's stiLL too high

i want it in the Low 30's in a month.

[vajraroshana]

32. Amen

How in the hell has it ever been over 40%? How? Loaded poll questions? How?

What the hell does it take?

[Mace]

29. So...

So our great moral president is not so moral after all!

This sexual abuse scandal is obviously way more offensive than the president getting a blowjob. At least noone died!

[Arugula Latte]

Welcome to DU Mace!

:hi: :toast:

We're glad you're here.

[Stephanie]

30. That's it! It's over.

Did anyone see Solznick (?) on CSpan the other night speaking to the DLC. He's a Clinton pollster. He illustrated that the only number you need to watch with an incumbent in the race is job approval. He laid graphs over graphs to illustrate that the election totals matched the incumbent's job approval almost perfectly in every case.

[natrat]

31. its a little scarey

to think what Bushco would do if they get desperate

[Hekate]

33. But none of these polls make sense to me

His numbers plummet on questions like "Was the War Worth It" -- but when the pollsters ask "Who Ya Gonna Vote For In November" it's still a tie in so many polls I've read. Are my Fella Murkins freakin' nuts?

Hekate

[Beetwasher]

34. Kick for the wheels coming off

n/t

[osaMABUSh]

45. I posted this a couple of times - don't worry that it's a tie now...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4962832 /

Bottem line: the challenger's acceptance lags incumbent's disapproval:

" Kohut of the Pew center pointed out in his Times piece that the lack of a direct correlation between an incumbent’s decline in the polls and a challenger’s ascent was “the same … in the 1980 race. President Jimmy Carter's favorable rating in the Gallup surveys sank from 56 percent in January to 38 percent in June, yet he still led Ronald Reagan in Gallup's horse-race measures. For much of the rest of the campaign, voters who disapproved of Mr. Carter couldn't decide whether Mr. Reagan was an acceptable alternative.”

“Similarly,” Kohut wrote, “in May 1992 President George H. W. Bush had only a 37 percent approval rating according to a Times Mirror Center survey, but the same poll showed him with a modest lead, 46 percent to 43 percent, over Bill Clinton. Only the Democratic convention and the debates brought about an acceptance of Mr. Clinton.” "

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[jpak]

38. This is not good!!!!!!!!

A cornered chimpanzee is a very dangerous animal - they are capable of anything....

:)

[Say_What]

39. Like father, like son, one term then gone...

[Ganja Ninja]

40. When we start to see a real sincere Dump Bush campaign from ...

the republicans I'll finally believe it's over.

[BonjourUSA]

49. That's very well, but we have the same question, always and always :

How 44% (10% would still be too much) of Americans want Bush to be President ? We asked ourselves the same question four years ago. I find some answers here but it's always a great mystery.

I listened this morning a French radio report at Harward.The students are 90% to be Rep and support Bush ! They want to fire their profs because they are Dem ! I believed they were the top of the future America.