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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:31 PM
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U.S. may cut water to state (CA, AZ, and NV) | Sacramento Bee
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 12:31 PM by DinoBoy
U.S. may cut water to state
Southwest drought slashes Colorado River flows.



Boats at the Las Vegas Marina on Lake Mead,
which straddles the Nevada-Arizona border,
are still afloat, but five years of drought
in the Southwest have dropped the lake's level
by 80 feet to 58 percent of capacity.


By Stuart Leavenworth -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PDT Tuesday, April 27, 2004

The Bush administration is threatening to impose unilateral water cutbacks on California, Arizona and Nevada if the three states can't come up with a plan to deal with a historic drought on the Colorado River.

Following five years of dry weather, the two largest reservoirs on the Colorado are roughly half-empty and dropping fast, and Interior Department officials are urging water agencies to work together on a contingency plan or have one imposed on them.

"We need the three basin states to get their act together and deal with shortages," said Assistant Interior Secretary Bennett Raley in a recent meeting with water officials from California, Arizona and Nevada. If the three states can't work out a plan, he said, the Interior secretary "will have to do it."

More at the Sacramento Bee
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:34 PM
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1. Posted this on Environment/Energy - not even a ripple
Which is surprising, given that this is absolutely explosive. No Colorado River water = no Phoenix, no Tucson, no Las Vegas. Even delivery cutbacks on the order of 10-15% would be simply devastating.

This is a big, big story.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:36 PM
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3. no one visits environment/energy
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:47 PM
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6. Yeah, tell me about it!
Thanks for putting this up where somebody will actually see it!
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:01 PM
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11. it's sad but true :-(
I'd actually support scrapping the general discussion forum altogether so people would actually visit the subject forums....

Oh well...
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:52 AM
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49. I'm with you, DinoBoy
The Environment and Activism forums are always slow, and these are two areas that progressives should really be involved in (while we still have the power to do anything at all)!
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gypsy11 Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:39 PM
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16. I visit the
environment/energy board all the time, I just don't post much. :hi:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:36 PM
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4. Didn't Las Vegas know this was coming
They keep building more houses and they have almost no water. How stupid.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:50 PM
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7. Yes, and all those lights
generated by electricity from the damm. Is that not true? Maybe Las Vegas will close down!!! No, they'll use mules and cheap labor to crank things like the olden days.
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ijk Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:59 PM
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10. Yup.
Phoenix too. If this were actually to happen as described, it would probably be a good thing - it would force the southwest to seriously address water issues before we've turned them into a totally unrecoverable environmental and social disaster, since at present we're draining groundwater like there's no tomorrow.

I don't trust the water-privatization boys at BushCo, of course; this is probably some scheme or other.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:07 PM
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12. Oh, good grief...
"I don't trust the water-privatization boys at BushCo, of course; this is probably some scheme or other."

When I see fresh Colorado river spilling out into the Gulf of California maybe I'll believe that.

But no, this is Mother Nature smacking us in the head.

We're gonna have to get used to that. I think God's gonna let her have her way with us.
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ijk Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:34 PM
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38. I think you misunderstand me
I wasn't referring to the water shortages. I was talking about the administration threat to order cutbacks to the river use. It's a logical thing to do, but it's also potentially a wedge for all sorts of possible plans.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:26 PM
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52. Water is a terrible "wedge" issue...
Edited on Wed Apr-28-04 12:30 PM by hunter
It is worse than electricity. I don't think people realize how unstable the electricity situation was in California when the big power corporations started to squeeze us. Just a few more "rolling blackouts" and I think the general population would have been out with pitchforks and torches attacking politicians and power company executives indiscriminately.

In a fight to the death, the State of California probably would have had to seize power generating facilities.

People become rabid socialists very quickly when the lights go out and they can't flush their toilets. The federal government would probably have to send out the army to protect golf courses if the federal government, in cahoots with large corporations, started to squeeze average citizens, who have never played golf, with any extreme sort of rationing, especially any sort of rationing based on "market" pricing schemes or further privatization.

In many places where the local water companies are owned by American Water Works and their subsidiaries, especially in places where the water comes from wells, people of all political persuasions often threaten to "take over" the water company for such trivial reasons as poor customer service.

I imagine quite a few of my own neighbors (some of them who own big guns) have all the technical skills needed to defend and maintain our local water supply. As a consequence our local AWW company has very good customer service and very strong disincentives that prevent them from "ripping off" their customers. I'll bet that I, simply as an average customer, could go look at their local books and records of meetings with public officials, and they would probably offer me coffee while I was there. It's not at all like the larger situation with Dick Cheney's energy meeting notes which will probably have to be pried from Cheney's cold dead hands (not that I wish our President Vice President any harm, of course, only justice...)

The same situation applies at larger scales, up to the state level. If the situation becomes too dire, I have no doubt that California, Nevada, and Arizona would quite happily tell the Federal Government to take a hike if the people of these states feel they are getting an unfair or rotten deal.

Water, especially in the West, is a very serious matter. Using it as a "wedge issue" is a very stupid and dangerous thing to do...

...sorta like occupying Iraq. :scared:

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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 07:59 PM
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32. Yes we do and we have for some time now.
The fact is that California has overused its alloted amount for decades - to the detriment of the rest of the states involved with the agreement.

In the Las Vegas valley water district - they've had major restrictions for about 2 years now - the most stringent being in this past year - no new lawns, no car washing, water saving landscaping, etc. - and we were asked to cut back our usage be 10-15% - and we've cut back over 20% - so they are rewarding us by easing some of the lesser-impact regulations.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:38 PM
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15. I think Vegas recycles most of their water.
I've heard they have a pretty advanced reclamation process used in all the hotels.
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CharlieBakerAble Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:11 PM
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34. Did this devastating revelation start in 2001?
Or was it more around the timeframe that the racist RKBA Americans started to take over America with their 2nd amendment beliefs?
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 10:49 AM
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39. WTF does bearing arms
Have to do with droughts and water shortages?

BTW, there are a LOT of Democrats who are also fervent RKBA/2nd Amendment supporters (even NRA supporters) here and nationwide. Owning guns and exercising a constitutional right is not a strictly republican activity.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:25 AM
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45. Thank You
From a far left gun toting liberal. ;-)
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Citizen Kang Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:43 AM
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47. Actually
Phoenix gets its water from the Verde, Salt, and Gila river basins. Not from the Colorado. Tucson, might get some from the Colorado, but it also gets some from the Santa Cruz.

Either way, all of those rivers are drying up and we are looking at major water restrictions in California, Nevada and Arizona. Nevada is even turning to the fake, field turf lawns. IF things keep up, I will join them.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:03 PM
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54. CAP is the biggest single source for the state
Edited on Wed Apr-28-04 01:24 PM by hatrack
"Central Arizona Project is designed to bring about 1.5 million acre-feet of Colorado River water per year to Pima, Pinal and Maricopa counties. CAP carries water from Lake Havasu near Parker to the southern boundary of the San Xavier Indian Reservation southwest of Tucson. It is a 336-mile long system of aqueducts, tunnels, pumping plants and pipelines and is the largest single resource of renewable water supplies in the state of Arizona."

http://www.cap-az.com//about/index.cfm?action=cover

The Gila, Salt and Verde projects all supply a good chunk of the city's needs, as does nonrenewable groundwater, but the Colorado is still the biggest single source statewide.

On edit: I found an interesting link to the Salt River Project. As of 4/28, the entire system has only about 1.1 million acre-feet in storage.

http://www.srpwater.com/dwr/report.asp?dt=4/28/2004

All I can say is that people out there better start raindancing hard!



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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:06 PM
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51. Sorry hatrack
I read most of the stuff there but rarely comment.I consider you one of the very best posters on DU.Dont get discouraged,some of us do read the stuff you post with interest.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:34 PM
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2. and the cost of water will go up, up, up
nt
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:37 PM
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5. They'll privatize it and make a killing.
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 12:37 PM by Joanne98
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:55 PM
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8. How many people could Nevada support without the Colorado River?
I'm thinking a population no more than 100,000 state-wide.

That might be a bit high, however. Does Nevada have any natural watersheds? (near Reno, maybe?)
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:58 PM
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9. Nevada has the Humboldt near the center, and other watersheds to the north
All of these sources are far from any of the population centers, however. There's also Lake Tahoe, which is pretty close to Reno & Carson City.

There is also substantial groundwater, but there have been some true political shitstorms between Las Vegas and the rural areas not keen on the idea of their only reliable water reserves going to fill the fountains at the Luxor.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:20 PM
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13. That's actually more than I thought
But no way does it sound like enough to support Las Vegas.

You know, digressing a bit, but I wonder how many areas of the country are supporting WAY over their carrying capacity (say, without cheap electricity, pipelined water and fossil fuels, etc...)?

Personally, I think I prefer to stay on my damp, often-swampy-smelling isthmus...
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:31 PM
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14. Well, the Humboldt's not much of a river
It's dependent on snowmelt in the NE part of the state around Elko and Winnemucca. As it flows to the southwest, it slowly peters out into some marshes, where it evaporates in the summertime.

The Owyhee and Jarbridge also rise in Nevada, but in the mountains of the far north, where essentially no one lives. Any diversion of these rivers would involve an aqueduct or pipeline about 500 miles long, which would be a bit, uh, pricey.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:40 PM
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17. Baaaad move, Bush* Administration
If there's one animal you don't want to back into a corner, it's the Western States water users.

Water is one of the defining characteristics of western politics, and any threat to cut resources to California is going to cause a serious ruckus. They've been overdrafting their allowance from the lower basin for years, and have just begun cutting back because of demands from Arizona and Nevada.

Here in Tucson, we JUST resumed using water from the CAP (Central Arizona Project) canal that lifts water from the Colorado River and carries it south through Phoenix to Tucson.

While I think our use of water here in the west is a serious problem, in politics it is (almost) a third rail. It will be interesting to see how the Bush* Admin plays this out.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:57 PM
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18. a good start...
would be to banish lawns & golfcourses from the desert. Put a few real estate developers in the stocks for good measure. What's happening to the Sonoran desert around Tuscon is a crying shame.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 02:10 PM
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20. Yes, I know. We have something like 30-some golf courses around here
But Tucson has done relatively well concerning water use since the 1980's. It's the spread of communities around Tucson that are a problem, as they don't regulate water use as the city does. We still could use less, though.
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 07:45 PM
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31. does Phoenix still air-condition the outdoors?
When I was in Phoenix on summer a few years back, I saw a lot of businesses misting the outdoors: do they still do that?

linda
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:57 PM
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37. I don't know about Phoenix, but some do that here in Tucson
While it's an energy efficient way to cool in a dry climate, evaporative cooling uses lots of water. The water department here has been working to get people to reuse the runoff from their swamp coolers, but they still use a lot of water.

Bottom line: It's hot here, and people are in denial about having to coexist with the local climate.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:02 AM
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40. Oh, keep the golf courses
But just make them 99.9% sand traps :-)
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:20 AM
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43. sure, why not...
complete with sidewinders. Let's keep it real!
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 02:00 PM
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19. in 2000/2001 wasn't there DU discussion of oil cos buying up water rights
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 02:01 PM by bobbieinok
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:15 PM
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35. Enron, Azurix, American Water Works, Tom Ridge - 4 easy steps
I remember that another DUer tracked down:

- Enron had a spin-off named Azurix, which bought up management contracts for water systems in a number of US metro areas.

- Azurix was sold off after the bust, pennies-on-the-dollar, to American Water Works.

- the CEO and major stockholder of American Water Works was Tom Ridge's campaign manager in his last run for governor of PA. This CEO also sits on the board of the American Enterprise Institute (neo-con un-think tank), and the boards of a half-dozen major corpoRATions.

- American Water Works is in the process of being sold off to an extremely large utilities multinational based in Germany.

- American Water Works is the largest US water company, with the bulk of water systems in something like 25-30 US states.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 02:02 PM
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58. stinky deals...
American Water Works is in the process of being sold off to an extremely large utilities multinational based in Germany.

Maybe because corrupt Enron-style American businessmen saw they couldn't milk the water system as easily as they could the electric power system.

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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 02:14 PM
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21. California's problems are monumental
I was born there in 1939 and lived there until 1994. Each year saw incremental problems in ALL facets of life become somewhat insurmountable..........so very sad to see this happen!
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 06:36 PM
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22. Gives * Something Else to Threaten California With
Vote Democratic, and no more water for us.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 06:49 PM
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23. Water wars
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 06:51 PM by Disturbed
There are wars regarding oil and there will be wars regarding water.

Little attention has been paid to this while private Corps are gobbling up water rights. I have posted this before and noone responded to it. Water doesn't seem to be an important issue to most people because most people take it for granted even though water is more important than oil for the survival of all life on the planet!

Bechtel And Blood For Water:
War As An Excuse For Enlarging Corporate Rule

by Dr. Vandana Shiva
25th April 03

Within a month of the start of the war against Iraq, the real victor is emerging. With its $680 million contract for "rebuilding" Iraq, Bechtel is the winner of this war. The U.S. led war first bombed out Iraq's hospitals, bridges, water works, and now U.S. corporations are harvesting profits from "reconstructing" a society after its deliberate destruction. Blood was not just shed for oil, but also for control over water and other vital services. In a period of declining economic growth and a slowing down of the globalization juggernaut, war has become a convenient excuse for enlarging corporate rule. If W.T.O. is not enough, use war.

This seems to be the underlying economic and political philosophy of the neo-conservatives ruling the U.S. and trying to rule the world. What the past month has revealed is the total and rotten corruption on which the new world order is based.

As Bob Herbert states in "Ask Bechtel what war is good for" (Herald Tribune, April 22, 2003 p6)

Somewhere George Shultz is smiling/.

Shultz, whose photo could appropriately appear next to any definition of the military-industrial complex, was secretary of state under President Ronald Reagan and has been a perennial heavyweight with the powerful Bechtel Group of San Francisco, where he previously reigned as president and is now a board member and senior counselor.

Under the headline "Act Now; The Danger Is Immediate," Shultz, in an op-ed article in The Washington Post last September, wrote: "A strong foundation exists for immediate military action against Hussein and for a multilateral effort to rebuild Iraq after he is gone."

Gee, I wonder which company he thought might lead that effort.

Last week Shultz's Bechtel Group was able to demonstrate exactly what wars are good for. The Bush administration gave it the first big Iraqi reconstruction contract, a prized $680 million deal over 18 months that puts Bechtel in the driver's seat for the long-term reconstruction of the country, which could cost $100 billion or more.

Bechtel essentially was given a license to make money. And that license was granted in a closed-door process that was restricted to a handful of politically connected U.S. companies.

Saddam's dictatorship is being replaced by U.S. corporate dictatorship -- with little distinction left between those who sit in board rooms and those who sit in the White House, Pentagon and other institutions of government. Indeed, the distinction between Saddam’s dictatorship and the occupying US forces appears slimmer by the day. On May 12, Patrick Tyler and Edmund Andrews of the New York Times described “Teams of administrators have had to live in isolation behind razor wire and machine-gun positions at Mr. Hussein's Republican Palace…. Iraqis could not easily enter the palace compound to meet with the Americans.”

And the poster boy for the US corporate takeover is Bechtel. Bechtel enterprises, a privately held firm, is the world's largest construction company, having been involved heavily in the US's construction boom in the post WWII period. They are responsible for over 19,000 projects in 140 countries, with operations on all continents (save Antarctica). Bechtel is involved in over 200 water and wastewater treatment plants around the world, in large part through its subsidiaries and joint ventures such as International Water (which is partnership of Bechtel, Edison of Italy, and United Utilities in the UK).

The executives at Bechel have thirsted for control over the ancient land of Iraq for over 20 years. It was in 1983 that Donald Rumsfeld, as the “special Middle East envoy” of the Reagan administration, met with Sadam Hussein to discuss a massive pipeline project proposed by Bechtel. Saddam Hussein, who had a habit of preferring French, German, and Russian companies, eventually rejected the Bechtel proposal. Now again Donald Rumsfeld has “taken care of business” for Bechtel. As Secretary of Defense, he has overseen the war to remove the obstacle of Saddam Hussein, and Bechtel is rolling in.

Non-transparency and corruption

China's non-transparency has been highlighted in the case of SARS. The US’ lack of transparency is highlighted by Bechtel. The way in which Bechtel got the largest contract for Iraq's reconstruction is a glaring example of how corporate rule is established. Whether it is water privatization contracts in Bolivia or India, or "reconstruction" contracts for Iraq, secrecy and lack of democracy and transparency characterizes the methods for gaining markets and profits.

In the case of the contract for rebuilding Iraq, US laws governing agency procurement were suspended. The standard competitive bidding process was ignored, and the US Agency for International Development (USAID) hand picked a few select companies to bid on the contract. Of these, only two actually bid, with Bechtel emerging victorious.

People are already questioning the process USAID and the Department of Defense used in awarding contracts for work in Iraq. The US General Accounting Office has launched a sweeping investigation, and a group of Senators have introduced a bill requiring the agencies involved to disclose more details. As examples from around the world show, this secretive collusion of huge corporations and government bureaucrats is not an isolated phenomenon.

"Free trade" is clearly totally unfree. It is coercive, corrupt, deceitful and violent. Corporate rule is not an alternative to Saddam style dictatorship. It is replacing one dictatorship with another -- the dictatorship of corporations which have hijacked state power and use military might to grab markets.

The intrinsic dishonesty and deceit of corporate dictatorship seems to not be apparent to those who impose it in the name of "operation Iraqi freedom". This seems to arise from a fundamental confusion about freedom and creation.

When the artifacts of the 7000 year history of Mesopotamia were destroyed in the presence of the U.S. military, Ronald Rumsfeld's naïve and irresponsible comment was -

Free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things.

On this logic, the terrorists who crashed planes into the World Trade Centre towers were exercising a legitimate freedom to "commit crimes and do bad things". And on the same logic that made the U.S. military presence a mute spectator allowing Baghdad and its historical treasures to be looted, the U.S. had no right to start a war against terror after 9/11.

Just as there is confusion about what human freedom entails among those trying to create "freedom" for others through war, there is confusion about reconstruction and "destruction". What happened in Iraq was destruction. It is being referred to as reconstruction. Innocent people were killed, thousands of years of a civilization’s history was destroyed and erased. Yet, Jay Garner - the retired U.S. General appointed unilaterally as head of office for Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance, talked about "giving birth to a new system in Iraq".

Bombs do not give "birth" to society. They annihilate life. New societies are not "born" by destroying the historical and cultural legacy of ancient civilizations.

May be the choice to allow destruction of Iraq's historical legacy was a pre-requisite for this illusion of giving "birth" to a new society.

Maybe the rulers in U.S. do not perceive these violations because their own society was built on the genocide of native Americans. Annihilation of the "other" seems to be taken as "natural" by those controlling power in the world's lone super power. May be the perception of the deliberate destruction of a civilization and thousands of innocent lives as a "birthing" process is an expression of the western patriarchy's "illusion of creation" which confuses destruction with creation and annihilation with birthing. The "illusion of creation" identifies capital and machines, including war machines as sources of "creation" and nature and human societies, especially non-western societies as either dead, inert, passive, or dangerous and cannibalistic. This worldview creates the "white man's burden" for liberating nature and our societies even with violence, and seeing it as the "birth" of freedom.

Whatever the deeper roots of establishing an economy of loot and violence in Iraq in the name of "re-construction", the profiteering from war by corporations like Bechtel confirms that war is globalisation by other means. For people worldwide the challenge is to converge the energies of the anti-globalisation movement, the peace movement and movements for real democracy.

Our challenge is to reclaim the real meaning of freedom, rescuing it from the degradations it has been subjected to by the doublespeak of "free trade" and the doublespeak of "operation Iraqi Freedom". The "freedom" being sought through free trade treaties and rules of W.T.O. and the "freedom" resulting from the Iraq war is freedom of corporations to profit. This freedom is a license to loot. And corporate loot and corporate freedom is destroying democracy and freedom for people and societies.

The new freedom people seek worldwide is freedom from corporate dictatorship facilitated and enabled by militarism and war.

This is as important for citizens of Iraq and other countries invaded by global corporations under the protection of military or "free trade" treaties, as it is for the citizens of the U.S.

Add Water: a Recipe for Conflict

The Tigris and Euphrates rivers are a water lifeline in the arid Middle East. The alluvial plain between the two rivers was the cradle of ancient civilizations including Assyria, Babylonian, and Sumer. Millions in the ancient land of Mesopotamia have been supported by its waters. Today these rivers represent a precious resource for the people of the region.

There are already in conflict over these two rivers. Turkey’s massive dam building projects, especially the GAP project, have upset the riparian states of Syria and Iraq. With over half the flow of both rivers generated in Turkey, the dams put the country in a position to regulate river flow. Syria and Iraq have worried that Turkish irrigation and electricity generation needs will determine how much water flows to them, and have disputed Turkish claims to guarantee a minimum flow. UNESCO recently announced at the a body of scientific mediators would be formed to handle international water disputes such as these.

The introduction of Bechtel, a company which has a history of aggravating water conflict (see Bolivia below), into the situation is a recipe for disaster. Its contract for rebuilding Iraq includes, but is not limited to “municipal water systems and sewage systems, major irrigation structures, and the dredging, repair and upgrading of the Umm Qasr seaport.” Bechtel’s past record of pushing the privatization of water has destabilized local communities in other parts of the world. In the parched middle-east, with an already seething international water dispute, an attempt by a multinational water giant to grab this precious resource could spark ongoing water wars.

Bechtel in Bolivia

The most famous tale of Bechtel's corporate greed over water is the story of Cochabamba, Bolivia. In the semi-desert region, water is scarce and precious. In 1999, the World Bank recommended privatisation of Cochabamba’s municipal water supply company (SEMAPA) through a concession to International water, a subsidiary of Bechtel. On October 1999, the Drinking Water and Sanitation Law was passed, ending government subsidies and allowing privatization.

In a city where the minimum wage is less than $100] a month water bills reached $20 a month, nearly the cost of feeding a family of five for two weeks. In January 2000, a citizen’s alliance called “La Coordinara” de Defense del Aqua y de la Vida (The Coalition in Defense of Water and Life) was formed and it shut down the city for 4 days through mass mobilisation. Between Jan and Feb 2000, millions of Bolivians marched to Cochabamba, had a general strike and stopped all transportation]. The government promised to reverse the price hike but never did. In February 2000, La Coordinara organised a peaceful march demanding the repeal of the Drinking Water and Sanitation Law, the annulment of ordinances allowing privatization, the termination of the water contract, and the participation of citizens in drafting a water resource law. The citizens’ demands, which drove a stake at corporate interests, were violently repressed. Coordinora’s fundamental critique was directed at the negation of water as a community property. Protesters used slogans like “Water is God’s gift and not a merchandise” and “Water is life”.

In April, 2000 the government tried to silence the water protests through market law. Activists were arrested, protestors were killed, and media was censored. Finally on April 10, 2000, the people won. Aquas del Tunari and Bechtel left Bolivia. The government was forced to revoke its hated water privatisation legislation. The water company Servico Municipal del Aqua Potable y Alcantarillado (SEMAPO) was handed over to the workers and the people, along with the debts. In summer 2000, La Coordinadora organised public hearings to establish democratic planning and management. The people have taken on the challenge to establish a water democracy, but the water dictators are trying their best to subvert the process. Bechtel is suing Bolivians, and the Bolivian government is harassing and threatening activists of La Coordinadora.

If we go by the lessons from Bolivia, Bechtel will try and control the water resources, not just the water works of Iraq. If the international community and the Iraqis are not vigilant, Bechtel could try and own the Tigris and Euphrates, as it tried to "own" the wells of Bolivia.

Bechtel in India

In India Bechtel was involved with Enron in the infamous Dabhol power plant project. This disastrous project involved the suppression of local protests, circumventing environmental regulations, and secret deals worth billions of dollars. The parties in the state government elections even faught over this issue, with the party opposed to the deal winning the election, but then turning around and cutting a new contract for the power plant anyway.

Bechtel is now involved in water privatisation of Coimbatore/Tirrupur as part of a consortium with Mahindra and Mahindra, United International North West Water. As with other water privatisation contracts, the contract has not been made public. Business that can only be carried out behind closed doors, under secrecy, does not promote freedom. It extinguishes both freedom and democracy.

Conclusion

War has been an excuse for profiteering in the past. Bechtel’s behavior in World War II helped inspire Ralph Casey of the US General Accounting Office to state, "at no time in the history of American business, whether in wartime or in peacetime, have so many men made so much money with so little risk, and all at the expense of the taxpayers, not only of this generation but of generations to come.”

The Bechtel contract, and the Iraq war which created the opportunity for profits in "reconstruction," have thrown up issues of lack of democracy transparency and accountability in the way economic and political decisions are made by a U.S. administration which has become indistinguishable from U.S. corporations. A regime in which governments became instruments of corporate interest is no longer a democracy. Instead of governance being "of the people, by the people, for the people", governance becomes "of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations".

For democracy to thrive a "regime change" is urgently needed, in the U.S., in Iraq, and in every country where corporate dictatorship is getting entrenched.

Bechtel presence in various Projects in India
Description of work

Bechtel International Inc. Dhabol Power Phase-II, Guhagar, Ratnagiri Dist. High

Pressure water jetting of steam service pipelines

Tanda Thermal Power Station High pressure water jetting cleaning for surface condenser for 4 x 110 mw plant

GAIL, Aurraiya Pipeline cleaning with Rotating Hose Device Water Jetting

Consolidated fibres & Chemicals Ltd. Durgachak, Haldia, West Bengal High pressure water jetting cleaning of Evaporator and Preheater tubes

Indian Oil Corporation, Baruni Refinery, Baruni, Bihar High pressure water jetting cleaning of heat exchangers

Supreme Petrochem Ltd. Nagothane Chemical cleaning of Heat exchanger and Reactor

Toyo Engg. India Ltd. Pre-Commissioning Chemical Cleaning and Nahta

Furnaces/Steam Drums Exchangers and Pipeline System At Haldia Petrochemical Complex.

Reliance Petroleum Ltd. Non-conventional flushing of small dia & large dia Pipeline with hydrojetting & quick flush technology

Dhabol Power Corp. Ltd. Dhabhol, Maharashtra Pre Commissioning Chemical

Cleaning, Hydro jetting of condensate system.

GAIL UPPC Dist Aurya (U.P.) Chemical cleaning and passivation of pipeline equipments at UPPC, PATA Auriya

ONGC, BPA BA Platform, South Bassein Field (Through Essar Oil Ltd.) a) On line chemical cleaning of cooling water circuits of gas processing platform.

b) Chemical cleaning of plate heat exchangers and cooling water receiving console.
Reliance Industries Ltd. Naptha cracker plant, Hazira Pre-commissioning of cleaning services using silent steam blowing, slug flush and hydroblasting of captive power plant and NGL/Naptha Cracker Plant.

Gas Authority of India Ltd. Vijaipur, Guna, M.P. Pre-commission Chemical Cleaning of pipelines & vesselslinked with Propane Refrigeration Compressor of PRU II

Naval Dockyard, Mumbai Chemical cleaning of Boiler

Mangalore Refineries & Petrochemicals Ltd. Mangalore Chemical cleaning of Surface Condensers.

Indian Farmers Fertilizer Corp. Ltd., Aonia Unit, P.O. IFFCO, Township Chemical cleaning of Syn-loop Boiler supplied by L & T

Cyprus Petroleum Refinery Nicosia, Cyprus Pre-commissioning Chemical of 4 Nos. Power Plant Boilers.

National Organic Chemical Industries Ltd. Mumbai Chemical cleaning of Boiler, Heat Exchangers during shut down

Dubai Electricity Co. Post operational Chemical cleaning of 5 Nos. 500 M.W. Boilers.

Hindustan Fertilizers Cooperation Ltd. Namroop, Assam Chemcal cleaning of internal surface of tube bundles for HFCL on behalf of L&T using Citric Acid

Adarsh Chemicals & Fertilizer Chemical cleaning of Maleic/Anhydride Reactor

Rashtriya Chemicals & Fertilizer Ltd. Methyl Amine Project
a) Pre-commissioning of Chemical Cleaning of Deaerator, Waste Heat Boiler, Feed Water System
b) Pre-commissioning of Chemical Cleaning of Equipment And Heat Exchangers.

Rashtriya Chemicals & Fertilizer Ltd - (Ammonia Rehabilitation Project) Chemical cleaning of Boilers, Deaerator and Boiler Feed Water System in Ammonia

Rehabilitation Project & Methanol Revamping Project

Enron Oil and Gas India Ltd. High pressure water jetting & corrosion monitoring and specially chemicals.

Larsen & Toubro Ltd. Chemical cleaning

Sterlite Industries India Ltd. Carbon brick lining

Nestle Epoxy Grout

McDonalds Epoxy Grout

BHEL Structural Rehabilitation

ONGC Glass Flake Lining

Reliance Carbon brick lining

NDDB Epoxy Grout.
Bechtel Subsidiaries' Name

Subsidiary's Name

Aguas del Tunari
Aqua
Bechtel (UK)
Bechtel Ltd.
Bechtel Nevada
Bechtel Water Technology
Catchment
Catchment (Tay)
Dabhol Power
EDS/Bechtel
Guayaquil Interagua
Intergen
Intergen (China)
Intergen (Colombia)
Intergen (Mexico)
Intergen (Philippines)
International Water
Manila Water Company
Samalayuca Power
Sofiiska Voda
Tallinn Water
US Water

Country

Bolivia
P oland
UK
UK
USA
UK
UK
UK
India
USA
Ecuador
UK
China
Colombia
Mexico
Philippines
UK
Philippines
Mexico
Bulgaria
Estonia
USA

http://www.vshiva.net/aticles/bechtel&blood.htm






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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 07:09 PM
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25. Whoa! Sobering read.
Thanks for that. I have it bookmarked.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 07:19 PM
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27. That is one awesome post, Disturbed....
Damn! What can I say?

:kick:
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 06:51 PM
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24. Step one
Run pipe line from Lake Michigan.

Step two run pipe line from Lake Superior.

And so on.

180
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 07:10 PM
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26. Step two...
Take Bechtel to court. Bust 'em up. Jail 'em.

Step three...

Put George WMD Bush in jail.

Step four....

Put Donald Rumsfeld UNDER the jail.

Step five...

Take the vote OUT of the hands of corporations.


:kick:
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Eureka Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 07:22 PM
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28. Nah, pipes won't do it
you need to put a really big jack under the right hand side of the country and lift it up a bit, making all the water run to the left :-)

The area the jack sits under will be a bit wrecked, so I suggest doing it under DC, just for fun.


In all seriousness, we have these problems here on the driest inhabited continent, and they are amazingly serious.

Hi 180!
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:10 AM
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41. I. Don't. Think. So...
as a chicagoan and lake michigan water user, I can safely say that the citizens of the great lake states are not about to let the idiots who build/buy homes in the fucking desert siphon off our GREAT lakes.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:20 AM
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42. I live on
The shore of Lake Erie.



180
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:50 AM
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48. that explains a LOT. if I lived next to lake eerie-
I'd probably be all for pumping out the cesspool, and piping it out west...but lets leave Lakes Michigan and Superior out of the equation.
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no_arbusto Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 07:23 PM
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29. "New World Water" by Mos Def
Artist: Mos Def
Album: Black on Both Sides
Song: New World Water



There's nothing more refreshing (that cool refreshing drink)
Than a cool, crisp, clean glass of water
On a warm summer's day (That cool refreshing drink)
Try it with your friends

New World Water make the tide rise high
Come inland and make your house go "Bye" (My house!)
Fools done upset the Old Man River
Made him carry slave ships and fed him dead nigga
Now his belly full and he about to flood somethin
So I'ma throw a rope that ain't tied to nothin
Tell your crew use the H2 in wise amounts since
it's the New World Water; and every drop counts
You can laugh and take it as a joke if you wanna
But it don't rain for four weeks some summers
And it's about to get real wild in the half
You be buying Evian just to take a fuckin bath
Heads is acting wild, sippin poor, puffin dank
Competin with the next man for higher playin rank
See I ain't got time try to be Big Hank,
Fuck a bank; I need a twenty-year water tank
Cause while these knuckleheads is out here sweatin they goods
The sun is sitting in the treetops burnin the woods
And as the flames from the blaze get higher and higher
They say, "Don't drink the water! We need it for the fire!"
New York is drinkin it (New World Water)
Now all of California is drinkin it (New World Water)
Way up north and down south is drinkin it (New World Water)
Used to have minerals and zinc in it (New World Water)
Now they say it got lead and stink in it (New World Water)
Fluorocarbons and monoxide
Push the water table lopside
Used to be free now it cost you a fee
Cause oil tankers spill they load as they roam cross the sea
Man, you gotta cook with it, bathe and clean with it (That's right)
When it's hot, summertime you fiend for it (Let em know)
You gotta put it in the iron you steamin with (That's right)
It's what they dress wounds and treat diseases with (Shout it out)
The rich and poor, black and white got need for it (That's right)
And everybody in the world can agree with this (Let em know)
Consumption promotes health and easiness (That's right)
Go too long without it on this earth and you leavin it (Shout it out)
Americans wastin it on some leisure shit (Say word?)
And other nations be desperately seekin it (Let em know)
Bacteria washing up on they beaches (Say word?)
Don't drink the water, son they can't wash they feet with it (Let em know)
Young babies in perpetual neediness (Say word?)
Epidemics hopppin up off the petri dish (Let em know)
Control centers try to play it all secretive (Say word?)
To avoid public panic and freakiness (Let em know)
There are places where TB is common as TV
Cause foreign-based companies go and get greedy
The type of cats who pollute the whole shore line
Have it purified, sell it for a dollar twenty-five
Now the world is drinkin it
Your moms, wife, and baby girl is drinkin it
Up north and down south is drinkin it
You should just have to go to your sink for it
The cash registers is goin "cha-chink!" for it
Fluorocarbons and monoxide
Got the fish lookin cockeyed
Used to be free now it cost you a fee
Cause it's all about gettin that cash (Money)

Said it's all about gettin that cash (Money) (x9)
Johny cash (Money)
Roseland cash (Money)
Give me cash (Money)
Cold cash (Money)
(Repeat to fade)

Cash rules everything around me,
Move!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 07:27 PM
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30. Water Barons
While so much attention is on Iraq the Water Barons are going forth and grabbing up whatever they can!

The water barons
A look at the world's top water companies
Bob Carty, CBC Radio | Feb. 3, 2003

"When you turn on the tap or flush the toilet in an increasingly larger number of countries around the world, you're increasing the profit line for some of the world's largest multinational corporations.

The world's private water industry is dominated by just three corporations: Vivendi and Suez, both of France, and Thames Water of England, owned by the German conglomerate RWE."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/features/water/business.html
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evworldeditor Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:50 PM
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33. The Ring Around the Tub
My wife, daughter and I were out in Las Vegas last year for the NAHB Home Show and drove out to Lake Meade one afternoon. I was stunned by how low the lake was then and that was fifteen months ago with little additional moisture or snow in the Rockies since then.

There was a visible "bath tub ring"-like sediment line around the entire rim of the lake where the old waterline used to be. It was very sobering.

We have friends who are big in the home building business in Las Vegas and Phoenix and I tried to impress on them that this is a serious situation that will put a brake on further development in both areas. They didn't want to hear it and almost got angry with me for mentioning it. I suspect the first thing to be impacted will be the golf courses, which are so artificial in a desert environment like that.

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EVWorld.Com - The Future In Motion
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:44 PM
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36. I seem to remember Bush rolled this one out before the 2002 elections
as well. I guess it is the pay-off for the water privatization companies that Jebbie's indebted to.
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BigBigBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:24 AM
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44. Sorry, no sympathy from me
Phoenix has been squandering water for years - the site of vast square miles of green lawns, golf course and privately owned pools (alot of which are drained and replaced every month), in the middle of a desert, is obscene. How much water evaporates from Las Vegas fountains every day?

California agriculture should get top priority for whatever water is left after the region's ecosystem gets its share.

We've been under water restrictions for years now along Colorado's Front Range - it's time some of the downstreamers felt the same, or greater, pain and inconvenience.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:40 AM
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46. As a Native Northern Californian
Edited on Wed Apr-28-04 11:41 AM by proud patriot
I have had to think about this a long time .

Did you know they have water parks in the Dessert?
Did you know they have water fountians in the Dessert?

I always follow the rain and if we are at capacity
or if we are low . The news here in the Bay Area
states we are at 110% of annual rainfall .

Our resiviors look good .

WTF is this drought talk and why the fuck am I
supposed to give water to Casinos and other Water
Wasters in the dessert ?

I wouldn't mind helping out in times of drought
if I felt Nevada S.Cal and AZ were doing all they
could to live appropriately in the dessert ..
(IE. Always conserve water )Instead here I am in
N. California living my life Conserving everyday.
while fountains flow water simply for LOOKS in the dessert.
I see water in the street when sprinklers are left on.

Ways to Conserve
1) drive your car onto your lawn when washing it
2)shower instead of bathes (note : this is a sacrafice for me
I love a hot bath)
3)Divert washing machine water to flowers with hose
4)plant plants that don't need a lot of water
5)put a gallon water jug in the back of your toilet
6)urge city councils to empty fountains and turn them off
7)use saved shower water to water plants
8)do dishes in bucket in sink , and use saved water
for flowers .
9) "if it's yellow it's mellow and if it's brown flush it down"






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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:03 PM
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50. My understanding was that a lot of the water use was by
agri-business in the central valley, and whatsisname, that huge cotton farmer south of Sacramento. I hear those folks are very resistant to any suggestion of water conservation. Yet they must be bush friends. So the question in my mind is, how are they going to make out in any federally-mandated restrictions?
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:46 PM
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57. Complications...
...fuzzy math, and the Bush administration "doesn't get it." They can't "fix" this in their usual venal and corrupt way without screwing over some of their "friends."

Water from Northern California could possibly flow south to make up losses from the Colorado River, but then Bush's Central Valley friends would be severely upset.

The two "hot button" political issues in California's Central Valley are Abortion and Water Exports. Most political billboards along the highways are against abortion, and against water exports.

If the Bush Administration makes it easier to export water south, his anti-abortion stand will not be strong enough to hold onto his Central Valley base.

Bush probably doesn't care about the votes, because he will not take California, but he does care about Congress, and he does care about his political donations.

If I was, God Forbid, Assistant Interior Secretary Bennett Raley, I would have told my bosses that they have their balls in a vice on this one, and recommend they keep quiet until after the election and pray for rain.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:36 PM
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53. Too bad Carter didn't get a second term.
he was determined to slove this problem 20 ears ago because he saw where it was heading.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:16 PM
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55. Current data for Arizona reservoirs
This is updated and available from:

http://www.gf.state.az.us/h_f/edits/lake_levels.html

Lake Levels
Alamo Reservoir:
More information: U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

Max. Elevation: 1,235 Current Elevation: 1,088
Max. Surface: 13,300 Current Surface: 2,020
Feet Below Max.: -147 Percent Full: 5%


Apache Lake: (Horse Mesa)
More information: SRP Daily Water Reports

Max. Elevation: 1,914 Current Elevation: 1,911
Max. Surface: 2,656 Current Surface: 2,610
Feet Below Max.: -3 Percent Full: 97%


Bartlett:
More information: SRP Daily Water Reports

Max. Elevation: 1,798 Current Elevation: 1,766
Max. Surface: 2,815 Current Surface: 1,928
Feet Below Max.: -32 Percent Full: 58%


Canyon Lake: (Mormon Flat)
More information: SRP Daily Water Reports

Max. Elevation: 1,660 Current Elevation: 1,656
Max. Surface: 947 Current Surface: 924
Feet Below Max.: -4 Percent Full: 93%


Lake Havasu:
More information: Bureau of Reclamation

Max. Elevation: 450 Current Elevation: 447
Max. Surface: 20,400 Current Surface: 19,100
Feet Below Max.: -3 Percent Full: 91%


Horseshoe Lake:
More information: SRP Daily Water Reports

Max. Elevation: 2,026 Current Elevation: 1,991
Max. Surface: 2,812 Current Surface: 1,813
Feet Below Max.: -35 Percent Full: 39%


Lake Mead:
More information: Bureau of Reclamation

Max. Elevation: 1,229 Current Elevation: 1,136
Max. Surface: 162,700 Current Surface: 104,200
Feet Below Max.: -93 Percent Full: 55%*
* Percent Full calculations does not include the flood control volume adjustment


Lake Mohave:
More information: Bureau of Reclamation

Max. Elevation: 647 Current Elevation: 642
Max. Surface: 28,800 Current Surface: 27,100
Feet Below Max.: -5 Percent Full: 92%


Lake Pleasant: (Waddell Dam)
More information: Central Arizona Project

Max. Elevation: 1,702 Current Elevation: 1,691
Max. Surface: 9,957 Current Surface: 9,085
Feet Below Max.: -11 Percent Full: 88%


Lake Powell:
More information: Bureau of Reclamation

Max. Elevation: 3,700 Current Elevation: 3,583
Max. Surface: 160,800 Current Surface: 87,100
Feet Below Max.: -117 Percent Full: 42%


Roosevelt Lake:
More information: SRP Daily Water Reports

Max. Elevation: 2,151 Current Elevation: 2,088
Max. Surface: 21,493 Current Surface: 11,927
Feet Below Max.: -63 Percent Full: 37%


Saguaro Lake: (Stewart Mtn)
More information: SRP Daily Water Reports

Max. Elevation: 1,529 Current Elevation: 1,527
Max. Surface: 1,264 Current Surface: 1,237
Feet Below Max.: -2 Percent Full: 96%


San Carlos:
More information: U.S. Geological Survey

Max. Elevation: 2,525 Current Elevation: 2,417
Max. Surface: 19,985 Current Surface: 2,691
Feet Below Max.: -108 Percent Full: 3%

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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:30 PM
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56. Don't worry there is no such thing as Global Warming
Why worry over something as trivial as water. The only thing that is of real importance is campaign cash and don't forget it. If they sell the water rights to Enron they will have plenty of cash to kill people with.
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