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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:33 AM Original message |
Raw milk recalled after children take ill |
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Lionessa (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. I have no problem with people buying raw milk worrying about what |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I've been using raw milk for about 6 months now |
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Lionessa (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. So where's the harm in pasteurizing at home just for safety, you don't |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 03:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Effects of Pasteurization |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 07:20 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. You believe that a cow's immune system has benefits for you? |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. You believe it doesn't? |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
67. Actually considering humankind has been drinking milk from other mammals |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
68. Actually considering humankind has been drinking milk from other mammals |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #11 |
21. OTOH, what good are all of the alleged benefits of raw milk if you are dead? |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #21 |
63. Be afraid, be afraid. That food is from a cow, it's from the ground, it's not from a box or bottle. |
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Scruffy1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. not to mention the benefits of listeria, tuberculosis and brucellosis. |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #31 |
60. What exactly do you think is pseudo scientific about it? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
4. Darwin at work again. |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 02:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. When they find the source of the E. Coli, which wasn't the milk, that will dictate what they do next |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 03:02 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. "which wasn't the milk" |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 03:09 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. The CDC recently admitted that there have only been 2 deaths from raw milk in recent years |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 03:11 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. From the meat or the lettuce? |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 03:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. One in particular that I'm remember |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Yes, the meat has been getting weirder all the time. Thanks for the info. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
24. "There are safe-handling methods and procedures." Yes and how do you know they were used? |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
41. Yes, you do have to be careful |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 01:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
50. I have that cheese, it IS pasteurized, at least the 1 I have |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
57. It could have also been a little bit of cow shit in the milk |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 07:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. They could not find the strain in the CURRENT milk |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Most Food-Born Illnesses Show Up FAST |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
40. Nope |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 03:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. This case also challenges libertarians and hippies |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 05:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Cyanide is natural. |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 06:17 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. ...or it may be just another Big Ag Black Ops |
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Archae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
14. "Raw milk" is a fraud. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. All food is potentially dangerous. And there is more to a healthy diet |
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Godhumor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Raw milk in the context of this thread I would take to mean cow based |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. illogical |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
42. Pasteurization is not cooking |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. It is cooking |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. And how long is that steak on the grill to reach 145F? |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Both time AND temperature are vital to the process of pasteurization |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Again, would you call a steak grilled for 20 sec cooked? |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. From the age of 13 to 19 I drank raw milk constantly. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Why are you convinced of this? |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
62. Because I asked the doctor why I was able to recover so quickly |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Any non-human milk is horrible for you. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #37 |
66. Mankind has been drinking milk since they started farming. It's perfectly natural |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. Raw milk is tastier. |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 01:54 AM Response to Reply #32 |
51. It's also better for certain types of cheeses |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
44. Raw milk isn't a fraud |
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Archae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Prove it. |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. So you want me to disprove what was your assertion in the first place? |
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Godhumor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
18. Giving raw milk to children is just an awful, awful idea. Shame on the guardians. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
22. Who would give a kid raw milk? |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. heat denatures vitamins |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. And the percentage of malnourished due to vitamin deficiency in the US is? |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #29 |
59. That's not the point |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #29 |
65. Actually according to the CDC it's going up. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. Commercial milk loses vitamins primarily from fat extraction |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #27 |
61. Not true. |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. There's a big difference between milk and legumes |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. I grew up in a rural area and drank plent of raw milk given by relatives. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
69. But the shit-head who trusts Wally World to give them runny white crap from a bottle |
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BlueToTheBone (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
25. I grew up on raw milk and love having it again |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
33. I see the pro-big-agribusiness nannies are out in force in this thread. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. That is indeed the only possible explanation |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
55. Only comment I"ll make on this thread> it's telling the abusive language used by those virulently |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Alternatively, it could be be people concerned with food safety. |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 12:51 AM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Or it could be people concerned with irrational fear |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #38 |
64. How safe is milk that you have no idea from where it came? |
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Major Nikon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Even if you know where it comes from, that doesn't necessarily make it safer |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
36. I support commercial raw milk provided that it is regulated by safety standards |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
39. in india we buy our milk raw, and pasteurize at home |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-11 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
48. Oh dear! How could this have been prevented? |
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