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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:08 AM
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Rumsfeld: No plans to revive military draft
sorry if this is a duplicate:

Rumsfeld: No plans to revive military draft
Friday, April 23, 2004

Michael McGough, Post-Gazette National Bureau

WASHINGTON -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld yesterday said the Pentagon was not considering a return of the military draft and would ease troop shortages related to the war in Iraq and other deployments by turning over to civilians jobs now done by members of the armed forces.
"I don't know anyone in the Executive Branch who thinks it's appropriate or necessary to reinstitute the draft," Rumsfeld told a gathering of newspaper editors and publishers. "We have a large population and a relatively small armed forces," he added, noting that the military draft abolished in 1973 had several problems, including high turnover and a complicated deferment system.

the rest can be found here:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04114/305205.stm


What do you think? Is this an honest assessment of our military or just a device to keep voters on board???

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:10 AM
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1. about as honest as aWol* when he said....
"there are no war plans on my desk"... :eyes:
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 02:24 PM
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35. As honest as Gen. Pace when he said 1AD redeployed home would stay home
A lie.

They're being sent back to Iraq, to include the army band that was scheduled to play the "welcome home" tunes for the 1AD troops.
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Jack The Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:15 AM
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2. Believe anything they say at your own risk..
Of course they can't say "Yes, we are looking at the draft again". So they are going to lie, but like anything in this administration, you have to ignore what they say publicly and find out what they are actually doing.
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:17 AM
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5. My point exactly
nt
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:39 AM
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17. Not only looking at, but also planning for another draft.
They are still hiding the fact that they are pursuing multiple large-scale wars across the world in pursuit of global domination. Now, why would they do that? My guess is that they know our people would reject such a proposal or plan. Otherwise, why not just tell the American people about the freon neocons' imperialistic ambitions?

They have everything to hide and have sought to hide everything.
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DoktorGreg Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 01:42 PM
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33. I had a different take on it..
I found that every day is opposite day in this Whitehouse. When rumsfeld says there is no need for draft, it means that there is a critical need for a draft, and America is in jeopardy of being able to defend its self.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:15 AM
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3. Follow the money: tax the unborn (increase deficit) hire Halliburton and
mercenaries.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:16 AM
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4. "Plans" is a big weasel word in this Admnistration
I'm almost surprised he didn't say "I have no plans ON MY DESK to revive military draft"

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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:18 AM
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8. Another good point
This administration seems to bee a big fan of semantics.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:17 AM
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6. A denial from this group of thugs generally means a Yes
Bush Inc has been able to sell a connection between Iraq and September 11th to America...anyone that still buys that lie will accept a draft with barely a blink...


The very fact that Rummy can identify the problems of the pre-73 draft tells me someone has briefed him on the pros and cons of a draft. I hardly credit Rummy with knowing such things without being prompted.....

Our troop strength can not support 2 wars and various hot spots...not without taking a far greater toil than we have seen already.

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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:18 AM
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7. "We have no plans to attack Iraq"
Go on Rummy, lie some more.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:18 AM
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9. Yeah, well,
No plans for nations-building.
No plans to undo Roe V. Wade.
No plans to reverse environmental protections.
No plans for war on Iraq.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:18 AM
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10. Well, that settles that!
There will be a draft.

"You can take it to the bank"

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:21 AM
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11. Hey, Rumsfeld's a guy we can trust, right?
Edited on Fri Apr-23-04 09:22 AM by gsh999
I mean, look at his brilliant strategy for the war so far.
*Anybody who thinks the draft won't happen if Bush is elected is a goddam idiot *
* Anybody who trusts Rumsfeld is a bigger fool *
I'm an Army vet and have lots of friends still active. They tell me people are getting out in droves. And I don't believe the propaganda "recruiting is going well" for a minute.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:21 AM
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12. Toro Turd!
Edited on Fri Apr-23-04 09:24 AM by rocknation
They're just waiting until after the election to seal the youth vote. That's why I made this banner for my web site:



:headbang:
rocknation
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zbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:22 AM
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13. Civilian jobs?
Would that be like the civilian jobs now being done by GE/Seimens/Bechtel? The companies that are halting operations because it is too dangerous? What happens to the military personnel in-country when they no longer have the basic support that was to be provided by civilians? Will the government compel civilian workers to stay and work when it becomes "too dangerous"?

Sorry, Rummy, not buying it for a second.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:23 AM
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14. Rumy, would you put that in writing?
I didn't think so!
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:30 AM
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15. but do they have any actionable items on draft related program activities?
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m-jean03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 10:06 AM
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26. good one lol
:) :)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:32 AM
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16. Which MEANS "the plans are almost Completed"
You have to know how to interpret the words of a Von Ribbentrop, a Heydrich, a Molotov, a Rumsfeld.
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:41 AM
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18. Rummy is being ironic.<nt>
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ILeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:42 AM
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19. The "tax and spend and draft" Democrats will have to ask for it
This Regime really gets to have it both ways. My prediction is that Democrats will somehow end up getting the blame for the coming draft and the Republicans will relentlessly use the issue to their advantage.

Hope for the best, expect the worst, and then be totally shocked by what the Bush Regime actually does...
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sandlapper Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 03:58 PM
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38. "The "tax and spend and draft" Democrats will have to ask for it"
Why would we have to ask for the draft? According to Rheumy's shop enlistments are over the top. All that is needed is to increase the approved manning levels for the Marines and Army. Then if they can't fill the rosters there is reason to question the propaganda.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:47 AM
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20. and we believe this because...???
the daddy party never lies to the Merikun people
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:50 AM
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21. And you know right where the WMDs are at too Rummy. Right?
Edited on Fri Apr-23-04 09:51 AM by NNN0LHI
Why did he say no plans? Why didn't he just rule the idea out completely I wonder?

Don

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:51 AM
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22. They also had no plans to invade Iraq, if you recall.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:51 AM
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23. not until after the election
it will be called anything but a draft but will have the same impact.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:55 AM
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25. "Military Commitment of the Willing" (eom)
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:54 AM
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24. What about filling positions on local draft boards?
Edited on Fri Apr-23-04 09:54 AM by Concerned GA Voter
I keep hearing about this...does anyone have links for it? If this has happened in even one city, isn't it a sign of PLANS to revive the draft?

Maybe the semantic cloak™ is in the term "revive" because from what I've read, it is not the exact same draft. It will include women and students, and you won't be able to run to Canada to avoid it. So they aren't REVIVING the old draft, they're creating a new one. Any views on this?
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 10:19 AM
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27. They have NEVER had plans ... its always by the SOTP
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 11:32 AM
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28. Is that why they scrubbed the second draft board ad and put up this?
A statement from Don (THE LIAR) Rumsfeld:

HTTP://WWW.SSS.GOV

Notwithstanding recent stories in the news media and on the Internet, Selective Service is not getting ready to conduct a draft for the U.S. Armed Forces -- either with a special skills or regular draft. Rather, the Agency remains prepared to manage a draft if and when the President and the Congress so direct. This responsibility has been ongoing since 1980 and is nothing new. Further, both the President and the Secretary of Defense have stated on more than one occasion that there is no need for a draft for the War on Terrorism or any likely contingency, such as Iraq. Additionally, the Congress has not acted on any proposed legislation to reinstate a draft. Therefore, Selective Service continues to refine its plans to be prepared as is required by law, and to register young men who are ages 18 through 25.

Yeah! That's the ticket! Not getting ready, Yeah!

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 12:27 PM
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30. Loopholes, Loopholes, Loopholes- n/t
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 01:37 PM
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32. Very true -- lack of planning never stopped them before!
"Plans? Planning is for wimps," says Rumsfeld...



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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 11:35 AM
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29. LIAR
Who believes a single thing that emanates from that cretin's pie hole?

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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 01:29 PM
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31. A Bush ReSelection will mean a Draft in 2005 and you can take that
to the bank!
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 01:42 PM
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34. When has this administration ever been honest?
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 03:04 PM
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36. Well, Rumsfeld's denial makes it official:
they plan to bring back the draft.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 03:16 PM
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37. No plans
But there may be a "series of actionable items".

He is a known liar, as are they all, so why trust them on this.
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