We fabricated drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former detective testifies

[meow2u3]

Source: New York Daily News

A former NYPD narcotics detective snared in a corruption scandal testified it was common practice to fabricate drug charges against innocent people to meet arrest quotas.

The bombshell testimony from Stephen Anderson is the first public account of the twisted culture behind the false arrests in the Brooklyn South and Queens narc squads, which led to the arrests of eight cops and a massive shakeup.

(snip)

The city paid $300,000 to settle a false arrest suit by Jose Colon and his brother Maximo, who were falsely arrested by Anderson and Tavarez. A surveillance tape inside the bar showed they had been framed.

A federal judge presiding over the suit said the NYPD's plagued by "widespread falsification" by arresting officers.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/10/13/2011-10-13_excop_we_fabricated_drug_raps_for_quotas.html#ixzz1afq9qhrn



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/10/13/2011-10-13_excop_we_fabricated_drug_raps_for_quotas.html

[Scruffy1]

1. It isnt just New York City.

This shit happens all over America.

[midnight]

16. Yes it does....

[Uncle Joe]

25. Yes, 60 Minutes had an episode covering false drug arrests in Tulia, Texas sometime back

that on the surface was motivated by race.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x426072

But the discredited, white undercover drug officer accused of targeting the black community in a drug sting authorities now call a sham had no hesitation using the ÒNÓ word in his interview with Bradley, who is black.

Coleman defends his work in the interview, his first major one for American television, which will be broadcast on the 36th season premiere of 60 Minutes, Sunday, Sept. 28 at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

Coleman says he used the ÒNÓ word among his white friends and also with the Tulia, Texas residents he investigated and helped convict for drug dealing. Forty out of 46 of those people were black, constituting 13 percent of the adult black population of Tulia. Gov. Rick Perry recently issued pardons for nearly all of those convicted in the investigation.

More on the link

This false drug arresting in New York seems to be motivated by job security

"Tavarez was ... was worried about getting sent back and, you know, the supervisors getting on his case," he recounted at the corruption trial of Brooklyn South narcotics Detective Jason Arbeeny.

"I had decided to give him the drugs to help him out so that he could say he had a buy," Anderson testified last week in Brooklyn Supreme Court.

He made clear he wasn't about to pass off the two legit arrests he had made in the bar to Tavarez.

I believe the motivations in both incidents and uncounted other false drug arrests across the nation are a blend of both racism and job security, this is just another example of the corruptive effect on the police from the counterproductive, dysfunctional, draconian and insane so called "War on Drugs."

Meanwhile the Fourth, Fifth, Eighth, Ninth and Tenth Amendments in the Bill of Rights of the U.S. Constitution continue to be raped on a daily basis by said war.

[RoccoR5955]

70. I lived in Brooklyn 30 years ago and

Brooklyn South narco unit was the most corrupt then. I see that things haven't changed in 40 years!

[jmowreader]

92. And in more than just drug cases, too

Does the word "speed trap" mean anything to you?

The cops want busts that are easy to do, easy to prosecute, easy to understand and for crimes so reprehensible the public will immediately think, "yeah, that guy needed to go to jail." So...it's drug busts, child porn busts (if it's possible to plant a virus on someone's computer, it's also possible to plant a folder full of illegal JPEGs) and DWI checkpoints for us, and no robosigning, derivatives fraud or racketeering busts for people who can afford high-powered lawyers.

[Divine Discontent]

107. first damned thing I thought too. I know there's drugballs all over, yes, but...

you can sure as hell bet there's false arrests and dirty dealings to meet quotas or enact revenge on mouthy/violent/ethnic responding suspects all the damned time in this country!



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[Xicano]

114. +100 Exactly

Rember the Rampart Scandle to just name one more?

[DeSwiss]

116. Yep.

They're providing the raw materials for the private prisons of our Prison Industrial Complex. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they don't get gratuities, gift certificates bonuses and/or possibly stock options for the Big-Time Incarcerators. It would also be interesting to see how many cops own stocks in publicly-traded private private corporations. That would be what' I'd call a really twisted form of "insider-trading." Not much different than dabbling in the slave-trade.





- Which along with racism, also helps to explain the ridiculous disparities in http://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/raceinc.html">prisoner ratios by race (browns), relative to their total numbers in the general population.......

K&R

[sarcasmo]

2. With this detectives statement shouldn't all minor drug offenders be released?

Rehab instead of jail should be the answer, but the prison system in this Empire makes way to much money.

[blueknight]

3. for the most part

most cops are dispicable peices of shit. they will lie, steal,cheat, do whatever it taked to make themselves look good

[Hassin Bin Sober]

8. What do you expect? They are trained as liars from day one.

Their superiors train them to lie on police reports. They have no morals. So why should a frame-up be any different?

[SnowCritter]

21. Quite a broad brush you're painting with.

While not a Law Enforcement Officer, I work closely with them on a daily basis. My experience is that, for the most part, they're the most honest and forthright people you'll ever meet.

Of course, my experience is limited to only those I've met and and have had dealings with. I'm sure there are those who abuse their position, just like in any other profession.

[trumad]

48. Well you know DU

Broad brush elitists for sure.

[Odin2005]

54. The ones that aren't pigs are still protecting the ones that are.

[ronnie624]

128. Which, in my opinion,

makes them pigs, as well.

[Iggo]

68. The good cops cover for the bad cops.

And that makes them...what?

(Hint: It rhymes with "schmad schmops")

[liberation]

71. Your brush is broader and better

of course.

[theaocp]

78. Every narc is a liar and a fraud.

Even the good ones. There's the goddamn broad brush. Fuck narcs.

[markpkessinger]

79. To the extent ANY of them perpetuate the "blue wall of silence" ...

... they are just as culpable for the corruption as those who participate in it directly.

[Citizen Worker]

87. Speaking from personal experience and dating back to my teen years I am firmly in the corner of,

"cops lie, they lie all the time" until proven otherwise. What may seem to many as trivial lies by the police it nonetheless makes me believe that when a cop's ass is on the line he/she will lie to save their own skin.
Briefly, my own experience is that of being accused of all manner of burglary, car prowl and theft over a large geographical area while on foot and under the observation of a railroad detective for over five hours! The second occasion was while serving jury duty in a traffic case where the officer went into excruciating detail about the alleged infraction of a teen driver because, as the officer testified, he was angry about being dispatched to a domestic violence scene where he had been numerous times. He wasn't happy about standing on the roadway directing traffic while another officer was on scene and somebody was going to pay for his inconvenience. We found the driver not guilty based on the officer's false testimony. The third occasion was about standing on a freeway overpass holding a political campaign sign. Two of us were handcuffed and threatened with arrest. A year later we were charged with obstruction and two lesser charges. The prosecutor admitted the night before the trial that "I don't know why charges were brought in this case to begin with. If you write the Motion For Dismissal I'll gladly sign it." Case dismissed.

These three incidents spanned 30 years time. I doubt any of the officers knew one another nor do I believe for a nanosecond that they were out to get me. The simple plain truth is that cops lie, they lie all the time until proven otherwise.

[blueknight]

102. only because

you have never been an adversary of them

[Dennis Donovan]

93. "they're the most honest and forthright people you'll ever meet...."

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

*sniff* ...wait, you're SERIOUS????:wow:

[provis99]

113. I know, eh? What clownish thinking.

Cops see only two types of people in the world: cops, and the Enemy.

[ronnie624]

129. That's right.

They are trained as an occupying force, make no mistake about it.

[Juche]

97. That doesn't make sense to me

I guess if you interact with them in a professional setting they may be honest and forthright. But in the way they treat the public and/or criminal suspects my personal experience is they are habitual liars and manipulators. FWIW, they are trained in how to do those things (manipulate and lie to obtain information).

[tabasco]

104. LOL.

You need to get out more often.

[ArcticFox]

106. Just wondering your relation with them

Some people have a way of being completely honest and forthright at times and with certain people, and then being completely the opposite in another type of situation or environment. Is it possible they see you as being on their team?

[1monster]

115. My father worked with the police for many years and eventually became a part time cop.

One thing we children in that family knew from a young age was that if a cop wanted someone taken down (as a law breaker), that person was taken down, one way or another. Legit or not. They figured if the person wasn't guilty of the actual charges, he/she was guilty of something and deserved to be taken down.

[Prana69]

120. Correct! As a trivial example, I got pulled over a few years back...

It was on the day of a big annual horse race where all the punters dress up in their best suits and cocktail dresses, and then proceed to get totally smashed. I happened to live near the race track and got pulled pulled over by the cops. I figure they thought they were doing to get an easy DUI, but it was about 1:00pm and I was on my way to the movies with my girlfriend. I blew 0.00 - and the cop looked really disappointed. His partner proceeded to walk around my car, looking at the lights, checking the rego, looking for illegal mods, but couldn't find anything. Cop #1 asks for my licence anyway, and it was valid. Then he asked me my address (based on what was on the card) and then I told him I had moved recently (a few weeks) so the address on the licence did not reflect my current address. BINGO! $100 fine. Fucker.

So there probably were drunken fucks driving around all over the place that day, but I got hit with a $100 fine for not having a temporary sticker on my licence.

When they have a quota to meet, they'll find anything to pin on you.

P69

[walerosco]

126. Something like that happened to me too

A few years ago, Omaha changed the way they offered drivers license. When you get a new or renewed license, they gave you a paper one and send the real one to your house. There is a sentence on the license that reads something like "Valid until... date", anyway, one night coming home from the movies, the cops stopped me for no reason at all. They asked for my license and insurance, I gave it to him and then he said I was driving recklessly and demanded I take a breathalizer. I registered 0.01 or something on it, looking at his face you can tell he was pissed off by the result. He then said he will write me a ticket for using a invalid license just 2 days after getting it(the plastic one took 5-7 business days to arrive).

I got $100 ticket and a court date, I went court with my paper and plastic license explaining to the judge what had happened, the judge cancelled the ticket and sent me to the court clerk. The clerk to my disappointment said I needed to pay the court fee which was $50. So all in all, I paid $50 violating 0 laws

[caseymoz]

44. I think the fact that our police force doesn't act like Central America's

Owes now only to the fact that most police do want to arrest only guilty people.

Now, of that number of "most police," some have very unreliable methods of deciding who they think is guilty, and they might bend the rules when it comes to convincing other people.

Meanwhile, those not falling into that "most" category can be much worse, and they all close ranks act as a team when it comes to covering their asses.

[Newest Reality]

6. I would care to distinquish that

rehab might be an better alternative for people whose lives are in crises because of strong addictions from hard drugs, but occasional or recreational use does not necessarily equate with a requirement for rehabilitation.

Rehabilitation for all users of some drugs who are arrested for possession supports the underlying ideology of the drug warriors in the sense that all "illicit" drugs are bad/destructive in all cases. I would argue that putting non-violent, casual users of some substances in prison and marking them for life is far more destructive to them and their families and friends than the implied dangers of what is, on its own, a victimless crime.

Rehabilitation is an appropriate and compassionate offering--rather than imprisonment--for those who recognize that an addiction is out of control and limiting or destructive. For someone who is not engaging in criminal or destructive activities, imprisonment can be far more damaging to a mind, a life and a body than some drugs. It is a Draconian response with secondary benefits to the system that imposes punitive measures on its population.

[saras]

11. You lost me. Rehabilitation of corrupt cops is what's called for. The people DIDN'T USE DRUGS

They were INNOCENT. They were FRAMED. What part of this don't you understand?

[Newest Reality]

14. That was an aside in response to post #2, if that helps.

[sarcasmo]

36. I get they were framed. The drug laws need changed.

They were doing a buy and bust frame up. If possession were no longer a crime buy and bust frame ups would no longer exist. The cops need to be going after gangs, rapists and killers not making buy and bust arrests.

[Dutchmaster]

91. In other words, drugs YOU approve of.

"Casual users of some substances" . . .


Which ones? Meth? Cocaine? Heroin? LSD? PCP? yeah, . . . .

If you are using drugs that could land you with a serious amount of jail time for which you could be diverted for treatment, you likely need treatment. The whole "use in spite of negative consequences" aspect of addiction and all.

[Warren DeMontague]

132. Your logic is, "it's bad because it's really illegal otherwise it wouldn't be really illegal

and you're still doing it so it must be really bad"

Sorry, no. Some laws are bad, some laws are wrong. Interracial marriage was once illegal in many states. Gay sex was illegal in Texas until the Lawrence decision.

Do I think, say, Meth should be sold at the 7-11? No. But if the ONLY alternatives are full legalization, regulation, and taxation of ALL drugs, and the fucked up, idiotic, unwinnable "drug war" situation we have now? I'll take the small-l libertarian position of letting consenting adults damn well choose what to do with their own damn bodies, even if those are extremely bad choices.

Personally, I support FULL legalization of marijuana, including regulation and taxation. I think we should offer treatment on demand and stop treating drug posession as a law enforcement issue, but rather as a public health one. Drugs such as heroin could be dealt with on a 'harm reduction' basis such as has proven effective in some European countries. I personally happen to think that the 'popularity' of meth has to do with several factors, including but not limited to the shitty economic situation of many middle Americans~ i.e. if you're working 3 jobs, one of them at a mini mart until 3 am, is it really all that surprising if you end up doing meth- not for "fun" but to get through your schedule? I think the best advertisement against meth is meth users themselves; THAT is one area where good public education can pay off, much as it has with cigarettes.. unfortunately, when DARE counselors are telling kids that if they smoke a joint they'll get date raped or their testicles will fall off, they tend to lose, ah, a little credibility by the time they get to meth.

I think psychedelics have NOT been given the proper scientific study they deserve, but beyond that generally I also would file them away under "if people want to do them and they're not driving, harming, or endangering anyone else, it's not the government's business".

PCP? I don't think anyone even does that anymore, but I guess I could be wrong. I'm getting old; It's been a REAL long time since I did anything stronger than green tea.

[reggie the dog]

141. i know from first hand use that you can use the drugs you listed

and not be an addict,

LSD first and foremost you can have a vial in your freezer and a few times of year break it out and trip with friends
, but yes you can use meth and not be an addict, most "meth" users in france pop an occasional pill

cocaine, there are lots of people who use cocaine once or twice a month for years without any problem

PCP i know is heavy but you can do it once in a while without being hooked

heroin in all honesty i have never known anyone who has been able to be a long term, non addicted heroin user but i have known long time functional addicts

[truedelphi]

73. Everything happening last week, and this week, in California

Indicates how very much that the Empire wishes to keep drugs illegal, even despite the electoral wishes of an entire populace.

The drug culture has a lot of layers, each one revealing even more corruption than the level above.

Drug cartels in Mexico clean up one person who is then released into the elite neighborhoods of our cities. That person then purchases a bank, and the money laundering begins.

And that person adopts the "persona' of a drug-despising, righteous individual who offers up money in spades to which ever "drug-despising" candidate runs locally or even state-wide for office.

Our police, banking, and political arenas have all been corrupted.

One way out would simply be to legalize all of it.

But taking the low road, last week, this Administration set loose its DEA dogs to bark down the pot clubs here in California. In some locales, those clubs are supporting through their tax payment the County public employees!

[Enthusiast]

80. "even despite the electoral wishes of an entire populace"

Shit, Delphi, it's that way on every single issue.

A huge majority want to raise taxes on millionaires, end the wars and preserve social security and medicare or enact single payer health care. But it no longer matters what we want -at all.

This nation is no longer a democracy. And it is right in your face. We didn't want the damn new "free trade" deals. Think Obama or the legislature care what we want? They knew.

One could make a case that the widespread use of illegal drugs has gradually undermined the nations entire judicial system.

[truedelphi]

85. I was prepared to have to fight one of the

"Usual suspects" using stats - because TECHNICALLY not the entire populace wants the 420 proposition to be in place. I mean, in Marin County 18 percent of the populace voted against it - even though that County's demographics are much older than most areas in California.

Anyway glad for your addition to my comments. It' s nice having support once in a while.

[stillwaiting]

88. Unfortunately it's not just the private prisons that are making tons of money on the system

Large companies are handsomely profiting off of the prison labor they obtain from our jailed citizens.

I have absolutely no idea why this is legal.

To legalize marijuana (much less drugs) we'd have to overcome the following industries and their lobbyists:
Private prisons
Paper companies
Pharmaceutical companies
All industry surrounding our "war on drugs"
+ potentially all industries that obtain prison labor for near free

AND Right wing social conservatives

Daunting, but we must carry forward.

[reggie the dog]

139. textiles and oil too

nylon is an oil best fiber, hemp is natural fiber for textiles

[msanthrope]

4. They need to serve the time that all the innocent people spent in prison.

They won't, but it would be just.

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. And I bet most of the people who fell in their net weren't anglo-americans.

[Enthusiast]

81. You can take that to the bank.

[Blue_Tires]

84. Of course not! It's all just a coincidence!!

:sarcasm:

[reggie the dog]

140. white middle class probably not, white working class yes

[Uben]

7. In which case......

....everyone arrested on drug charges during this period should be thrown out and compensation paid to the individuals, and in my opinion, it should come from the police department's funding. When cops go bad, we inch closer to a fascist state. They feel they are above the law. They think they have the right to judge. They are vigilantes, and they are criminals, and all guilty parties should be imprisoned......for life. As harsh as that sounds, how can we tolerate anything less when those appointed to protect us are the same ones we have to fear? They cannot regulate themselves.....it's that damned "code of silence" shit that goes against the very core of our constitution, and it exists in every department in every city in the nation. Why don't the police unions institute a "Code of Justice" that requires ALL law enforcement officers to reveal wrong-doing by their members?
Using the words "justice" and "law enforcement" in the same sentence is almost a joke these days because of these rogue cops and their "Code of silence". Violations of civil rights should be dealt with very, very harshly when executed by law enforcement officers.

[PoliticAverse]

9. The Knapp Commission, the Mollen Commission and yet some people still haven't learned...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knapp_Commission
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mollen_Commission

[caseymoz]

10. When they brought asset forfeiture into it, then you know they would have quotas.

Some departments depend on seized assets. Who could not be surprised that they're not arresting by quota?

[Atypical Liberal]

12. Came here to say this.

Once you allow the state to start confiscating property for crime, then logically those kinds of crimes are going to be prosecuted very "vigorously".

[October]

51. +1 /nt

[Enthusiast]

82. It's only logical.

What a country!

[PoliticAverse]

15. Next you'll be telling us there are quotas for parking tickets... n/t

[caseymoz]

31. But it's not much like parking quotas, really.

Parking tickets are easy to write up. There's a good supply of parking violations out there and meeting the quota is usually just a matter of keeping cops interested in looking for them and writing the tickets. What's more, framed parking tickets won't usually ruin people's lives.

Drug arrests, though, are a lot more work, require investigation, and might be dangerous for the cops. So, if they have quotas to meet, it's far easier for them to frame someone fitting the stereotype. The innocent person is less likely to be dangerous, and the frame up is usually ruinous to him.

[KamaAina]

38. DING DING DING!

Follow the money.

[Iggo]

13. In other news...

Water Wet.

Sky Blue.

Bacon Delicious.

[krabigirl]

17. I am shocked, just shocked, that this happened in America! lol

[KansDem]

18. Man! I bet the private prison industry is shitting bricks...

...of marijuana over this report.

This kind of honesty is not good news for the "investors."

[LuvNewcastle]

76. Indeed.

We'll see how long the outrage lasts over this issue. I guess it might last until another blonde woman goes missing in the Caribbean. Maybe they'll start the Iran War a few days early.

[napoleon_in_rags]

119. +1, Cui Bono is always the question.

Innocent people being put in jail, and the private prison industry makes money off it.

[iscooterliberally]

19. We need to get rid of the controlled substance act.

The DEA needs to go away too. Drugs should be sold legally to those over 21 in the same manner as alcohol and tobacco. This crap is rampant across our country. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. We also have SWAT teams kicking peoples' doors in for small amounts of marijuana. In a few cases they have kicked the wrong door in, and killed the people inside. It's easy enough to say, 'well don't do drugs, and you'll be alright', but this just isn't the case anymore. We think we live in a free country, but we live in a fascist police state. :hide:

[newspeak]

142. not just kicking down doors

but murdering innocent people. I lent a book out to a friend (didn't get it back) about stories of people who were killed because of drug busts. One woman on her knees in front of her small child and niece was shot in front of them. Two stories I remember in california. One, an elderly man who had just had eye surgery, apparently heard a break in, it was the cops, they shot him. The other man in Stockton, gave his address to a young man to use for his DL, the young man was busted for MJ. He didn't know who was busting down his door, had his gun, thought they were intruders, shot him dead. Both, cases there were no drugs. I bet the war on drugs have killed more innocent people than MJ.

Oh, the elderly well to do guy, the cops said the helicopter spotted MJ in his backyard. No MJ!!!!!!

[iscooterliberally]

149. There's a memorial to these folks on Drug War Rant

One kid about a mile from my home was murdered by the police over a two ounce bag of pot. They shot him in his closet about 10 times. Why they couldn't just pull him over in traffic and hold him is beyond me. I think the police just have to use all the toys they got from the military thanks to the Reagan Administration. My city actually has a tank that they used on one of my son's friends a few months back. They beat him and his mother up. She is in her 50s and has cancer. They threw her on the ground and stood on her back. They drove the tank through their front yard. I don't think the founding fathers wanted our police to go to war against it's citizens. Here's a link to the victims of the drug war:

http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/

Peace! B-)

[defendandprotect]

20. Drug War is simply another avenue for elites to corrupt government, police and society --

Also handy as a racist tool --

and now moving even further globally -- !!!


In order for the RW to rise and stay in power, they need to ensure that

those enforcing our laws are as corrupt as they are -- at every level!

[Hubert Flottz]

30. Just like drug testing has been used to get rid of workers the...

top dogs need an excuse to run off or lock up.

I know they put out posters on their "Public Enemy Number One" but that don't mean they ever forget about their other 300,000,000 public enemies. John Q Public is a suspect from the day he takes his first breath in this paranoia based "Homeland" of today. Step outta' line the man comes to take you away.(more than ever before)(don't just "watch what you say"...watch what you think)

We pay the taxes, they grab the easy money. That's why I support the boys and girls on the streets NOW! They are the generation with the most to lose. Like our generation was 40 years ago. I'm proud of young America, for waking up and stepping up.

[defendandprotect]

50. We're reliving the early days of Germany and intimidation of citizens .....

WWII never really ended --

Dulles/BFEE brought in Nazi's and used them to found the CIA -- funneled them into

FBI and other government agencies. CIA has taken money from every RW organization --

including KKK -- and has used it to keep RW candidates/elected officials in office.

[Kingofalldems]

22. But if they were convicted by a jury, they must be guilty!

[thetimchannel]

23. The Inevitable Result

This is the kind of stuff you get when you start charging drugs for offenses they are not responsible for in the first place.

Enjoy

[valerief]

24. Bombshell testimony? We'd see that all the time in old movies and teevee shows.

Seemed likely it was based on fact.

Well, I guess it's a bombshell since someone admitted it. But everyone knows it.

[Hubert Flottz]

26. I'll bet you any amount of money, that New York is not the only city

in America where this is STILL going on today!

Of course, I might not pay off. :evilgrin:

[Warren DeMontague]

27. Shocked! Shocked, I say!

Well, no price is too high to pay for the Drug War™, right?!

:woohoo:

[russspeakeasy]

28. I'll go way out on a limb here and say that this revelation

is the tip of the tip of an iceberg.
Cops on the take, politicians pushing "for profit" prisons, judges who can be rented by the case and a justice system that is rotten from the top down. Bush is free and pot smokers are spending years in prison.
Nice example for the next generations don't you think ? ,i.e. make sure the crime you do is huge, huge, huge. So big that it would embarrass the financially well off, or politically connected people.
Every time one of these cases make headlines, 2,000 go unreported.

[malaise]

29. Quotas for the private prisons? n/t

[PoliticAverse]

96. New York doesn't have privatized prisons. n/t

[ooglymoogly]

121. It is true that New York does not have private prisons on its soil, however

many drug crimes come under federal jurisdictional and the federals have over 50,000 folks in private prisons around the country; mostly in the south. So If you commit a federal crime in New York, there is a fair chance you will be sent to a private prison....unless New York has succeeded from the union while I was'nt looking. If that is not an invitation for corruption, my name is not Zmoog Clapsnort.

[PoliticAverse]

125. The article in question concertned arrests by New York City Police, not the federal government. n/t

[ooglymoogly]

143. So you are saying; no drug crimes, for which the NYPD make arrests;

are arrested under federal statutes and prosecuted under federal laws and in federal courts?

[Taverner]

32. I keep saying this, but the war on drugs = fascism

"Oh, but you're being mean to cops"

"Oh but you can't legalize bad drugs!"

Seriously, get a clue. The police are NOT OUR FRIEND.

They are enemies, and they have declared war on us.

[russspeakeasy]

41. I have a slight disagreement with you....I think it is their "owners"

who have declared war on us.

[Taverner]

43. Yes, but the Nuremberg Defense doesn't cut it for me

"We were just following orders"

[russspeakeasy]

45. Excellent point. They are the soldiers, The owners I was referring to

actually declared the war.

[October]

53. I agree. Knowingly ruining lives by false drug charges is unforgivable.

[FiveGoodMen]

72. I think you've got a point, as well, but...

The beating, unnecessary tasering, pepper spraying, and shooting of unarmed individuals are not all being ordered from the top.

Sometimes -- many times -- it's just the fucking cop.

[russspeakeasy]

90. yup !

[Confusious]

74. So I would like to hear how you plan to replace the cops

With what or whom shall we keep society ordered?

Are you going to personally respond when I get shot in the leg?

[Taverner]

83. How about actually having cops keep our society ordered? Instead of chasing hippies...

If you got shot in the leg, you MIGHT get a cop to come to your place and write a report.

Tell them there's a black man smoking crack, and they'll be there in 1 minute.

[Confusious]

105. I think they do

They got the guy who shot me in the leg.

[Warren DeMontague]

133. How about we just stop having them waste time on what consenting adults are doing w/their own bodies

that'd be a start.

[Confusious]

150. They're charged with enforcing the laws of the country

Don't like the laws? have the politicians change them.

Seems pretty obvious to me.

[Warren DeMontague]

152. The laws should be changed.

Nevertheless, Law Enforcement organizations from local to federal have a wide latitude in what they prioritize and how they prioritize that enforcement. As do DAs in terms of what they prosecute, etc.

And yes, the laws SHOULD be changed.

Beyond that, I don't think the "arrest quotas" are part of the controlled substances act, are they?

[Confusious]

155. I don't think they have that much latitude

More then anything, it comes for on high what they are going to go after. Obama Admin, perfect example.

[ooglymoogly]

144. We must elect a congress that is intelligent enough to change these

criminally insane laws that give the constabulary free reign and the excuse to exercise (for far too many) their innate fascism. And I believe these folks gravitate to these professions and are chosen for this ruthless quality.

[Confusious]

151. which laws would those be?

"We must elect a congress that is intelligent enough to change these criminally insane laws that give the constabulary free reign"

The drug laws? or some other laws? I would like a frame of reference.

[ooglymoogly]

156. What an inane question. nwat

[Confusious]

157. If you knew,

you would have skimmed a few off the top of your head, which you didn't.

You sound like a thumper who got asked one too many questions about why the bible doesn't make sense.

"Who did Abel marry since there was only his mother, father and sisters?"

Thumper answer "what an inane question!"

Good question.. no answer... inane.

[ArcticFox]

108. Thank you for the message

Keep it up.

Why we keep trying to say they're just like us is beyond me.

The SS were little different from our police, until they started rounding people up and shoving them into cattle cars. And even then, they are only differentiated by their actions.

How long until cops in Alabama start rounding up the "illegals" just like the cops in Deutschland began rounding up the jews sometime after the laws were changed to exclude them from parts of society?

[ooglymoogly]

33. Draconian drug law nourishes unbridled fascism and makes it ok.

Draconian drug law leads to murderous drug cartels and unbridled fascism...unbridled fascism leads to the patriot act, illegal wire tapping and personal surveillance and for profit prisons and an end to our once revered constitution.

It is the vicious, Alice in wonderland, circle, the chaos that authoritarian pukes dream of; in whose fog, folks are made to fear, wars can be waged and vast fortunes can be stolen from the folks under their jackboot.

[cstanleytech]

34. I wonder if part of this is sour apples on the detectives part and if hes only saying this

now as means of petty revenge because he got caught committing a crime himself?

[fascisthunter]

49. lol....

[ooglymoogly]

66. Yeah...thats it. Committing felony perjury for the sake of revenge.

fer sher dude.

[cstanleytech]

89. I'm not saying thats what he is doing nor did I say I believe it

I am however just pointing out that its possible.

[Trillo]

35. It's just a slight bit farther jump to believe drugs are illegal

specifically so the government can frame innocent people and make money for their accomplices.

Tinfoil? :shrug:

[Iggo]

67. Maybe not full on tinfoil...

...but perahps a little bit of saran wrap in the baseball cap.

[Warren DeMontague]

134. Or that they can make ridiculous profits by BOTH bringing em into the country AND "fighting" them?

http://weekendinterviewshow.com/Darkalliance.html

....Naaaaaaah.

[slay]

37. It is far past time to legalize drugs.

tax, regulate, educate. having an entire underground market that is greatly used but untaxed and "illegal" is fucking us in many ways - the example listed in the article is just one.

[SoapBox]

39. Just more of the out of control, Police Militia...

They've gotten to the point, where they are simply out of control little fiefdoms.

[duhneece]

40. I pray we reach 'the tipping point' before more lives are destroyed

The ONLY way I can see any good about this is to picture it as the revealing of such injustice that it is one more step toward ending the war on drugs and, instead, treating substance use & abuse from a public health, rational approach...saving law enforcement for those whose actions are cause for arrest, like DWI, stealing, child neglect.

[LiberalFighter]

42. New York's Finest!

horse hockey

[ingac70]

46. Not surprising. n/t

[L0oniX]

47. Only a few bad apples ....again and again.

[October]

55. +1 /nt

[GliderGuider]

59. Oh dear, there must be a few good apples left in this barrel...

...somewhere...

Well OK, maybe not.

[ooglymoogly]

69. More like, only a few bad apple trees, or orchards.

How quickly we forget the proofs and films like Serpico.

The truth is more like a few good cops.

[Odin2005]

52. the cops are just a government-supported organized crime ring.

[shanti]

56. and to think there are still people

who actually trust LEO's! :eyes:

[kath]

57. Fucking. Pigs.

Sheesh, how many times have I had to say that lately? - the stories just keep coming and coming.

[KansDem]

58. Hey, coppers!!! There's always Wall Street and the Big Banks...

They should meet your arrest quotas for quite a while...

[Stuart G]

60. This is our great criminal justice system..

[Flatulo]

61. Another victory in the insane War on Drugs.

I now have to show my ID to buy a bottle of fucking Nyquil. They scan my license into a database and record the time and date of the purchase.

Can you imagine the money we could spend on, oh, say, infrastructure and education if we declared victory and legalized pot, coke and hash? Not to mention freeing up about half of our prison space. Tax the piss out of them and sell them in package stores alongside the demon rum.

This is one issue where the libertarians are spot on.

[TBF]

62. they don't want to clear prison space - prisoners are free labor nt

[No Elephants]

122. We do the things that sound good to a majority of people.

Like "crime, bad, safe streets, good."

.

[RKP5637]

63. Why am I NOT surprised. This crap and similar goes on all over USA, Inc. n/t

[ooglymoogly]

64. Well quell supreeeeeeeez.

anyone who has not figured out yet, that the local, state and federal constabulary and all the pukes and dino's in government, benefit most from the seriously crooked drug wars, brought to you by the international pharma cartels, has forgotten to put his eyeballs in.

[get the red out]

65. War on Drugs = Opportunity

I am so tired of the "war on drugs". It's more a convenient war to use against people you don't like.

[GreenTea]

75. The brain dead compassion-less republicans don't give a shit-Fuck others is their cold-hearted motto

[Enthusiast]

77. I knew this happened but I did not know

it was this common. What a country!

[Blue Owl]

86. I'm sure the flourishing privatized prison industry has nothing to do with this.

:sarcasm:

[PoliticAverse]

95. And you'd be right as New York doesn't have privatized prisons. n/t

[bread_and_roses]

94. K & R (n/t)

[democrank]

98. So disturbing

[PuffedMica]

99. The war on drugs has cost us how much?

I'm sorry, but I can see no benefit to society from this mindless pursuit of recreational drug users to score points is some outdated national policy on drug trafficking. The human cost far outweighs any benefit.

[Arrowhead2k1]

100. So not much different than Ukraine then.

Way to fucking go America!

I say that because, I'm in Kiev and the militia (police) seriously tried to plant drugs on my friend last week.

[Dont call me Shirley]

101. Great job, NYPD. No wonder you're protecting the 1%.

You forgot you are the 99%, snap into reality.

[mike_c]

103. I'm sure this is a common practice elsewhere, too....

eom

[Deep13]

109. I was about to write "un-fucking-believeable" but it really isn't. nt

[Bloodinout]

110. Insanity

This is all ubsurd, "drugs" should just be legalized so not just the Cartels, but all violent drug operations could be shut down. Just think of all those lives that could be saved. All that money the goverment could make taxing it. And all those conservative politicians that could be doing blow in their office.

[madokie]

111. In Tulsa Ok they've had to throw out many cases and release something like 40 or so people so far

people who were falsely accused and some of them sentenced for life. All on lies and planted drugs. The cops got a slap on the wrist but not much more. I think one is sentenced to a year or so in prison but anyway I guess this shit is common.
I didn't spend 15 months in 'nam for this kind of shit I know that for sure.

[demosincebirth]

112. Cops are a necessary evil. Thats the way its been for over a hundred years.

[madokie]

137. At this point I'd rather live in a world with cops as to live in a world without cops

For the most part I treat cops with respect and they return in kind.

[demosincebirth]

145. I agree with you, but I do my best not to have any interaction with any cop.

[madokie]

153. As far as walking over to the other side of the street if need be or chance avails itself

To many of the cops you're guilty in their eyes when they pick you up.

[Dragonfli]

138. That does not mean it is necessary to condone their evil /nt

[demosincebirth]

146. Did you read my post? I, certainly, don't condone the evil that they do.

[jowsybart]

117. fabricated?

what the hell?

[Historic NY]

118. I find it completely disgusting. The organizational culture needs an overhaul...

all this to make a number......police work increasingly is becoming a numbers game. Cops are pushed to produce a monthly number. The boss need to report on their STATS. Tony Boloney the pepper sprayer made his numbers and got rewarded with his promotion. There is no honor with some of these guys.

[No Elephants]

123. If you made your living as a cop, day in and day out for 40 to 50 years, give or take,

whom would you rather arrest to meet your quotas, criminals who are experienced, desperate and probably armed when you approach them, or innocent people?

I would think framing innocent people would entail require less brain power, less leg work and a lot less risk of death or serious injury to the arresting officer(s). Most people want to stay in one piece until they retire.

And then, there are the money issues mentioned on this thread--confiscation, private prisons, etc.

And out and out corruption, just outright taking bribes because so much money is floating around crime, and don't your spouse and kids deserve at least a little of what a criminal's family enjoys?

[walerosco]

124. K & R

[leftstreet]

127. K&R

[Ignis]

130. K&R. It was only a matter of time until someone broke the code of silence.

While he was only doing it to save his own skin, I'm still saddened by the fact that Mr. Anderson is likely to "fall down a flight of stairs" or "suffer a sudden heart attack" for having revealed this information.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

131. Land of the Free?

You decide.

[DiverDave]

135. Geez, ALL COPS are bad??

Every ONE??

Man, you people are unbelievable.

How far is that from "all black folks are lazy"?


I know good cops, yes they are out there, as are the bad ones.

But to say ALL cops are bad is just ludicrous.

[Smarmie Doofus]

136. Everything's corrupt here. Schools, cops, city gov't.

*Everything*.

Infinitely worse since Bloomberg's been mayor.

[newspeak]

147. I think that all law enforcement should have to take a

psychological test for authoritarian tendencies. I know it may be unbelievable to some, but there are people who actually get into law enforcement to help people. However, there are those who go in because of the physical power over others. I think all law enforcement should have some form of degree in sociology or psychology along with training and should be paid accordingly. My bosses' son was in law enforcement, he was more like a Andy Griffith type and his fellow officers told him he wasn't mean enough. He used calm reason to diffuse a situation instead of throwing someone on the ground. He finally quit, because the others were nothing but bully arseholes.

We need more law enforcers who don't have the bully authoritarian complex and realize that it is the citizenry who pay their checks.

[ooglymoogly]

148. Republi cons are running roughshod over this country

Which is the same thing as saying fascism is running roughshod over this country. The intelligence agencies and the constabulary from Fed. to local are their jackboot enforcers to keep the public at large in fear and under boot.

[RainDog]

154. the War on Drugs in action - this is a systemic failure

the War on Drugs is the criminal action in this case - but the criminals are the ones making/enforcing the law, not breaking it.

[miyazaki]

158. clean as a hounds tooth.

[clinton4life2011]

159. Billion-dollar prison industry...

Yeah, and I'm sure this fed all the fat cats in the prison industry. Shame on them.