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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:20 PM Original message |
California prevents ban on male circumcision |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. Dickhead. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. Those who love cutting up baby's dicks can rejoice, for now. |
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NOMOREDRUGWAR (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. You failed hard |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. High school is rough, but don't worry, you'll get through it. |
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NOMOREDRUGWAR (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. You lost!!!! |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. You're right. |
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NOMOREDRUGWAR (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Besides, it clearly violates the establishment clause. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. The government has been able to ban some religious practices, |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. You want religion out of government? How about gov out of religion. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Yes and no. Consider the FLDS compound. Sometimes government |
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NOMOREDRUGWAR (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. You just compared part of a religious ceremony practiced by Jews for thousands of years |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. If that argument is not PC enough for you, then consider Peyote. nt |
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NOMOREDRUGWAR (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
49. You have a problem with peyote use in ceremonies? |
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AnotherDreamWeaver (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
44. There are many who consider removing an infants foreskin "Child Molesting" |
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NOMOREDRUGWAR (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Mind your own business big |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 01:08 AM Response to Reply #15 |
54. You should get together with the people in the Gungeon that oppose state pre-emption of local firear |
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NOMOREDRUGWAR (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. You're a male, |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. I already have an adopted son. |
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NOMOREDRUGWAR (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. That must burn you up inside right? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I would not have done it. |
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NOMOREDRUGWAR (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. I'm glad my parents did mine |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Cite to evidence. |
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NOMOREDRUGWAR (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Until then, |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Boy, did you miss the mark. |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Oh, okay, but on your terms only. I see. nt |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Who else's terms should I use? Why shouldn't I advocate for my own opinions? nt |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. Government should stay out of this period. Brown was right to sign it. /nt |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. Good, it violates the establishment clause, intrudes unnecessarily into families |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. +1 |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
57. Child mutilation is the state's business |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. Your opinion isn't enforceable, sorry |
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NOMOREDRUGWAR (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
4. Good. San Francisco JUST GOT PWNED by the California legislature |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 11:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
51. Why are you bashing San Francisco for what a group of whackjobs did? |
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NOMOREDRUGWAR (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. Probably because their BULLSHIT agenda on this issue |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. What part of San Francisco didn't do this is unclear to you? |
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NOMOREDRUGWAR (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Did San Francisco residents not put this on the ballot? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. So if some random nut in your town puts a petition together, I can blame you? |
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NOMOREDRUGWAR (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. It's not just one random nut |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. It was a random nut that put the petition together, not the city or the county. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
5. Because it is unconstitutional to infringe on religion. Duh. nt |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Peyote, and faith-only healing for children, can be prosecuted. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Good point. I support those too. nt |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Are you saying parents should be allowed to let their children die |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Yes, you are misstating my position. nt |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. OK, what is your position? nt |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. You mean on the "Faith-Healing" thing? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I completely agree with that position, and that position infringes on religion. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I am glad we agree. So then we also agree that it is not black and white. nt |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 01:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
55. Yet, it's done all the time. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
10. Good move, Governor Brown. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
36. Absolutely /nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
17. So does that mean we have to legalize polygamy, peyote, and human sacrifice? |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. Good question. |
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BenzoDia (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
29. It's time to retire the practice of circumcision. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. The World Health Organization says its time to reconsider it. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Here is the information. Sorry if you can't make sense of it. |
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BenzoDia (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. And the British Medical Association, the Royal Dutch Medical Association, Canadian Pediatric Society |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. And parents and their doctors can certainly consider that, too. |
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Blacksheep214 (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. The practice or the choice? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
31. Good. This is a decision for parents and their doctors. |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
33. I wish these "activists" would keep their SNOUTS out of a guy's crouch AND a woman's! |
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Remmah2 (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
34. Without foreskins? |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
38. Good. |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
39. "a San Francisco group opposed to male circumcision" - so |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
40. Jerry Brown comes down on the side of religious freedom and personal choice once again. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. It's not your personal choice if you are the baby boy who is getting part of dick cut off. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Just because you disagree with the practice doesn't give the cities the right |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
68. Get your damn facts out of here |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
84. Lack of religion clouds their judgment??? |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Point proven |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Scientific evidence is not absolute in this case. |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. There are clear benefits |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #43 |
58. Deleted message |
Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
75. +1000 |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
45. Good! While I'm not a fan of circumcision - |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #45 |
61. Mutilating children's genitals in the name of religion does not make it right. |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
52. Thank God my rights are safe - because I've been considering |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 12:03 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Do it. n/t |
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pnorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
56. "misdemeanor crime to circumcise a boy before he is 18 years old " |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Your analogy doesn't work, |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
60. Oh, drat! Did I miss the popcorn? Is it all gone? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
64. Yikes!! ... but eventually sanity will win the day, I'm sure ... difficult I imagine |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
67. What bullshit. None of the state's business. It should be challenged on principle alone. |
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Lil Missy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
73. Good. It shouldn't be mandatory either way. n/t |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
79. It's high time a local government stood up and said |
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Devil_Fish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
83. All we have to do is alow disfigured males to sue as adults. |
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