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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 03:43 AM
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Bill introduced in US House to freeze all aid to Pakistan
Source: AFP/Times of India

WASHINGTON: A key American lawmaker from Texas has introduced a resolution in the House of Representative to freeze all US aid to Pakistan.

The House Resolution (No HR 3013) if passed will freeze all US aid to Pakistan with the exception of funds that are designated to help secure nuclear weapons.

"Since the discovery of Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad, Pakistan has proven to be disloyal, deceptive and a danger to the United States," Congressman Ted Poe said in a statement after tabling the resolution in the House on Friday.

"This so-called ally continues to take billions in US aid, while at the same time supports the militants who attack us.

Read more: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Bill-introduced-in-US-House-to-freeze-all-aid-to-Pakistan/articleshow/10137012.cms



Yay ... I support this bill. Hurray for Ted Poe.
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Shadowflash Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 04:45 AM
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1. Good.
It's long overdue.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 05:04 AM
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2. And the tea party caucus is heard from. This guy is as right-wing as you can get.
Issue positions

Abortion


Poe's position on abortion is firmly pro-life. Poe received a 0 rating from abortion rights group NARAL in 2007, and rating of 100 from the National Right to Life Committee in 2007-2008. He also voted for the Prohibiting Federal Funding of Abortion Services amendment on November 7, 2009.

Fiscal policy

In 2008, the National Taxpayers Union, an organization that supports "lower taxes and smaller government", gave Poe the grade B+, and in 2007 received a rating of 90 from the group Americans for Tax Reform, an organization that advocates "taxes are simpler, flatter". Also Ted Poe voted against the 2009 Economic Stimulus Package (HR 1) and the 2010 Concurrent Budget Resolution (S. Con. Res. 13). The Club for Growth PAC gave Ted Poe a power ranking of 85.85%.

Healthcare reform

Poe doesn’t support what he calls "government run health care"
. Poe voted "Nay" on the Health Care and Insurance Law Amendments bill on November 7, 2009. In 2008 Poe voted for the Medicare Bill (HR 6331). Poe supports healthcare reform that would “Allow insurance to be purchased across state lines, provide for a safety net for catastrophic injury or illness…and allow for a health savings account".

Controversies

On June 7, 2009, Poe signed on as a co-sponsor of H.R. 1503 which would require future presidential candidates to provide a copy of their original birth certificate. The bill was a reaction to claims that President Barack Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen. Critics, including the editorial board of The Orlando Tribune, have claimed that the bill further perpetuates the theories.

"Ted Poe is also a member of the Republican Study Committee and the Tea Party Caucus."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Poe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Caucus#Members.2C_112th_Congress

I'm not hitching my wagon to this right-wing horse.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 05:39 AM
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4. Let him overplay his hand.
Then we'll claim him in addition to the others.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 08:42 AM
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9. Is it always a bad thing when one of them agrees with us?
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 09:35 AM
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11. Yes.
If there's someone from the Progressive Caucus who's taking a similar position on foreign aid to Pakistan (or any where else), then and only then would I write off the agreement of a republican teabagger congressman as a fortuitous coincidence. If, OTOH, every progressive Democrat on the committee opposes Poe's position on foreign aid and every republican teabagger supports it (both of which are much more likely to be the case) then a fair question would be why we might agree with the latter and not the former.
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hugo_from_TN Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 03:12 PM
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20. Learn to think for yourself
is the best advice I can give you.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 01:34 PM
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14. Us?
Edited on Wed Sep-28-11 01:35 PM by Kingofalldems
Almost funny.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 03:15 PM
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21. He doesn't agree with us.
Did he acknowledge the losses the Pakistani Military has suffered while helping the US fight its WOT in their country? Did he acknowledge the number of innocent civilians killed by drones as the US pursues this war? Did he acknowledge that without the Pakistani Govt's permission, the main supply route for the War in Afghanistan would have to be found elsewhere?

They 'rag heads' and that's all he knows.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 03:19 PM
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22. +1000.
nt
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 05:04 AM
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3. How about Afghanistan, where it ends up in the hands of, among others, the Taliban, who use it to
Edited on Wed Sep-28-11 05:06 AM by No Elephants
attack our troops and also to make themselves stronger?

And then we can pay them directly, supposedly to refrain from attacking our troops.

And what they don't get goes to corrupt officials.

When will the insanity end?
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:15 AM
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27. Afghani aid almost never goes to Taliban.
It goes in the swiss bank accounts of Karzai and his cronies.

Aid to Pakistan goes to the Taliban. Afghanistan is not interested in having the Taliban. ONLY Pakistan is for its own nefarious designs on Afghanistan. Google "Strategic Depth Policy" and you'll see why Pakistan desperately wants to control Afghanistan.
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 07:57 AM
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5. Bad standard
The clown said this:

"This so-called ally continues to take billions in US aid, while at the same time supports the militants who attack us."

If that is the new standard of whether to send a government aid or not, the Feds will have to stop sending it to most, if not all, of the states in the south, especially Texas.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 08:22 AM
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6. How colossally clumsy
If bush was still "running" foreign policy, this shitball would be supporting "aid" money to Pakistan.
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 08:24 AM
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7. Does anyone, really, have a problem with this?
I mean, what have we gotten for our money?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 03:12 PM
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19. We have forced them to help us with the War in Afghanistan
The main supply route for the war goes through Pakistan. This is a very unpopular issue for the Pakistani Govt.

Not long ago the US military finally acknowledged the number of Pakistani soldiers who have been killed helping the US fight its bloody War on Terror. They have lost so many of their soldiers and innocent civilians because of the war in Afghanistan that we could never repay them.

We are also killing their civilians on a regular basis with drones. They are not the bad guys here. And in fact, the stress put on them with little or nothing in return for THEM, has raised the question in THEIR government whether or not they should accept US aid.

I wonder when America will learn that the world does not belong to us. And when Americans will stop thinking we are always the victims.

If I were Pakistan, I would refuse the aid and ask the US with their CIA operatives and Mercenary Armies, ie, Blackwater, to leave my country and find another way to supply the brutal war they are waging against the people of Afghanistan.

But who would expect a far right Republican Teabagger in Congress to know or care about any of this?

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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 08:36 AM
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8. Unrecced for unreliable source pushing propaganda. All Times of India stories can be disregarded.
Out of hand.
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:17 AM
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28. Times of India
has the largest circulation and readership of any English language newspaper on the planet and has never been caught in a false story.

Perhaps you think the way you do because you favor Pakistan.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 09:19 AM
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10. we will, however, continue to bomb them almost daily
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tropicanarose Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 10:35 AM
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12. I agree with this.
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buckrogers1965 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 11:25 AM
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13. When Pakistan cuts off the supply convoys
to our soldiers in Afghanistan, what the hell are those soldiers supposed to do?

We keep messing around with our "friends" and we are going to get kicked out of their country.

An no, we can't invade Pakistan because they would nuke our asses.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 02:45 PM
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15. Why don't they introduce a bill to get the hell out of the area?
We went months without any military deaths in Afghanistan and now they happen daily again and it's the Taliban with help from Pakistan.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 02:49 PM
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16. Unrec, propaganda.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 03:04 PM
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17. And it will not pass the Senate. Let me guess, it's the TeaParty
again. The US will not cut off money to Pakistan because they need them to facilitate the war in Afghanistan.

But all foreign aid should be looked at, to countries like India, where the government is so corrupt at this point the US taxpayer should not be asked to fund it.

Yes, Ted Poe is an anti-tax Republican from Texas and the Teaparty loves him.

THIS JUST IN: CONGRESSMAN TED POE TO JOIN TAX DAY TEA PARTY LINEUP>



Ted Poe speaking at the Tea Party Rally on the steps of the Capital Building in 2010

When they cut aid to all the dictators we are supporting then they can talk about Pakistan.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 03:09 PM
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18. unreccommend - promototing a tea party bill is not something that can be good
Your hatred is overwhelming.
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 03:20 PM
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23. Excellent and I don't care who introduced it. We should have stopped long ago.
In fact, we never should have started. With friends like them, who needs enemy's?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 05:26 PM
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25. 'With friends like them who needs enemies' Well, that's the
question the Pakistani's are asking about the US. And, FYI, because of the brutality of the US towards a country that HAS BEEN an ally and its people, Pakistan itself has spoken about refusing to take any more aid from the US.

The deaths of so many of their soldiers fighting OUR WOT, is one reason. A fact that has been recognized with appreciation by the US Military who praised their bravery and cooperation in combating terror in their country.

Another reason is the supply route for OUR War in Afghanistan.

Personally I hope Pakistan does refuse the aid, and kicks the US and its WMDs out of their country.

Let them find another army to help in their WOT and another country to allow their supplies to get to Afghanistan.

No amount of money from the US could pay for what Pakistan has suffered as a result if helping the US efforts in Afghanistan. And the people of Pakistan do not want that money. They would like to get back the thousands of their citizens they have lost so far.

The arrogance of this country is simply stunning. No matter what other people do for us, it is never enough, we are always the poor victims. But then again, most Americans are kept ignorant of the actual facts of what their government is up to, such as their relationship with Pakistan and the far right propaganda against them is what most people know.

The US is going ot have a hard time finding another ally like Pakistan. Maybe if we had stopped killing their civilians with those cowardly drones, and taking for granted the deaths of their soldiers fighting to help OUR cause, and stopped sending in our CIA operatives and Mercenary armies to operate illegally in their country, they would feel differently.

Ted Poe is an ignorant, bigoted Tea partier who probably knows zero about that country. But if Rush told him to go after a few 'ragheads' that's what he would do.
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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 04:59 PM
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24. Great, let's speed up turning a Muslim country with nuclear weapons
into a failed state. I mean, who cares about few dozen loose nukes? We can always use whatever
money we saved in aid to Pakistan for hunting down the nukes and cleaning up after the ones we failed
to secure.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 11:07 PM
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26. You must not pay much attention
but here's a news flash: it's already a failed state with nukes. And not only that, but its intelligence agency harbors and actively supports terrorists - many of which are targeting Americans. And no, it's not all our fault. This is the fate they've chosen. Their drift into religious insanity started well before drone attacks in the tribal regions. If anything their government has always received plenty in aid from us.

Propping them up is lazy and the relatively easy thing to do because actual policy change requires action. The harder thing is admitting that the last ten years of acting like they're are ally has been a complete disaster.

I'm glad a bill has been introduced to stop the aid. But the state department and the administration will fight it, because it (like I'm sure of all republican candidates) has no idea how to handle the situation and the notion that we can continue throwing money at them and thinking they'll somehow turn against terrorism and extremism is the status quo and will likely continue being so for some time. How we can give them $3 billion in aid/year while we have cities that rot, I'll never understand.
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:19 AM
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29. Itis already a failed state. Cutting off aid will speed up
balkanization. It will be good for the people of Pakistan.
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