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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 09:38 AM
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Kara Kennedy, oldest child of Senator Edward Kennedy is said to have died of a heart attack
Source: Irish Central

Kara Kennedy, oldest child of Senator Edward Kennedy is said to have died of a heart attack sources tell Irish Central.

She had previously survived a near fatal bout with lung cancer and had been in remission from the disease.

She was just 51.

Kara Kennedy Allen was born February 27, 1960 to Teddy and Joan Kennedy, she has two siblings, Teddy Junior and Patrick, the former Congressman.

Kara was a graduate of Tufts UNiversity in Massachusetts and was a producer for VSA arts, a non profit organization founded by her aunt Jean Kennedy Smith.

She was on the National Advisory Board of the National Organization on Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. and a director emerita and a national trustee of the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation/

Previously she was a producer for the television program Evening Magazine in Boston.

She was married to Michael Allen a professional sailor in 1990 and they had two children, Grace and Max.

In 2002, at age 42, she was diagnosed with lung cancer that was first deemed inoperable but working with her father they identified a treatment that helped save her life at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston.

On August 12, 2009, she accepted the Presidential Medal of Freedom from President Barack Obama on behalf of her father who was terminally ill at the time.



Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/people_and_politics/kara-kennedy-daughter-of-teddy-kennedy-said-to-have-died-of-a-heart-attack-at-51-130009503.html



no further details at this time.......
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 09:45 AM
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1. Only seeing one source for this - hoping it's not true...
:(
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 09:52 AM
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2. Six pages of Google and this is the only item citing this claim.
I'm hoping and guessing this is a death rumor planted like the ones I've seen concerning Jeff Goldblum dying in an accident in New Zealand.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 10:06 AM
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3. Still just this one source.
Hopeful it's not true.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 10:10 AM
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4. Yeah, I'm with the others in being hopefully suspicious of just
the one source. We'll have to see. She would be an odd "target" for a rumor, though.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 10:15 AM
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5. An odd target?
Not for the right wingnuts we have seen of late. I can hear the bastards cheering right through this computer screen.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 11:42 PM
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48. It was breaking news on Boston television--the wires were just slow to pick it up.
They are only now picking up on the Mondale death in a substantial way.

Weekends--no one works anymore, it seems.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 10:40 AM
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6. Twitter Breaking News sources NBC for it.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 10:44 AM
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7. Heartbreaking. . . .n/t
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 10:45 AM
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8. confirmed by family (Boston CBS news)
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 10:45 AM
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9. Now on local morning news. So sad.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 11:01 AM
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10. and now Eleanor Mondale, too.
Same age, too. Geez.
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 11:36 AM
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11. More sad news.... R.I.P. Kara.... nt
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:05 PM
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12. Ted Kennedy's daughter, Kara, dies at 51
Source: MSNBC

The only daughter of the late Senator Edward Kennedy, Kara Kennedy Allen, died suddenly Friday evening, NBC News has confirmed.

The 51-year-old mother of two teens died while at a health club in Washington, D.C.

Kennedy Allen had been a survivor of lung cancer and family friends say she had been in remission for a few years.

No further details about the circumstances of her death were available, but family members were told that a heart attack was suspected.
Kennedy Allen maintained a very private life. She made a public appearance at the White House on August 13, 2009, to accept the Medal of Freedom awarded to her father by President Obama.

Read more: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44560546/ns/politics-more_politics/



RIP Kara
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:05 PM
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13. RIP - nt
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:05 PM
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14. So very sad for the Allen-Kennedy families.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:05 PM
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15. may Peace be with her family and friends at this time. nt
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:05 PM
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16. ...
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:05 PM
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17. Rest in peace, Kara Kennedy Allen
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:05 PM
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18. oh that's sad
sigh.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:05 PM
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19. I just finished Teddy's book
That family is incredibly close and loving to each other. They've had so much heartbreak, too many died young. Oh how very very sad. I guess it's a good thing that Ted isn't here to bury his daughter. Sadness.....
:cry:
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:08 PM
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22. I agree this would have been too much for Ted to bear.
RIP Kara

:cry:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 05:50 AM
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38. Especially when he was so ill himself.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:05 PM
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20. Sad news, but she is with her father now. May she rest in peace. n/t
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:05 PM
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21. So frustrating to beat one health problem, only to be taken down by another. RIP, Kara.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:09 PM
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23. How sad. This family has had so much heartbreak, it's hard to imagine another loss.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:12 PM
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24. This is very sad
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:42 PM
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25. Terribly sorry to hear this.
I really feel for her brothers and for her circle of friends and family.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:43 PM
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26. RIP Kara Kennedy Allen
You are with your father now. May you rest in peace.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 01:44 PM
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28. I think I just medieumedm Ted Kenedy.
Yes RIP Kara Kennedy Allen.N
Now get to work in her name! My God! If Ted Keneddy were still with us! He would say Toughen up you stupid sons of beach! Don't morun for my daughter! Morune for my daugenters! We build this nation from rocks and clay, yet we still founnd solid ground upon which to build. We need to build away from the quicksand of republician develpopement in the Congress. Build from your top to your bottom, I am with you. For those below you, I am there.

Enough!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 05:52 AM
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39. Yeah, I doubt you're channeling Ted. Doesn't sound a thing like him,
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 11:34 AM
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41. it is difficult to channel someone
Especially when you cannot spell their name right ... Ted Kenedy uh huh ... ;)
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 01:35 PM
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27. Jeez, what's going on? Eleanor Mondale just died at 51.
Of brain cancer, daughter of the former Vice President Mondale.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 01:49 PM
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29. the curse of the boomers
and no, none of this age group will live to be very old IMO. It makes me sad -- cancer, cancer, cancer everywhere (not my problem yet however).

I lost my little brother to liver cancer and he was 44 years old. He'd be 51 now if he had lived.

A sign of more to come IMO. This generation has been exposed to more toxins than you can shake a stick at. I lived over the refineries and had Avon blowing in the window 24/7. It stunk so bad we lived with the windows shut. My mother died of lung cancer in fact. :argh:

:(

:kick:

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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 02:41 PM
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30. I'm sorry about your brother.
And, yes; cancer takes too many people way too young.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 03:34 PM
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31. thank you
I still haven't gotten over it -- doubt I ever will. He had a very difficult life and managed to make something of himself despite his many problems (both physical and mental challenges). He loved his job and worked right up until the day he died despite the ravages of all of the chemotherapy which was pointless as the cancer had metastasized already when discovered. He was way too young to die and believed that death was something that happened to old people only, not persons his age.

I'm glad both of my parents pre-deceased him; that is about all I can say in hindsight. :(

Thanks again.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 04:26 PM
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33. We are exposed to more toxins, but all but two of my mom's siblings died from cancer as well.
Genetics, toxins. I hate cancer.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 04:23 PM
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32. Eleanor fought quite a battle. It's hard to take. Kara was trying to do things for her health.
My condolences to both families. It's just too sad.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 05:30 PM
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34. R.I.P. Kara. n/t
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 10:07 PM
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35. Oh, my.
First Eleanor Mondale & now, Kara Kennedy -- both 51.

So very sorry.
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tawadi Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 11:05 PM
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36. That's so sad. To survive lung cancer and die like that.
At only 51. :-(
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LostinNY Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 03:47 AM
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37. My mother-in-law had cancer
And was told the Chemo had weakened her heart. I don't know if that had anything to do with it. And of course they think she may have gotten the breast cancer from the hormones she was taking for menopause and to protect her heart!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 05:53 AM
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40. Having cancer and getting cancer treatment both strain your body a lot,
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 06:40 PM
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42. Kara Kennedy, daughter of Ted Kennedy, dies at 51
Source: AP

Kara Kennedy, daughter of Ted Kennedy, dies at 51


WASHINGTON (AP) — Kara Kennedy accepted the Presidential Medal of Freedom with tears welling in her eyes on behalf of her ailing father at a 2009 White House ceremony but also managed a smile as Sen. Ted Kennedy's life was honored. After the Democratic senator died two weeks later following a battle with brain cancer, his only daughter read a psalm at his funeral Mass in Boston, moving many.

The eldest of the senator's three children, Kara Kennedy died Friday at age 51, collapsing after her daily workout at a Washington health club. The cause of death wasn't immediately released.

Though she had never sought elected office like many in her famously political family, she helped with her father's presidential and Senate campaigns and heeded his call to give back through public service. She worked as a filmmaker and in television and was active in an array of causes from the arts to battling fetal alcohol syndrome.

She herself had been diagnosed with lung cancer in 2002, but underwent surgery the following year that doctors had said was successful.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/kara-kennedy-daughter-ted-kennedy-dies-51-230138336.html
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 06:40 PM
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43. This was posted in LBN yesterday. n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 06:57 PM
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44. Very sad ---
And can't help noticing that only Joan seems to have excaped cancer?


Edward, the first victim of cancer --

Ted -- the second --

Kara -- the third --

Patrick -- a non-cancerous tumor --




All coincidental?

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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 08:15 PM
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45. Joan Kennedy has had breast cancer n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 09:09 PM
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46. Wow ... OK ... so that leaves me to conclude ....
Edited on Sun Sep-18-11 09:09 PM by defendandprotect
that somewhere along the line, someone was targeting Ted Kennedy's home --

probably sometime after they didn't succeed in killing him in the airplane crash

very soon after the coup on his brother!!


Former Rep. Richard Sprague has often commented on these threats to the Kennedy

Family and to the likelihood of Ted's having been framed by those protecting the

Oval Office from anyone who would turn things around --

Think about it, they really can't afford to have anyone legit take over --


Here's Richard Sprague -- "The Taking of America 1-2-3" -- if you're interested ....

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToA.html

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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 10:42 PM
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47. targeting his home with what? Chemical spraying? A little far-fetched
I myself have seen chemical spraying and you know it's going on.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 09:09 AM
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50. Who knows? How many still don't know or believe ....
that long ago the CIA could create cancer in individuals -- ?

That's certainly what happened to Jack Ruby --

And, certainly, what David Ferrie and others were working on in New Orleans --


Creating instant heart attacks -- putting some chemical on a bar of soap --

seems that's how they finally got J. Edgar Hoover?


Granted it's 1 in 3 now in America who get cancer -- ?

But I'd say it's a bit over the coincidence limit when two parents and three children

in the same family get cancer!

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 11:46 PM
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49. Hereditary. Not coincidental.
Little Ted had bone cancer--they took his leg off. Joan had cancer too, she beat it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 09:11 AM
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51. When 5 out of 5 in a family have cancer ....
I think we're over the limit for inheritated illness and/or coincidence --

Let's also not ignore the fact that the CIA was using cancer as a weapon --

and not only on foreigners!

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jxnmsdemguy65 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 10:48 AM
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52. Read Me and Lee by Judyth Vary Baker
for the story of CIA created cancer labs in New Orleans and Lee Harvey Oswald's involvement with them. Individuals like Guy Banister, the racist former FBI man played by Ed Asner in the film JFK, were most likely eliminated by a substance call sodium thiphosphate, a substance that can be injected with a syringe into a persons toothpaste and causes an instant, untraceable heart attack when ingested. That's why many JFK witnesses succumbed to heart ailments in 1964 when the investigation was getting underway. Ruby was undoubtedly injected with cancer virus cells of the type developed in New Orleans intended for the abortive 'kill Castro' project described in Ms. Baker's book.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:27 AM
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54. True -- and I'm familair ...
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 11:38 AM by defendandprotect
with most of the info on it --

but always like to hear that others are also aware of it --

The movie JFK still plays well -- it was repeating on AMC over the weekend --


Allegedly, they put something on Hoover's soap which took him out -- heart attack --

but Jack Ruby was one of the most interesting cases of cancer --


There are two types of cancer cells -

CILIA which originate in the respiratory system and

MICROVILLI which originate in the digestive system --

These cells are difficult to differentiate with a regular microscope --

requires an electron microscope --

"Bruce McCarthy operated an electron microscope at Southwest Medical School

near Parkland." He told author, Jim Marrs/Crosfire, "that he was called back

to work over the holidays in 1966 -- to make a study of Ruby's cancer cells."

McCarthy confirmed Ruby's cells were MICROVILLI -- but it was announced that

Ruby died from lung cancer!


Jack Ruby tried to get info out to the public -- appealing to Chief Justice

Earl Warren -- as the interview ended, Ruby said --

"Well, you won't ever see me again. A whole new form of government is going to

take over the country, and I know I won't live to see you another time."


Jack wrote two letters smuggled out of prison -- you can read them in Crossfire --

"They alone planned the killing, by they I mean Johnson and others."

"And were his warnings of Nazis taking over rooted somewhere in a knowledge of

the mentality of the people he knew were behind the assassination?"

Btw, Ruby was scheduled for a new trial just before his death!


Ruby's comments are similar to Martha Mitchell's -- who spoke of Watergate/Nixon/Nazis --

and ironically to John Mitchell who also spit out at one point that --

"This country is going to move so far to the right that it will make your head spin!"


and not unlike Dick Cheney's comment that --

"We create the reality and everyone else lives it!"


Think Judyth Baker contributed a great deal to the information we now have --

as did Madelaine Brown --


:hi:




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jxnmsdemguy65 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:35 PM
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59. Yes the grouping of mysterious deaths around subsequent investiagations is amazing....
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 05:00 PM by jxnmsdemguy65
http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n2/deaths.html

There is even some question about LBJ's fatal heart attack in 1973. There is a possibility that the treatment he was given in fact greatly hastened his death, which occurred nearly to the day the US's official Vietnam withdrawal.

http://www.darkpolitricks.com/2011/08/more-likely-nixon-saw-off-lbj-than-he-masterminded-the-jfk-assassination/
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 01:10 AM
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63. Indeed -- of course, I'd point out that these weren't only "deaths" .....
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 01:24 AM by defendandprotect
these were violent deaths which should also be considered increasing the odds

against - !!

I see Jim Marrs is involved with this article -- Love him --

not familiar with Schuster --

We also have to consider that all of these deaths were still necessary DESPITE

the reality that the cover up is kept going and protected at the very topmost

levels of government --

Imagine the London times received a few phone calls -- !!

Which also reminds me that many young people employed by CIA were quite familiar with Oswald and

knew that he was working for the CIA -- and immediately a number of them tried to get that

info out -- very quickly there were shut down with warnings and threats - and any who then

persisted did suffer accidents --

I'm sure you know that the Tunnheim Panel -- 1992 JFK Classified Records Act -- unanimously

concluded that -- "OSWALD WORKED FOR THE CIA ON HIGH LEVEL ASSIGNMENTS AND PROBABLY ALSO

FOR THE FBI" --


There was also a lot going on with the House Committee to stop it -- and once started to

intimidate it -- at the very end they were forced to acknowledge the evidence of the

dictaphone belt made during the time of the shooting in Dealey Plaza --

and that has held up -- especially because of the "carillion" played by a local bank which

could be heard in Dealey Plaza and can be heard on the tape --

They also recommended new investigations ---

Re the deaths connected to the coup on JFK -- we should also recall that there were attempts

which failed -- from witnesses to the Officer Tippitt killing to Jean Hill where her car

was tampered with and she was saved by heavy rain/mud!


Yet it is now well established that the CIA was developing a wide-range of lethal techniques for disposing of people dating back to the early 1950s.

Testifying before the Church Committee in 1975, CIA technicians told of a variety of TWEP technology - Termination With Extreme Prejudice - including liquid botulinum toxins and a pulmonary-embolism-causing pill which cannot be detected in a post-mortem examination.

One recently-declassified CIA document, a letter from an Agency consultant to a CIA officer, states:

You will recall that I mentioned that the local circumstances under which a given means might be used might suggest the technique to be used in that case. I think the gross divisions in presenting this subject might be:

bodies left with no hope of the cause of death being determined by the most complete autopsy and chemical examinations
bodies left in such circumstances as to simulate accidental death
bodies left in such circumstances as to simulate suicidal death
bodies left with residue that simulate those caused by natural diseases.
The letter goes on to show that undetected murders do not have to be the result of sophisticated chemicals. It states:

There are two techniques which I believe should be mentioned since they require no special equipment besides a strong arm and the will to do such a job. These would be either to smother the victim with a pillow or to strangle him with a wide piece of cloth such as a bath towel. In such cases, there is no specific anatomic changes to indicate the cause of death...

While is obvious that the CIA - and hence the mob through operatives who work for both - has the capability of killing, it is less well-known that the Agency has developed drugs to induce cancer. Recall that Jack Ruby died of sudden lung cancer just as he had been granted a new trial.

A 1952 CIA memo reported on the cancer-causing effects of beryllium:


I won't repeat any more of it -- but highly recommend your post to others --

Actually looked over the list and some I wasn't aware of --

I think it's correct that Evelyn Lincoln -- JFK's secretary -- be included because she

had begun to get rather noisy about what she knew -- not familiar with the actual causes

of her death -- perhaps she knew she was dying?


I don't see Frank Sturgis on the list -- died in 1992 of CANCER -- age 68

And Gerald Ford should be on the lists, imo -- he was a principal player in the cover up --

moving the back wound up to create the idiotic "margic bullet" theory -- !!

The would in JFK's back was actually very specificially identified --

and it was in JFK's right shoulder blade -- and made at a 45 degree DOWNWARD ANGLE!!

The "magic bullet" is one of the most atrocious and blatant lies every told!

But I do notice that Arlene Specter is still alive -- though I think he just delivered

the "Magic Bullet" BS -- it was someone else who thought it up --

Arlen did survive -- as I recall it -- a cancerous brain tumor --


I'll try to check out your other link later --


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 03:12 AM
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64. Re your second link ---
Sadly -- even considering MEDICARE -- LBJ remains a criminal figure -- though

many don't know that -- LBJ was involved in private murders and political murders --

had at least one personal friend who attended to much of this for him -- MAC WALLACE!


And, coincidentally, it is Mac Wallace's fingerprint which is found at the Texas

School Depository -- on one of the cartons which made up the "sniper's nest" -- !!


Recall also reading some while back that at least one other male described how he

came in contact with LBJ -- think he was in law enforcement but I'm not sure -- and

how LBJ tried to hire him to do some killing for him! Long term employment --


Nixon gave us our first "October Surprise" -- TREASON --

LBJ stopped the bombing of Vietnam to enable the peace talks to go forward -- believing

that his would help Hubert Humphrey win.

Nixon was involved in back channel dealings with Anna Chennault to get a message thru

that any "deal" would be improved if he were president -- in other words to keep the

Peace talks from going forwad --

As I recall the final deal at the end of the war -- it was for $3 BILLION -- promised by

Kissiner and never paid?


Also keep in mind, the Nixon/Humphrey election was also taking place as the electronic voting

computers were being introduced! In Florida, two journalists there noticing very odd results

began to investigate. Just before Watergate, they tried to turn over the information they had

gathered on the computers to Larry O'Brien at the DNC -- but had to leave the info for him as

he was away at the time.


IMO, the info re Chennault was more dangerous to Nixon if anyone understood it!

LBJ would have been required to ask DOJ to investigate what was certainly TREASON by Nixon's

campaign!


Moreover, Gottlieb, having just decided to retire from the Agency – assisted former DCI Richard Helms, before departing to Tehran as Ambassador to Iran, who “…presided over a wholesale destruction of documents and tapes – presumably to minimize information that might later be used against him.” (John Marks, The Search For the ‘Manchurian Candidate’, p. 219) Gottlieb even got Agency archivists to destroy all records relating to MK-ULTRA. It was because of their failure to destroy seven boxes of invoices and financial records, particularly document #455, dated May 6, 1974, regarding the experimentation regard Project ORD, apparently because of misfiling that Marks had been able to vaguely reconstruct what Gottlieb’s people were doing.

So by slim chance, we found out about these programs -- !!

Re the crash of the plane Dorothy Hunt was traveling on -- that plane was certainly purposefully

brought down --

Clark was most interested in picking Collins’s brain about what the White House was so interested in finding by the Watergate break-in. Dorothy Hunt, Clark and Collins, it seems, were putting together an indictment of the President having been complicit in the whole secret agenda, stemming from Larry O’Brien’s knowledge of NRO operations, when they were deliberately killed.


and Nixon then organized the cover up --

Krogh was immediately named Undersecretary of Transport, the agency which was to oversee the inquiries by the NTSB and the Federal Aviation Association (FAA) into the crash ; Alexander Butterfield, Haldeman’s aide who knew of the Oval Office’s secret tapes, and who was managing the payment of “hush money”, was soon made chief of the FAA; and Dwight Chapin, Nixon’s appointment secretary who knew all about the “ratfucking” – doing anything to win an election – was appointed chief executive of UAL’s Chicago office.

Ultimately, Colson, thanks to becoming a born-again Christian while spending time in the cooler for his excesses, admitted as much, stating in the July 8, 1974 issue of Time magazine: “I think they killed Dorothy Hunt,” though notice that he still does not go to the trouble of identifying who “they” were.

And, never heard any of this before -- but intersting -- and possible --

While the death of Dorothy Hunt turned her husband around – thanks to new claims implicating Howard as being one of the bums arrested in the railroad marshalling yard nearby Dealey Plaza in Dallas when JFK was assassinated – the crash drove ‘Deep Throat’ aka Al Haig to take stronger measures against the Oval Office, as Woodward and Bernstein have described in All the President’s Men. While the Watergate break-in had caused him to tell tales which led to the arrest, and successful prosecution of the burglars – as I have described in my article “How and Why Al Haig Torpedoed Richard Nixon as ‘Deep Throat’ ” in the Trowbridge Archive, the crash killing nearly 60 people was too much for the former DNSA. This was when Woodward had the meetings with ‘Deep Throat’, now Army Vice Chief of Staff at the Pentagon, during which he described the scope of the White House’s ‘ratfucking’:

but rather makes a hero of Haig -- don't know that I buy that --


“On evenings such as those, Deep Throat had talked about how politics had infiltrated every corner of government – a strong-arm takeover of the agencies by the Nixon White House. Junior White House aides were giving orders on the highest levels of the bureaucracy. He had once called it the ‘switchblade mentality’ – and had referred to the willingness of the President’s men to fight dirty and for keeps, regardless of what effect the slashing might have on the government and the nation.” (Quoted from p. 130.)

The author claims that Mark Felt was involved in covering up the cause of the crash -- and putting

150 FBI agents on the scene immediately to cover it up -- as I recall there was a lot of money

floating around everywhere -- and agents picking it up -- the $$$ that Dorthy Hunt had been carrying.


Never heard any of this before -- interesting --

While Haig was leading the hunt to bring down the White House as ‘Deep Throat’, he also was also instrumental in bringing about the resignation of Vice President Spiro Agnew, the manager of the “November Surprise” which assured Nixon’s election in 1968, and had been recorded by the NRO – what had been Nixon’s albatross ever since he entered the White House in 1969. While Nixon thought that he had finally shed the problems of Watergate by accepting the resignations of Erlichman, Haldeman, Dean and Attorney General Richard Kliendienst – what was more than offset by Butterworth’s acknowledgement to the Ervin Committee of the existence of all the tapes – than Haig, now back at the White House as Chief of Staff, was given the responsibility by the new Attorney General, Elliot Richarson, of determining Agnew’s fate.



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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 05:41 PM
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60. If you combine the array of light and shadow created
by Chemtrails, which of course, do not exist, except for back in April of 2009, when the Energy Department science guy Chou announced this Administration might start using them: well anyway, if you combine the chemtrails arrays with the HAARP arrays, you can actually configure energy patterns to bombard a person's house with electromagnetic frequencies and set off any disease that the individual is predisposed to through his or her own genetics.

Chou was talking about this Administration using the Chemtrails to offset the global climate changes, especially global warming. And not speaking of doing this as illness-targeting.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:22 AM
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53. Oh please. Everyone I know with the type of brain cancer Ted The Elder died from
were people who used CELL PHONES exorbitantly.

Ted was an early adapter to the cell phone. He had one of the first ones I'd ever seen -- it looked like the thing that WW2 radiomen would haul around on their backs.

The CIA didn't kill Ted. His cellphones did.

I'm a fan of the speaker feature on the rare occasion that I use a cell.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:29 AM
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55. Glad to hear that you without doubt definitely know what happened ... !!
ROFL --

And, of course, they didn't try to kill Ted in his private plane accident soon

after the coup on JFK?

Nor was Ted framed at Chappaquiddick -- !!

Nor did they kill JFK, Jr. -- !!


We'll take your word for it -- thanks -- what a reflief!!



ROFL

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 11:46 AM
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56. Glad that you're glad.
I won't ROFL back at you. I kind of feel sorry for people who see crazed, convoluted conspiracies behind every corner.

I won't even continue this conversation with you, but you might want to talk to someone about your paranoia--it'll eat you up and cut short your life.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 10:15 PM
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61. "Everyone I know with the type of brain cancer ..." How many might that be ... ???
Edited on Tue Sep-20-11 10:20 PM by defendandprotect
I'm sure you also feel sorry for our Founders who cautioned that we be

vigilant because "not all men among us are honest men" --

and who advised us about the possibility of a conspiracy between the president

and vice president -- and informed us in that case to "suspend the administration" -- !!

Maybe you don't understand that our DOJ works on prosecuting "conspiracies" --

and that Scooter Libby was charged with conspiracy --


Maybe you've never heard of "Operation Northwoods" -- "Project Paperclip" --

"MK Ultra" -- "Mockingbird" -- "Operation Phoenix" --

and the many false flag operations -- "Tonkin Gulf," for one --


Or maybe you are just completely naive -- especially re our CIA and the many coups

and conspiracies they've been involved with?

Or are you also denying those?


ROFL


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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #51
58. 7 our of 7 in my family.
7 our of 7 in my family. Each from cancer. Chances are, I'll make it eight... :shrug:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #58
62. That's dreadful ---
but certainly neither the Kennedy experience nor yours could be said to

be common --

Shocking enough that 1 in 3 Americans are suffering cancers -- !


My sympathies on your situation -- and certainly hope that you won't be #8 -- !!


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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:07 PM
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57. Sad news
Condolences to the Kennedy family.
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Bombero1956 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 10:08 AM
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65. so very sad
Joan Kennedy said she was with Ted now. Died on the same day as Eleanor Mondale. A very sad day for Dems.
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