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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 01:39 AM Original message |
Study: Gulf War Syndrome Is Brain Damage Caused By Nerve Gas, Not Psychological Issues |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yet Another "Cause", if we give them more money. |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 03:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. organophosphate |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
27. Diffuse poisoning |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. yes, I thought DU (depleted uranium) was shown to be responsible for at least some of GWS |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
80. Are we talking G(H)WS or GWS? |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. I don't know |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Well, there's your GW and your GHW... both of them started wars in the Gulf. |
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liberalmike27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
34. Those Who Join Should Know |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #34 |
53. That's the truth |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
74. Yep. The ruling class is just not worth risking your life over. nt |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
44. Thank you. You are absolutely correct about pesticides. My uncle |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
61. Militaries and wars are POISON. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
68. People shouldn't forget the oil well fires. |
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IthinkThereforeIAM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-17-11 01:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
95. Don't forget the diet sodas... |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-17-11 01:35 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Somehow, it's hard to see the VA granting presumptive CTSD... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Yeah, those fucking attempts to study brain damaged troops are draining us dry. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
29. WHAT?!?! |
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Bladian (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
59. ...you find that picture offensive? |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-17-11 02:01 AM Response to Reply #59 |
97. hmm... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
92. You must be: |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-17-11 02:04 AM Response to Reply #92 |
98. You must be: |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
37. Really? Have you noticed there's no "Afghani War Syndrome?" |
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Fuddnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. The same poster was telling us how healthy Corexit was last year.. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
76. Must be "the T word". nt |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
90. Exactly. |
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donquijoterocket (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. but |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
75. I think you're on the wrong message board. This is for Progressives. You know, people with empathy. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #75 |
91. Empathy doesn't mean potentially lying in the name of funding pet theories. |
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astral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-17-11 12:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
94. depleted uranium |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
2. Nerve gas = brain damage? |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 04:40 AM Response to Original message |
4. Where does it say that nerve gas is to blame? |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. "caused by chronic exposure to minimal amounts of sarin gas." |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. US troops blew up Iraqi ammo dumps that contained large numbers of sarin gas tipped shells |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Chickens roosting. n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:30 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. No. If sarin damaged those who profited from it, or started that war, maybe chickens |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:43 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Agreed. |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 07:20 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Bravo. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Maybe, but, even if so, nothing says it was the ONLY source of their exposure. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Not I. There were dozens of neurotoxins. Sarin gas is just the most potent. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 07:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. And thats why the bush/cheney criminal crew just knew that Saddam had WMD |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. They also knew in '95 that Saddam had destroyed most of his stockpiles - the head of the Iraqi |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
56. As it is now Lies are too easy to tell |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Real honesty is impossible above a certain level in government - it would be dealt with as a violat- |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
54. Exactly! That's what I was thinking too . . . |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
25. They were exposed through blowing up Iraqi arsenal and by scud missiles |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
62. this study does not indicate the cause, it only shows real physiological changes... |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
81. A good book |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
6. This study seems to be most significant for identification of a definite physiological injury. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:32 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Not getting your point. What if no 'physiological" cause were ever found for troops' brain damage? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:48 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Then, there would be a less clear path of research and treatment. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
65. Thanks for the info |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #12 |
30. It would be more difficult to attempt to hold the Pentagon and MIC responsible. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
67. Thanks. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #12 |
31. Well, now, |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
66. Thanks. |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:54 AM Response to Original message |
16. When discussing this topic |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
35. OMG! |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #35 |
52. For a minute, there, I was wondering what was so horrible about |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
45. Fallujah's (sic) birth defects may be a preliminary study. |
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w0nderer (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
17. k&r n/t |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
20. Great news! Now can we start talking about the soldiers inhalation of depleted uranium? nt |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Give that another 10 years |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. no doubt. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Correction: |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #32 |
51. I stand corrected. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #20 |
39. Veterans already are: |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. With so many possibilities present it almost guarantees that no one |
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Muskypundit (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Half a million of our guys on disability from that war? Holy shit. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #49 |
70. Actually no. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
69. "anti-nerve gas tablets" |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
84. Heavy metal poisoning |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #39 |
85. I highly doubt it |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
22. K&R n/t |
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Roy Rolling (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
24. War is not healthy |
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gblady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. so true.... |
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riverwalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
26. read the testimonies of veterans |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #26 |
42. Excellent contribution to the thread. Thank you! nt |
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lsewpershad (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
36. What about |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
40. I'd like to see a better article |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
55. ITA.....I do have some research to post but I'm RACING out so I'll have to |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. thanks! |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
79. Okay, here we go -- a fair amount of background info |
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Fokker Trip (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
41. Soldiers have been front line guinea pigs for a long time. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
43. Okay - did we use serin gas? Why would we hide this all those years? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Sigh.... |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
50. Seeing how an old friend of my husband's died of GWS, |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
58. Another way Rs BORROWED the money and where Ds get the bill. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
64. Odd, I thought the brain was a physical thing with the mind being physical information... |
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orbitalman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
71. I am NOT surprised.... |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
72. So DU bombs not to blame and Pentagon off the hook? |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Rule nothing out |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
73. And kids are STILL enlisting. Sheesh. To get brain damage for the assholes running this country and |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
77. "They" will " de-bunk" this quickly and publicly. |
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Duval (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
78. K&R n/t |
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lunasun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
83. I guess this way the Army doesnt have to mention the Larium,etc they gave |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
86. Two of our favorite people, Don Imus and Lou Dobbs were |
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cpamomfromtexas (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
89. I posted this in a fluoroquinolone help group, most believe that was it |
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lunasun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. See post #83 Lariam it is an anti malaria- Mefloquine Fq research is good and was |
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