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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:46 PM Original message |
Leaked Documents Reveal Major Speculators Behind 2008 Oil Price Shock: Hedge Funds, Koch, Big Banks, |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
1. how about now? |
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wellst0nev0ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. No This Time It's Different! |
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vets74 (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 07:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
86. Matt_Taibbi_Hater =EQUALS= Corporatist Shill |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #86 |
108. +1000 |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. Yep, gas is almost as expensive now |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
66. it's 3.85 in CT, very close to price in '08 when oil was at $150/barrel |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
52. Now, dems blame the speculators, and repugs blame the dems |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. No, Paul Krugman said that oil speculation had nothing to do with it. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Krugman has good points on most things |
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CAcyclist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #64 |
92. Document your assertions |
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CAcyclist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #64 |
94. Here is Paul Krugman's actual opinion from 2009 |
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vets74 (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 07:53 AM Response to Reply #52 |
87. "Blame" ties to criminal acts. Goldman/Aleynikov "secret sauce" breaks exchanges' security |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. Kick and Rec one time for the teabaggers |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
46. Won't do much good |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #46 |
56. That must be why none of the MSM |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #56 |
95. Elucidate, my dear Watson. |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. Not at all. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:08 AM Response to Reply #46 |
70. Teabaggers have been told to |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. kr nt |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. kr |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. A veritable who's who of criminal high rollers n/t |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
7. The extra money out of our pockets went to these named speculators. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
8. Nobody could have imagined... |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. "We need to end all regulation and let the 'free market' rule. Smirk." - Republicons |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
72. Just like planes into buildings.........nt |
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Cool Logic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
9. I am quite certain that OPEC had nothing to do with it... |
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lindysalsagal (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
10. But...High prices are Obama's fault! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
60. Well, of course, Obama isn't pals with any of these anti-democractic corporations ... is he? |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
11. Koch criminal enterprise. |
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Hotler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
12. Quite the group of players. eom. |
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cosmicone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
13. The speculators are scum .... but .... |
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bluesbassman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. No, we'd just be paying $8.00 a gallon like they do in Europe. |
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cosmicone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
59. The $8/gallon in Europe is not due to demand |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
67. what does this have to do with driving SUV's? And $8 gas in Europe & Canada gets you health care & |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
14. Thank you , Bernie. Now can we hang someone? |
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SomeGuyInEagan (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
63. Not as long as there are reality shows and millionaires posing as journalists. |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 01:00 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Three words: Barack Hussein Obama |
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santamargarita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
15. 'Brunch with Bernie' should be good tomorrow. |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
16. Surprise!!!! Oh ya....NOT! |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
17. Republicon Family Values = Screw America and Americans |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
19. These people should be in prison. |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
20. K&R |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
21. And this should be posted to the canada group. Bank of Montreal huh? |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
58. They 'play' the same game as all the others... |
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EvilMonsanto (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
22. The Return of Koch |
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INdemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. This is a perfect example of why the corporate mafia want another |
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INdemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Duplicate |
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catzies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
23. Bet they did it because they knew everything was near collapse anyway |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
73. Sounds plausible......nt |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
24. The rich are fucking everyone. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. In every orifice. And when they're done with them, they break skin and make more. nt |
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bl968 (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
25. Simple fix |
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subterranean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. They used to have position limits. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
74. I'm all for your solution. |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
26. RECOMMENDED. Bookmarked. Everyone should read and bookmark and re-read. |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
31. If we had a real Justice Dept. - or even a real FBI, this list would be investigated. nt |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:18 AM Response to Reply #31 |
75. If we had a real media they would report on it. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
32. If they found out coffee was going to run short, they'd speculate on that |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. Legal, but hardly normal to trade bits of paper which represent items you never |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:21 AM Response to Reply #51 |
76. Bob, you are plumb! |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
33. an economy.... |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
34. so we finally we have the details...... |
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Mr Gerrity (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
35. Shocker |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
36. Can we sue them? Class action? |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. Greed isn't a crime, esp. When you rig the laws |
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rainy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
37. When are the big media conglomerates going to pick |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:22 AM Response to Reply #37 |
77. Yeah! |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
38. It's just awesome that the Democrats have told us about this!!11!! |
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dd2003 (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
39. Koch werent speculators to the upside |
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WhiteTara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
40. Leaked? This is an official statement of fact. |
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farmbo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
41. Make them take delivery... |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
43. It is not fair that we can't clone Bernie. K&R |
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Luciferous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. +1000 |
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classysassy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
44. Senator Sanders |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. No, but it is a short list imo. Marcy Kaptur, the Congresswoman is another favorite of mine |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:24 AM Response to Reply #45 |
79. Favorite here too..........nt |
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7wo7rees (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #45 |
97. That makes two total. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:23 AM Response to Reply #44 |
78. Close.......nt |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
48. Bernie is a hero. |
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vets74 (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:09 AM Response to Reply #48 |
88. Google [sanders community health center ] |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
50. Can we call it racketeering now? |
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SnakeEyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #50 |
100. Not unless there is the appearance of illegality. |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. It is if the result is price fixing, which this seemed to be their planned outcome. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
53. Who knew? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
55. I tried to point that out at the time |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
105. I took issue with Krugman on his blog in 2008.. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. Thanks it's nice to know I'm not the only one. |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
57. It's how the GOP funds their presidential elections. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. +1000% --- Costs corporations a lot to buy our government and elected officials -- !! |
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young_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
61. SO much happened in 2008 yet it's seldom mentioned |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:47 AM Response to Reply #61 |
80. You're right. |
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Arthur3284 (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-15-11 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
65. And let me guess, nothing will be done to them because they fund everyone's campaign. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:50 AM Response to Reply #65 |
81. Did you figure that out all by yourself? |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
71. kr nt |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 04:00 AM Response to Original message |
82. Ed and Rachael should be talking about this... |
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dmosh42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 04:10 AM Response to Original message |
83. What we were saying, but now confirmed.... |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 04:28 AM Response to Original message |
84. Quelle surprise. Non? |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 06:54 AM Response to Original message |
85. Hey, don't employees of some of those companies now work in the White House?? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
89. I recall a story of some speculator who stated |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
90. Top 25 when all four groups are added together includes China??? as fourth? |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
91. Caaaaaaaaptainnnnnn Obvious flies in. |
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blkmusclmachine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
93. GREED |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
96. Let's blow that list of players up a little more |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
98. k&r |
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SpankMe (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
99. No to new taxes, but yes to higher gas prices? |
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DrunkenBoat (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
102. where is koch in that list? i don't see it. |
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disillusioned73 (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
103. K&R... Love the pic |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
104. Kicked and recommended. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-16-11 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
107. K&R n/t |
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