Swissair crash may not have been an accident: ex-RCMP

[Swede]

Source: CBC

An investigator looking into the crash of Swissair Flight 111 near Peggys Cove, N.S., says he was prevented by senior RCMP and aviation safety officials from pursuing his theory that an incendiary device might have been the cause of the fatal fire on board.

"There was sufficient grounds to suspect a criminal device on that plane," retired RCMP sergeant Tom Juby, who was an arson investigator assigned to the Swissair file, told CBC's The Fifth Estate.

"I'm convinced that the investigation was improperly done," he said.

The flight from New York to Geneva crashed into the Atlantic Ocean on Sept. 2, 1998, killing 229 passengers and crew.



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/09/14/swissair-investigation.html

[MineralMan]

1. Apparently, there's a documentary about to air on this.

Another conspiracy theory takes shape. Did anyone see missiles arcing up from the ocean?

[FSogol]

2. Chemtrails or UFOs?

:shrug:

[MineralMan]

9. Neither. It's a conspiracy, see?

It was the neo-somethings that did it. Take your pick.

[saras]

15. Neither - flying trolls

[closeupready]

3. Sometimes, they really ARE out to get you.

nt

[MineralMan]

5. Oh, no doubt about it. I have my rear-view mirror glasses on

at all times. You just never know, do you? :rofl:

[harmonicon]

10. well...

In this case, this person seems to have at least some credibility. I hate all of the conspiracy theories that arise around these things, but I'm also bothered when people involved in an investigation aren't satisfied with the accuracy of reached conclusions.

[Diclotican]

4. Swede

Swede

I do not know if this is a theory who is true... But the accident killed of the McDonnel Douglas MD11 as a pax aircraft.. The reputation was tarnised beyound repair by the accident and just 200 aircraft was ever prodused.. Most as them as Cargo Aircraft - where they by the way do a excelent job, and have made a place for themself..

Diclotican

[Blue_Tires]

8. Sadly the accident also killed SwissAir

[Diclotican]

14. Blue_Tires

Blue_Tires

Wel, Swissair soldiered for many years after that accident - it was bad loans, and the economical downturn in the 2000/2001 and not to say 11 sept 2001, that really killed off Swissair.. And Swissair was in love whit the MD11, and had queite a few of them flying for them.. Even after that horrible accident, they used MD11 to many places. And both the operator and the pax was really found of the aircraft..

Diclotican

[SoapBox]

11. Hmmmm....I'm not so sure about your theory.

The aircraft NEVER met expectations and promises made by MD.

American Airlines, had a fair order for the plane but stopped taking them right off the bat, because of promises made regarding fuel efficiency and distance, simply were not there once the a/c was put into service.

Delta was another that found that the plane did not perform as planned and thus, was not usable for the long routes that it was planned for...

The insulation combustion issue was a known issue, just as the pitot tube issue was a known issue on the A330 (Air France Flight 447).

I think that this new story is just another consipacy theory.

p.s...the TWA crash didn't kill off production or use of the B747(caused by another known concern...wiring in fuel tanks and having said tanks either empty / partially filled.)

[Diclotican]

13. SoapBox

SoapBox

Wel, it scared many potential customers of the MD11, to go for the 767 instead of. I know both AA and Delta had many of the MD11 on order, and they ecused themself when the aircraft was not keeping up to the promised limits, when it came to fuell and distanse. Many, or most of this was fixed by the McDonnel Douglas company even tho the abilites of the MD11 was never as first promised.. But that can also be becouse both AA and Delta wanted MD11 to work on routes it was never optimised or designed to fly on..

It is no doubt that the horrible fire onboard Swiss 111 killed off the MD11, as a aircraft the public had trust in.. Even tho the aircraft was made fare more safe, by new modern anti-burn insulation, and a lot of other improvements who absolutely made the aircraft safer.. But for many in the public, the fact that it was a brand new aircraft, made it more or less imposible to buy it and put it into services..

I know that the TWA CRASH dosent kill of the 747, but Im not that sure, if a fatal crash with a lot of pax was killed, had it happened in the early carriaer of the 747... Lets say a horrible accident before the first years of the 1970s, would have had the posibility to kill of the production line, becouse Boeing was afraid of the reputation. And it is important to point out, that Boeing really was given all what they was able to give, in the production of the 747-100. One fatal crash, and the whole company could have been killed off..

Another point, is that the 747 who was destroyed in the horrible accident (TWA) was an old aircraft, and the MD11 who crashed in 1998, in fact was a brand new aircraft.. If the 747 had been a brand new aircraft, and then crashed, many potential customers would have seen itself after other aircraft than the 747..

Diclotican

[Blue_Tires]

6. Oh come the hell on...

What kind of bullshit "criminal device" can on demand burn for that slow and that long AND get placed in a critical, unseen part of the aircraft??

That's too unreliable of a way to bring a plane down...

Original report:
http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/1998/a98h0003/01report/01factual/rep1_00_00.asp

[MineralMan]

7. Well, that's the conspiracy thing, don't you see?

You're asking hard questions. That's not allowed. They have their FACTS! :rofl:

[Blue_Tires]

12. If hope for their sake there are some hard, legit revelations behind this and not conjecture

SR 111 does not need the scab peeled off in the name of a quick stunt

here's the official story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7893mWJOHI&feature=related

and discussion on the airliners.net forum:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5255320/

[CHIMO]

16. Swissair crash may not have been an accident: ex-RCMP

Source: CBC News

An investigator looking into the crash of Swissair Flight 111 near Peggys Cove, N.S., says he was prevented by senior RCMP and aviation safety officials from pursuing his theory that an incendiary device might have been the cause of the fatal fire on board.

"There was sufficient grounds to suspect a criminal device on that plane," retired RCMP sergeant Tom Juby, an arson investigator assigned right away to the Swissair file, told CBC's The Fifth Estate.

"I'm convinced that the investigation was improperly done," he said.

The flight from New York to Geneva crashed into the Atlantic Ocean on Sept. 2, 1998, killing 229 passengers and crew.



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/09/14/swissair-investigation.html

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Sep 15, 2011 7:59 PM ET

[WhiteTara]

17. Here's the first clue.

The flight from New York to Geneva crashed into the Atlantic Ocean on Sept. 2, 1998, killing 229 passengers and crew.

The plane carried a Saudi prince, a relative of the former shah of Iran and high-profile UN officials. Diamonds and gems that would be worth half a billion dollars today were also never found.

[goforit]

20. How convenient. Another mihop.

[No Elephants]

21. Ergo, there could not possibly have been an incendiary device planted by anyone, sane or not, from

any nation for any motive?



Did Mohammed Atta or the idiot shoe and underwear bombers ask for a list of passengers and cargo before deciding which plane to board? If they had, would ot have mattered to them? Or to anyone who wanted to plant an incendiary device for whatever nutty reason?

BTW, that priceless cargo that was never found could cut for or against your argument.

I have no clue whether there was a device or not, but I do know that the things cited in your post do not, in and of themselves, add up to proof there was none.

[tawadi]

18. There were strange twists of fate, I guess one could say about that crash

Including the deaths Jonathan Mann, former head of the WHO's AIDS program and Mann's wife, AIDS researcher Mary Lou Clements-Mann. I remember hearing they were very close to developing an AIDS vaccine.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/164171.stm

[MedicalAdmin]

19. It's sad that the RCMP, one considered incorruptible...

Is now considered corrupt to it's core. Friends of mine in all parts of Canada tell me tales of corruption large and small in the queens cowboys.