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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:08 PM
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S&P Met With Bond Firms
Source: The Wall Street Journal

Standard & Poor's Corp. officials held private meetings with large bond investors weeks before the firm's historic U.S. debt downgrade, leaving some believing the chance of a credit-rating cut was higher than they previously thought.

Though S&P had put the U.S. on "credit watch" in mid-July, some investors were skeptical that S&P would actually strip the U.S. of its triple-A rating, maintained since 1941. S&P said in a news release on July 14 that "there is at least a one-in-two likelihood that we could lower" the U.S. ratings within 90 days.

In the following weeks, S&P officials visited large bond firms including Allianz SE's Pacific Investment Management Co., Los Angeles-based TCW Group Inc., Legg Mason Inc.'s Western Asset Management and New York asset-management giant BlackRock Inc., according to people who either attended the meetings or were briefed on them afterward. Some of these investors say they came away with a stronger sense the nation's debt rating would be cut.

At the meeting with Western Asset Management on July 20, S&P officials noted that "70 to 75% of the countries that are put on watchlist for downgrade, get downgraded," said Stephen Walsh, Western Asset's chief investment officer, who was briefed on the gathering. He said Western Asset officials "came out unambiguous that the odds were much higher than 50-50."

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903648204576554642014670986.html
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:13 PM
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1. Why wouldnt that qualify as insider trading?
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:21 PM
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2. ...because the rules don't apply to them.
The rules apply only to those who do not have political influence.........:evilfrown:
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:31 PM
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3. You just nailed the problem with our current system of government ...
If I rob a bank, I go to jail. If someone runs a Wall Street investment firm or a large bank and screws investors out of billions of dollars, he ends up with a spectacular golden parachute or working for the administration in a high position. He doesn't even get investigated or charged with a crime and he gets to keep all the money he stole from his investors.

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Eddie Haskell Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 11:20 PM
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5. The Sec has rules for rating agencies.
One of them is that the ratings must be released publicly. If the S&P broke the rules, they must be punished.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 11:10 PM
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4. Interesting Nt
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Evasporque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 11:22 PM
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6. Republican - No Banker Left Behind...nt
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