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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:48 PM
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Over 1,000 Arrested While Protesting Keystone XL Pipeline (at White House)
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 08:51 PM by Hissyspit
Source: Food And Water Watch / Alternet

Over 1,000 Arrested While Protesting the Keystone XL Pipeline

By Sarah Alexander | Sourced from Food and Water Watch
Posted at September 2, 2011, 4:55 pm

One of the largest acts of civil disobediencein the environmental movement is underway as over 1,000 people have been arrested in front of the White House while gathering to oppose the Keystone XL Pipeline. The pipeline, which will extend from the Athabasca tar sands of Canada to the Gulf of Mexico, is a threat to our environment and threatens the drinking water of millions of people in its path.

The pipeline is especially threatening because it will run from the tar sands in Alberta, Canada through the Ogallala aquifer—one of the world’s largest supplies of fresh water—as well as major rivers that supply substantial agricultural water to farmers and drinking water to millions of Americans.

The project got the attention of Nebraska Governor Dave Heineman, who found the issue critical enough to write a letter to President Obama saying that he didn’t want the pipeline coming through his state.

Food & Water Watch’s Board President and international water activist Maude Barlow has been instrumental in the movement against the Keystone XL pipeline. She’s been fighting to oppose it because of the disasters it’s already caused in Canada, and the disasters waiting to happen if it’s built in the U.S. She has joined with other key movement leaders and scientists, including Bill McKibben, Naomi Klein, James Hansen and David Suzuki to call for direct action to stop this pipeline, which Bill McKibben calls the “biggest carbon bomb on the continent.”

Read more: http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/660627/over_1%2C000_arrested_while_protesting_the_keystone_xl_pipeline



http://www.tarsandsaction.org/

http://www.npr.org/2011/09/01/140117187/for-protesters-keystone-pipeline-is-line-in-tar-sand

For Protesters, Keystone Pipeline Is Line In Tar Sand
by RICHARD HARRIS

U.S. Park Police officers arrest demonstrators in front of the While House on Thursday. They were protesting against a proposed 1,700-mile-long pipeline that would carry oil from the tar sands in Alberta, Canada, to the U.S. Gulf Coast.

September 1, 2011

Dozens of environmental activists showed up in front of the White House Thursday to get arrested in a peaceful protest against a proposed oil pipeline that would cut across the American Midwest.

Organizers said that over the past 10 days, about 800 people have been handcuffed and bused off to a police station in this ongoing action.

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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:53 PM
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1. the numbers are growing. Good!!!!
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:14 PM
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2. If we can get 2 Tea Baggers ...
to show up in costume and COUNTER-PROTEST them, that would guarantee 24/7 coverage on right wing national media.

PSST: I think I'm dropping a hint to some merry progressive pranksters in the DC area:)



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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:19 PM
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3. Just get a stupid hat with a tea bag stapled to it and
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 09:20 PM by russspeakeasy
Wolf Blitzer will do 10 minutes on it...:woohoo:
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 01:07 PM
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41. Ha! Good one. nt
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 01:40 PM
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42. Lol, good idea! n/t
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 12:44 AM
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18. Set up a port-a-potti
they will come
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freedom fighter jh Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:52 AM
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30. Your hint has been taken, sort of, almost . . .
I was there on Tuesday, 9/23. Folks were sitting in front of the White House fence, waiting to get arrested. I was with the crowd on the sidewalk across the street. Someone near me started shouting "Drill, baby, drill."

People jumped all over the guy.

But he wasn't dressed up; it was more like he stayed under cover until he was ready to start shouting. And there was only one of him.

So of course we did not get much MSM coverage.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:22 PM
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4. This should ensure cheap oil in the MidWest
One section from Alberta to Cushing, OK is already built. This has flooded the Cushing exchange with crude and the West Texas Intermedidiate price at Cushing is about $20 / barrel less that the world crude price as measured by Brent and other exchanges.

If the pipeline is extended from Cushing to the Gulf, the glut in Cushing will be relieved and the Candians will get world prices for their oil. The US midwest will lose the advantage of abnormally cheap Canadian tar sands oil.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 11:54 PM
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13. I paid $3.88/gall. today in MI. Not sure where this "abnormally cheap" nonsense is coming from.
nt
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 07:52 PM
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70. That's the illusion that the oil companies want you to believe...
When in fact, this oil, as ANY oil, will be put on the WORLD market, where the prices are controlled by the OPEC cartel, and those who speculate in oil.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:23 PM
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5. That's a lot of arrests!
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 09:27 PM by chill_wind
I wonder what the record was for antiwar protests over any similar period of days under junior.
(Were there any WH sidewalk war protests that lasted that many straight days? Can anyone remember?)
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 02:42 AM
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20. That's the first think that crossed my mind when...
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 02:43 AM by Shining Jack
I read the OP.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:42 PM
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6. Huh? in the second citing, it says "dozens
of environmental activists showed up". Dozens? And "about 800 people" arrested? Way to downplay this in the first line of an article!!! Hopefully enough people can do math.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:57 PM
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10. It's over the course of ten days--a hundred a day, or so. NT
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:43 PM
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7. So hopeful! n/t
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:51 PM
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8. No one is noticing its not on FoX yet.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:55 PM
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9. Over the course of ten days? That's only a hundred a day on average.
That's not busting the cells or even taxing the administrative capacity of the Park Police. I wonder if some of them are repeat performances.

This is by no means a done deal.

It might not be a bad idea to target the state governors--all politics is local, after all. From the above-cited NPR link:

At issue is a proposed pipeline that would connect oil resources in Alberta, Canada, to refineries on the Texas coast. The 1,700-mile long Keystone XL, as it's called, would help our friendly northern neighbor expand development in one of the largest, but dirtiest, sources of oil on the planet. It's bound up in hardened formations called tar sands, and it's not easy to extract.

The State Department has issued an environmental review giving the transnational Keystone pipeline a green light. Some state governors and high-profile climate scientists say building the pipeline would be a mistake.

The Obama administration says it will decide by the end of the year whether to approve this pipeline. And environmental groups are making that decision a test of the administration's resolve to move away from fossil fuels and toward cleaner sources of energy.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:14 PM
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54. O. to decide "by end of year" means Big Oil donates big through the election!
He's so good at keeping hope alive until he's made every last buck out of the corporations.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:31 PM
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60. Also,
he gets to avoid making this unpopular decision--to allow this pipeline--until after the election.

I call this a lie by omission...yet another reason Mr. Obama is losing my respect.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:29 AM
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79. No, he doesn't--the elections are not until NEXT YEAR.
He will be making this decision by the end of this year...
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:17 AM
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85. k
I stand corrected, if indeed he does 'make a decision' by the end of this year. Actually, I suspect this will be like the patronizing 'we must eat our peas' moment, and I still have very little respect left for this administration.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:30 AM
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80. The election will still be eleven months away, in 11/12 nt
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:28 PM
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59. Still
There is a measurable cost to taxpayers, either directly (if any of those arrested pay fines), or indirectly (as taxpayer dollars are used to finance whatever actions fines don't cover).

What are the protests netting from the White House?

****crickets*****?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:38 AM
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81. Well, I don't think there's too much cost added; the Park Police have to work anyway
and if the people are fined/pay court costs, then it's all pretty much a wash.

The White House hasn't made a decision yet, per the article. I do understand that the point of the protests is to influence the White House, and perhaps raise public awareness, and that's fine.

I do think, though, if this group feels strongly about this issue, they should triangulate their efforts and ALSO exert pressure on the states where this pipeline will be built. Since there are several possible routes, that might take a little organization/planning, but I do think that if Obama is told by a ton of governors that this is a NIMBY effort, he may give it the thumbs-down.

Who wants a gaggle of governors pissed off at you with an election year coming up?
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:15 AM
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84. Okay...
The people who might be fined ARE taxpayers, hence the direct cost. And, yes, the Capital Police 'have to work anyway,' but I'd bet taxpayers would prefer to pay those police officers to deter the types of 'criminals' who represent a real threat to others.

As far as additional protests: we (living now in exponential times) are witnessing the inception of a burgeoning social movement. This one event will inevitably dovetail into the October 6 Freedom Plaza event (hope you'll be there). Who knows where our activism will grow as we work to stop the Corporate Megalomaniacs who've usurped our media, our government, and our global economy.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 12:38 AM
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86. I think you are failing to grasp the purpose of the protest, though
If the protesters protested, and no one got arrested, the media would not cover it and the group would not get any publicity. The idea behind 'civil disobedience' is to disobey, to make a stink, to cause trouble, to garner notice.

There are people who have been protesting for years, permanently. They're homeless and a bit odd, some of them. The Park Police ignore them, pretty much. They only give the Three Warnings to large groups that are difficult to manage in terms of security. In the case of the WH, it really is a security issue--it is not all that large an area relative to the density of the population, and when you add in a load of commotion and milling about, well, if someone wanted to do some evil, that's pretty decent cover to try.

I'll be in FL in Oct; and maybe TX, depending on circumstances. I used to do that kind of thing when I was young, but not in recent decades. I don't particularly care for those Mixed Message protests they've had in the past few years, where there's one cause you can get behind and a bunch of others you want no part of--so I don't lend my marching feet to those kinds of things.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 11:24 PM
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11. So why were they arrested?
Since when is it illegal to protest in this country?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 11:29 PM
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12. Since the misnamed Patriot Act. nt
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:49 PM
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50. goes back further than that, IMO...
if you have to get a permit to assemble, which you have had to do for years, it is no longer a right.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 09:28 PM
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72. Excellent point -- and now there are those "free speech zones" at political convention
sites which look more like cages for criminals -- !!

Why are we allowing this -- ???

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 12:04 AM
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14. LET FREEDOM RING!
:silly:
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Jim_Shorts Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 12:37 AM
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17. Thats a really good question
It seems they are citing a federal regulation against actions that cause a threat to public safety, obstruct traffic, and potentially prevent emergency responders from carrying out their work.

But I think it's actually more like Judge Dredd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itmNiTwHOsM
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freedom fighter jh Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 07:02 AM
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31. They are choosing to be arrested.
Technically I think the charge is failure to obey a police officer, or something like that.

The organizers make sure all the protestors know the drill. The group lines up in front of the White House fence and they sit down. Three times the police ask them to leave. Those who do not choose to be arrested leave after the second warning.

Watching the scene play out left me with the feeling that the police were trapped into playing the protestors' game.

Everything was orderly and civil. From what I could see from across the street, the police were about as polite as they could be under the circumstances and the protestors were pretty cheerful about being arrested.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 10:05 AM
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34. Similar thong was done during later anti-War rallies during Bush administration.
People crossed a barrier and then were arrested one by one
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 07:08 PM
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68. "thing"
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:51 AM
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83. Yep. The charge was, technically, demonstrating without a permit.
Of course, you can't get a permit for protesting on that sidewalk anyway.

There were about 400 people arrested in one day in an anti-war protest in Sept 2005. I was one of them. It was on the Monday after a huge Saturday march.

Similar to this situation, the protesters knew what was going to happen - the organizers made sure everyone was aware that the 'point of no return' would happen and each person had to make a conscious choice to be on one side of the barrier or the other when that time came.
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Jim_Shorts Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 11:09 AM
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36. Your right, "the police were trapped into playing the protestors GAME"
Please excuse me while I go gag.

Good job at not having any sense at all of world around you.
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freedom fighter jh Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:26 PM
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64. Please explain
What are you talking about?

BTW, here's a suggestion: Invest in a dictionary.
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Jim_Shorts Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 07:37 PM
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69. The protesters are not playing a "game"
They are trying to send a message to an increasingly deaf president about a very important issue.

We still have the right to protest in this country the last I checked but that right is slowly being taken away, so the last thing that would cross my mind, watching my fellow citizens going to jail, would be feeling sorry for the cops.

BTW, When I was using the word "protestors" I was quoting you.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 02:54 PM
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47. So why don't the police just leave them alone?
:shrug:
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #31
51. "failure to obey a police officer"...
are we all sheep that must obey authority?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:15 PM
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55. The point isn't really to arrest them on any charges that will stick.
The points are 1) to get them off the streets and out
of view as quickly as possible and 2) be a pain-in-the-
ass to the protesters in the hopes of discouraging them
and discouraging future protesters.

This is Standard Operating Procedure when the government
is facing protests.

This would stop if enough people sued the police for
false arrest, but that's unlikely to happen.

Tesha
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:48 AM
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82. I think it is the "public v. federal property" thing at play, but I am not positive.
The protesters get three warnings and then are arrested.

It's not a bad thing, though, because if there were no arrests (of many famous people, too, including celebrities and environmentalists) there would be no publicity. The whole idea of "civil disobedience" is to do some 'disobeying.' It's the disobeying that gets the news people there, to cover the arrests.

These folks have some of the background: http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2011/08/21/us-park-police-seek-to-intimidate-oil-pipeline-protesters/
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 12:15 AM
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15. Arresting the citizens whilst the GOPBaggers continue to Rape and Pillage America.
...typical.

This country has some screwed up priorities.
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 12:35 AM
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16. Teabaggers are never arrested.
Notice that?
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:31 AM
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27. by who? tinfoil hat.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:52 PM
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56. No. They bring guns and racist signs and it's all cool.
It's upside down. Really.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:35 PM
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61. Yeah...
I'd like to see what would happen if one of THESE protesters carried an assault rifle to this protest! I'm guessing that would be all over FOX, and not in a good way.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 12:58 AM
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19. Keep it going protestors!
This MUST stay in the news! :yourock:
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 02:46 AM
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21. K&R n/t
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 02:50 AM
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22. Changealicious
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:32 AM
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28. HOPE..... in action
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LostinNY Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:07 AM
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23. Why does Canada back this? N/T
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:22 AM
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24. Harper /nt
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:30 AM
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25. Hilarious! The lying sack of shit WH gets their karma.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:30 AM
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26. It's a shame the corporate media is ignoring it.
Maybe we could pay 5 teabaggers to show up.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:04 AM
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29. K&R!!!
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 06:06 AM by RKP5637
:yourock:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 07:55 AM
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32. recommend
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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 08:48 AM
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33. Corporate owned propaganda
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 08:49 AM by JJW
They gave us 24/7/365 coverage of the Quitter/Grifter from Alaska. And notta, zilch, big pie whole, on this unneeded, costly, and world ending project. Tar sands, ethanol, and frac'ing natural gas, are like putting global warming on steroids. All for short term profits of criminals on Wall St.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 10:26 AM
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35. this is very serious
we can't drink oil. We're talking about one of the largest fresh water aquifers and the mississippi. We have these teabagging, libertarian arseholes yelling deregulation and greedheads who could give a shite if we had another major oil spill--the only thing they would care about is if they had to pay for the clean up. Most could care less who or what they are contaminating. Again, look what they've done in Nigeria. They don't care who they harm or if they contaminate a major water source. I think, to them, it would be a major opportunity to start selling the plebes water for more profit.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:36 PM
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62. Well...
you see how much coverage the renewed oil seepage in the Gulf is garnering from FOX and friends...
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 11:45 AM
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37. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Hissyspit.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 11:52 AM
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38. Wow, Washington DC must have really low crime rates if this is best use of their
police force.

Any other case those cops could be working on would benefit the public less than this case; right? No new missing children, no new murders, no new arson cases, no new rapes, no new burglaries, nothing but peaceful protesters.

Of course I am mocking our government's priorities.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #38
74. Remember Clinton's time in White House when just about anyone could get to WH with a gun?
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 09:34 PM by defendandprotect
And shoot into the White House --

or the time when the pilot flew his private plane almost into Clitnon's

bedroom? Of course, it's the most heavily protected air space in the world,

but seems when someone wants a plane to get thru to Pentagon or White House

it can be done!!



:evilgrin:


:hi:

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BetsysGhost Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 12:03 PM
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39. Seriously? goes way further than the headline
if they are willing to arrest 1000 people in front of the White House, the symbol for freedom, liberty, justice and all those other beautiful things that used to be America...
do you really believe anyone can make a difference ANYMORE?

The robber barons and the torture enablers, the powers that cover up the most heinous of crimes - murder on a massive scale,
have completely and totally taken your lives from you and your childrens lives as well.

1000 peaceful people who want to be heard. I CAN HEAR YOU!




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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:53 PM
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53. "do you really believe anyone can make a difference ANYMORE?"
no, I stopped believing that not long ago. Welcome to DU :hi:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 09:48 PM
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75. Sadly ... may have to agree with you ... however ....
I think it depends upon what the public actually knows about what's going on --

Global Warming, for instance --

If they understood that these droughts/floods will be increasing and even more severe

and the truth about Global Warming I think we'd get somewhere instantly --

that's why the RW has invested so much $$ in denying Global Warming.


Because we had a gap in feeling the effects of Global Warming -- though the glaciers began

melting in 1940's -- we are only now beginning to feel the effects of Global Warming from

about 1960 onward. Imagine all we did after that time.


Glacier melting -- ice blocks the size of Rhode Island and Manhattan are falling -- are

shifting the ice/water pressure on the tectonic plates which will bring increasing earthquakes

and increasing severity of earthquakes.


Earthquakes in turn generate new volcanic activity.


The government in Fukushima had wanted to shut down the nuclear plants there based on

Japanese scientists warnings of increasing seismic activity -- and because the plants were

only built to withstand less severe earthquakes -- 7, I think. Unfortunately this wasn't

done -- W Bush had sent a team to Fukushima to stop the government/people's actions.

Imagine how much better off the world would have been had the Japanese been able to follow

through.


So it's urgent to keep on trying to effect these outcomes -- imo, to get our own 103/106

nuclear power plants here shut down. Evidently it takes something like 6 months to propeerly

shut down these individual reactors and not sure if that includes WASTE disposal?

This could, perhaps, make the difference between "a whimper or a bang" -- !!



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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 12:52 PM
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40. R&K
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 02:13 PM
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43. If I was on the east coast, I
would be there. I am so opposed to this disaster waiting to happen. After Obama's ozone reconsideration nonsense speak yesterday though, I'm not hopeful.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 02:32 PM
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44. Thank goodness! Now those are what I call truly patriotic people!
Not the piece of shit Repukes who falsely Bible bang, and cheat the poor to give to the rich. Those are merely thugs, and are patriotic only in name.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 02:37 PM
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45. We arrested a thousand people
for a peaceful protest

this is absolute absurdity
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:51 PM
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52. they're lucky
if a person protests the oil/gas industries using disruptive techniques, they can be sent to prison for years

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x616598
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 02:50 PM
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46. I feel bad that I didn't make it there but at least I donated /nt
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:01 PM
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48. 2nd such front page story, this issue needs to be publicized widely n/t
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 03:47 PM
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49. ...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; OR THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The first amendment has been dead a long time. When you have to ask permission to assemble, it is no longer a right but a privilege.
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:24 PM
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57. To that end, it's not a Congressional issue.
At least, I imagine it's probably municipal ordinances that determines the legalities of protesting.

Their RIGHT to protest has not been prohibited.

That said, I do think pushing the envelope to get themselves arrested should bring a lot more attention to the cause.

Hello, big media??

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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:38 PM
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65. It absolutely is when you consider that DC's government is the sole responsibility of Congress.
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 08:27 PM
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71. It is?
Well, I didn't know that. Carry on.

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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:23 AM
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78. DC's "self-government" exists at the pleasure of congress and can be overridden and/or dissolved
with a simple vote.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 05:26 PM
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58. Well, I hope to join the steady stream sometime in Oct
Just a birthday present to liberty, as I see it.

Kick the movement until we blow the DC budget. They won't be able to keep enough officers of the peace to keep the steady numbers of Americans who are responding to this call.

KICK THE MOVEMENT!
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libmom74 Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:13 PM
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63. Another segment of the Democratic base
finds a spot under the bus.
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sfpcjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:45 PM
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66. I just watched 2 hours of CNN with the Wolfman and they did not even mention this.
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 06:51 PM by sfpcjock
Now I want those two hours of my life back. Very disappointed.

I know why, though: Exxon keeps millions dollars of Exxon and other big oil advertising on CNN constantly talking about how "clean" their fracking is going to be. The implied threat from Big Oil is that they will pull these constant gratuitous ads from CNN and all the other TV news networks.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:57 PM
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67. SoS Hillary approves of the pipeline. President Obama has not come to a decision yet.
Edited on Sat Sep-03-11 06:59 PM by ClarkUSA
Those are the facts.
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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 09:55 PM
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76. Who is Hillary's boss?
Yup, it's a done deal.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 01:04 AM
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87. If Obama governed like that, maybe.
Of course, part of what infuriates the fuck out of people is that Obama doesn't work that way.

As much as Clinton was the first "black" president, Obama is the first "female" president. Clinton was "black" because he always wanted an ethnic minority view on his decisions, Obama is "female" because he doesn't just want majority+minority, he wants a discussion among all parties reaching towards consensus.

This pisses off pro-patriarchy democrats, who want a leader to be "strong", "not cave", and otherwise operate in a patriarchal model. Obama is not a silverback, an alpha, a patriarch.
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 10:50 PM
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77. So you'd of course agree that the time to protest it is now.
Protests have two aims: influence actions and express disapproval.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 09:32 PM
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73. These folks are PPs. Pure Patriots!
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