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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 08:26 PM
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CIA shifts focus to killing targets
Source: The Washington Post

Behind a nondescript door at CIA headquarters, the agency has assembled a new counterterrorism unit whose job is to find al-Qaeda targets in Yemen. A corresponding commotion has been underway in the Arabian Peninsula, where construction workers have been laying out a secret new runway for CIA drones.

When the missiles start falling, it will mark another expansion of the paramilitary mission of the CIA.

In the decade since the Sept. 11, 2011, attacks, the agency has undergone a fundamental transformation. Although the CIA continues to gather intelligence and furnish analysis on a vast array of subjects, its focus and resources are increasingly centered on the cold counterterrorism objective of finding targets to capture or kill.

The shift has been gradual enough that its magnitude can be difficult to grasp. Drone strikes that once seemed impossibly futuristic are now so routine that they rarely attract public attention unless a high-ranking al-Qaeda figure is killed.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-shifts-focus-to-killing-targets/2011/08/30/gIQA7MZGvJ_singlePage.html
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 08:29 PM
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1. Ah, good... Obama's CIA kicking illegal killings into high gear
great. :sarcasm:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:30 AM
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17. But at least he is not water boarding them
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 04:43 PM
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20. I hear the recovery rate from waterboarding is higher than the recovery rate from assassination.
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 04:46 PM by No Elephants
Of course, the CIA could torture someone and then kill him or her. It's been done.

Or, we could kill people, then drown them--respectfully, of course. I hear that's been done, too.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 08:33 PM
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2. I remember back in the day when the Soviets used to murder foriegn nationals
and the US would howl in protest and point and wag it's finger and say, "Look at those horrible Soviets, what kind of depraved savage would do things like that"!

Today, when we do it, we cheer it.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 04:44 PM
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21. Are we even sure this program will be limited to foreign nationals?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 08:35 PM
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3. Lyndon Johnson used the phrase Murder Incorporated for the CIA
Nothing new, but people used to be scandalized by this.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 04:47 PM
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22. Used to be?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 08:50 PM
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4. At least they quit doing extraordinary renditions
we think
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 09:30 PM
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7. Then who are the prisoners sitting in that bunker in Mogadishu?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 04:51 AM
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12. The CIA wouldn't lie to us
:evilgrin:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 09:33 PM
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9. No they didn't.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 04:51 PM
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23. Untrue. In 2009, Obama announced renditions would continue, but
we would now tell the nation to which we sent someone to be interrogated not to torture them. *wink, wink*

Of course, torture is about the only reason we would have to send someone to, say, Syria, to be interrogated instead of interrogated them ourselves.

In any event, that's his story and he's sticking to it.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 09:11 PM
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5. K&R
''What sort of moral compass allows us to condemn actions by one administration only
to be silent (complicit?) when our own candidate commits them?''
~Norman Mathews


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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 09:18 PM
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6. How peachy!
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 09:33 PM
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8. Great, more CIA killing squads.
:puke:
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zogofzorkon Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 09:36 PM
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10. Fifty Fuggin Years it don't change
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marasinghe Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 09:38 PM
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11. this quaint turn of phrase caught my attention -
".... Drone strikes that once seemed impossibly futuristic are now so routine that they rarely attract public attention ....".

indeed; i guess even collateral deaths of civilians don't get the attention of the US public at large, any more. says it all about the new mindset of the US in general: see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil; long as it's our guys doing the evil.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 04:55 PM
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24. Four wars don't get our attention anymore. Why the hell would a drone?
How would we even know a drone had been sent unless our establishment media told us? And how would they know unless the administration told them?

But, generally, media bothers us with news about the war as seldom as it can. It would only distract us from Lindsay Lohan.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:06 AM
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13. No need for a grassy knoll.
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Volaris Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:04 AM
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14. Isn't there a standing Executive Order banning the use of Assassination
by American forces as a political tool/Weapon of War?
Or did Jr. overturn that, too? He destroyed so much, its hard to remember sometimes what is his and what is not....
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:17 AM
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15. There are definitely laws against murder ...
... but the administration doesn't give a fuck about them either.

Regardless of that, there is no way that this particular piece
of shit can be blamed on Bush - this is ALL Obama's policy ...

"Change" eh?

:puke:
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 02:13 PM
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19. Many legal experts make a distinction between assassination and "targeted killing.".
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 02:13 PM by hack89
It may be a meaningless distinction but it is not as clear cut as many would like it to be.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 04:59 PM
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26. Yes, it is clear cut, despite Yoo and Bybee type equivocation.
" as many would like it to be."


:eyes:
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 07:13 AM
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30. Like I said - " as many would like it to be." nt
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 04:56 PM
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25. Please tell me you are not blaming this on Bush.
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 05:05 PM
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28. Of course we are - Obama MUST follow Bush orders - shit, he's
probably following Cheney's orders, too - and Vice Presidents, present and former, have no command authority.

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:19 AM
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16. uh...when has that ever NOT been their focus??
despite their 'official' stances of the past?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 09:54 AM
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18. The headline reads like it was from The Onion.
"We are now shifting from killing innocent civilians who attend weddings to killing actual taiban fighters".

My head hurts.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 05:03 PM
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27. I've had maybe one or two drinks every couple of years. I've been thinking about taking
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 05:05 PM by No Elephants
up drinking, though. An Amaretto or two on the rocks might be about my speed.

On the other hand, seems like a bad time to take on an additional expense.
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marasinghe Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 05:33 PM
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29. i hear ya. graduated myself from zero - to a bottle of wine on weekends; did not help.
i figure - short of getting stone drunk - nothing gets this shit out of mind.
well .... perhaps if weed makes legal in NY one of these days, might help ....
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