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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:30 PM
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President Obama Agrees to Address Congress on Sept. 8 (instead of Sept. 7)
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 08:40 PM by Tx4obama
Source: National Journal

President Obama agreed to address a joint session of Congress next Thursday, at the invitation of House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, the White House announced late Wednesday.

Read more: http://nationaljournal.com/obama-agrees-to-address-congress-on-sept-8-20110831?page=1
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:32 PM
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1. Makes Me PUKE


:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: When does he take off kid gloves and fight...never I guess.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:52 AM
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96. Probably the day he puts an R next to his name
instead of the D. I'm disgusted.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:33 PM
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2. Headline at MSNBC.com
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
BREAKING NEWS: Obama agrees to Boehner wishes, will address Congress joint session Sept. 8


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:35 PM
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:36 PM
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4. Here's one...
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:39 PM
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5. Thanks. I updated the OP. n/t
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:42 PM
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6. wow...caved in record time
lame.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:34 PM
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59. let's just stop having elections and let the Republicans run everything
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:38 PM
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60. IOW, no change whatever?
Oh, you meant not even rigged elections? Nah, I enjoy standing on line with my neighbors to fill out a ballot.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 11:42 AM
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106. or... What if the GOP held a debate and nobody watched?
The GOP candidates are all so very crazy these days that no one will want to watch them. Even Huntsman has beefed up his Stomp on the Poor credentials lately.

The Republican candidates are so very crazy now that maybe the only people watching will be satire writers.

The GOP could have covered up that sorry situation by blaming our president for taking away their audience.

Now-- they've got nothing.

Except-- hey, look at Lord Orange disrespecting The President of the United States.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:42 PM
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7. I knew he would cave in. n/t
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:45 PM
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8. It would have been a great morale booster to progressives if Obama had said that he is invoking
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 09:03 PM by totodeinhere
Article II, section 3 and if Boehner doesn't like it he can shove it. But it looks like that won't happen. Too bad.
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garthranzz Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:30 PM
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35. Article II, Section 3 has a restriction
"He may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses..."

A speech about jobs probably doesn't qualify as an "extraordinary occasion." (Yeah, I know, but constitutional lawyers aren't interested in that reading.) Drawing that line becomes a distraction. It doesn't help Obama, his jobs program, the Democratic Party or the country (hmm, the last two are almost, or should be, redundant) to get into a pissing match with Boehner. Let the Speaker wet himself.

Then there's this from Talking Points Memo: WH To TPM: Boehner Was Consulted Before Date Of Jobs Speech Was Announced
Contradicting reports coming from Boehner aides, the White House confirms to TPM that Speaker Boehner was consulted before the date and time of President Obama's job speech were announced.


And this: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/childish-dems-gop-snipe-publicly-over-presidents-job-speech.php

And this: Breaking News on Countdown: TPM's @BrianBeutler says Speaker's office just didn't notice what was scheduled for next Weds when WH gave date

IOW: Obama is trying to act like an adult, Boehner is a spoiled crybaby and Reid and Pelosi can't figure which channel to surf. And behind Boehner are the hoods and gangs.

Anybody remember "To Sir With Love"? There was another movie at the time, where the teen delinquents were pretty much terrorizing the school.

A final point: Obama's audience isn't Congress. It's the American people, and particularly the middle group that can a) pressure Congress enough to get a bill passed and b) be active enough to swing an election.

If Obama's smart, he'll time the speech so as not to interfere with the NFL game, but rather use it as a lead-in to the game.

Oy!
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:44 PM
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45. They won't let him do anything.
And it's not as though he'll offer a really meaningful program... unless he actually does listen to his new labor economist.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:46 PM
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46. you are right and a lot of whiny left blames obama for their own failure to challenge RW radio
boner had no choice but to bend over for limbaugh and the only reason limbaugh and spawn have so much power is because the left has no clue that RW radio kicks LW internet ass and has been for 20 years, and has NO organized opposition to it. pitiful. and the biggest political blunder in history.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:54 PM
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67. Obama follows law, screaming results from the peanut galleries about betrayal.
I can't believe there's even a thread for this.
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Eykis Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 11:28 AM
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105. To Sir With Love.....
Garth,

I'm old enough to remember that movie very well. In the end, Sir (played by Portier) won the hooligans over....it is amazing that some 40+ years later the people in US America* have allowed such hate, bigotry and racism to raise its ugly head to the heights it has - for some reason, the Rethuggery Obstructionist Team of Teabagging Fascists and Fewls do not understand that we VOTED for Obama by a good majority to become POTUS - this is simply amazing to me that after 2-1/2 years they act like he was somehow "appointed" to the office through affirmative action and is undeserving of the respect the Office of the President of the United States of America demands and commands throughout the World.

We must stop all this idiocy and the only way to do that is to GET RID OF THE RETHUGS/OBSTRUCTIONISTS through our votes.


People would be hard-pressed to find someone more progressive and left that I am and the thought of NOT voting is abhorrent. One VOTE is all every American has and if people do not get out and vote then we will lose the Middle Class in the next decade.


The Rethugs care nothing about American Working People and the sooner people get off their duffs and get out working for CHANGE, we can cause CHANGE.


Simply getting Obama elected was obviously not enough. Call the Congress, call the Governors, call every elected representative you have and tell them you want the government to do its job for the GENERAL WELFARE of WE THE PEOPLE.


Call the MEDIA and tell them they will be boycotted if they DO NOT START CALLING OUT THE RETHUGGERY LIES.

*/snark intentional/
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:46 PM
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9. I think....
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 08:51 PM by unkachuck
....the White House should consider scheduling everything through the Speakers' office....this way Obama won't inadvertently piss-off his boss....
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:49 PM
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12. The blame lies at the feet of the GOP

The House has to vote to pass a resolution in order to hold the joint session.
If ya can't get The House to vote yes on the resolution, then there'd be no way for Obama to have access to the room for the speech.



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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:47 PM
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11. Embarrassing
This was totally botched. Someone really sucks at their job.
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:51 PM
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14. What the hell is going on at the White House?
Obama used to be on-message all the time. Now it's just amateur hour. And I say this as a supporter!
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:51 PM
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13. Not surprised really that he was reasonable, some people might well do to learn
how to do that as well.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:54 PM
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15. +1 n/t
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:59 PM
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18. Inept is more like it
Going up against the GOP debate was a bad idea to begin with; too easy to charge him with playing politics. Plus, he elevated something that would have been largely ignored otherwise.

Then it turns out he doesn't have buy-in from the House.

Then he winds up opposite the NFL.

He should have just pushed it back a week.

Total fucking ineptitude.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:15 PM
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27. And fighting over this would have won the american people what exactly?
Being reasonable and able to compromise is what a real leader (Obama in this case) does, behaving like a child for the smallest thing (like Newt for example) isnt.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:52 PM
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49. and what was he supposed to do? with the cowards on the left who give limbaugh a free speech free ri
ride to take potshots 24/7 at the same reps whose backs they promised to get because it hurts their little heads to listen to it?

boner is the coward for bending over for limbaugh. a jobs speech is not an emergency.

the lazy whiny left bends over for limbaugh again, just like boner.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:58 PM
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50. "whiny left???"
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 09:59 PM by mvd
That's not exactly going to get people over to your side. This is only a part of too many times it has happened with the President. Boehner can be disrespectful all he wants with no rebuke.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:01 PM
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52. And BTW
No way do I look the other way where Limbaugh is concerned!
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:09 PM
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55. everything liberals want is harder because they ignore talk radio and
i see a hell of a lot of analysis and complaining as if talk radio was just a minor inconvenient aspect of free speech instead of teh right's best weapon, home of the teabaggers, and the main reason we're in this mess. and generally there's a lot of blaming of dems and obama and their compromising because of the collective left's total failure to put down the fucking ipod and get a headache listening to a fews minutes of RW talk radio once in a while to find out what the right is going to do next. anyone who heard limbaugh this morning would know there would be thousands of calls coming in to the GOP reps and boner to demand that they turn down obama's request. it would have been political suicide for boner and it is the same mechanism used to take us to the edge of default. could obama demand to go on the 7th?
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:23 PM
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57. That's not the basis of the problem.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:43 PM
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63. you think the last 20 years disaster was just a cyclical shift to the right?
the RW talk radio monopoly and the left's ignorance of it is exactly the problem.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:45 PM
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64. Yes, I do. I agree to disagree. One that we help let happen by moving..
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 10:47 PM by mvd
our party to the right. I'm not buying your argument, period.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:10 PM
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73. in every state giant RW radio stations dominate and wreak havok in all things political, they
are the same stations that broadcast university and pro sports and so are endorsed by them as they blast the only unchallenged form of coordinated repetition of corporate talking points in our media. there is no other medium that allows that kind of coordinated repetition, straight from the think tanks. it is nationally and locally coordinated. in wisconsin the local limbaugh stations (about 20 in that state, including the madison one that also does badger football) were almost as loud as the protestors in their excuses for walker. they made the recalls closer and kept their majority.

those 1000 coordinated stations are what makes many red states red. they move the center of the political spectrum nationally and locally. they have been weeding out thinking republicans for teabaggers, intimidating dems, keeping progressives down, electing blue dogs, deciding that saying the words "global warming" on the local weather show would get howls to producers and secretaries.

the tea party is pure talk radio- the kochs just gave them bus passes, and team limbaugh is why we just about defaulted.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:27 AM
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84. Well, that I agree with. Agree to disagree that ignoring..
them is the problem. I hope the President does have people who keep track.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:39 AM
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85. that's our job, we the people
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:09 AM
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90. We pretty much know what they say
What we need is an equal voice to counter it, but that's harder while the Party goes more right.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:23 AM
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92. there's no reason for universities to do sports on limbaugh stations without protest
by doing so they promote and endorse racism and global warming denial. it's absurd.

there is no reason for the left not to shame local sponsors of that same racism and hate and lying and attacks on the reps whose backs we pledged to watch.

many of those local sponsors of RW radio in blue areas are on those stations because their ad agencies put them there and all they need is some prodding and shame and they will start looking for alts- i've done it, seen it happen. most of those sponsors have never heard any complaints.

the dem party goes right because the left lets 1000 unchallenged radio stations decide what the center is- what is and what isn't acceptable. palin and bachman and perry are acceptable because they channel RW talk radio, because the left has no real time response to talk radio, and reacts after 100 million earholes a week have been pounded with the latest coordinated think tank talking points.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:45 AM
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94. I don't think we "let" them do anything
Edited on Thu Sep-01-11 01:48 AM by mvd
The big corporations just keep hiring them. They have lots of money, unfortunately. There is not much I could gain by listening to them and adding to their ratings. I would take note if I hear of a Limbaugh sponsor. Our message needs to be better and stronger. I'm going to bed but before I do, I'll say I just don't agree. Last words won't change our viewpoint.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 02:05 AM
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98. there is NO organized challenge to those 1000 corporate megaphones
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:55 PM
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69. Not cyclical. Planned.
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 10:56 PM by No Elephants
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:15 PM
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74. they can plan all they want, if all they have is money democracy would still have us going
forward. there has always been money in politics, but the political pressure to keep the GOP increasingly in lock step obstruction as dems tried to pass even moderate media and election and wall street reforms, weeding out moderates for teabaggers, starts at your local RW megastation.

and it is the biggest political blunder in history for the left to keep ignoring that fact.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:59 PM
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80. they're screaming from every corner and stump in the US that liberals are liars and traitors
and instead of getting in their faces you want to find some billionaire to do it for you?
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:02 AM
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81. reading comprehension isnt your strong suit-I SAID GET THE LEFTY MILLIONAIRES
TO BUY A NETWORK TO COUNTER ALL THE RW LIES! but if you want to mutter to yourself & believe you're arguing with me, go ahead
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:09 AM
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89. you'll be waiting a long time for a millionaire to pull up your bootstraps
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:16 PM
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30. +1
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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:57 PM
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16. Can't really blame Obama here.
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 09:02 PM by blueclown
He could have took the fight, but I think he thought it wasn't worth the time. And I think in that respect, it's typical President Obama. He doesn't want to step on any toes. But ultimately, the people to blame in this entire saga are the House GOP, who have shown their utter inability to bargain in good faith.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:03 PM
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21. Yes, you can and should blame Obama.........nt
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:16 PM
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29. You are right he "could"
however it appears the poster has decided to behave like an adult and decided not to as is their right as well.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:48 PM
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65. I agree that Obama should not have made a deal, but Obama has no problem stepping on toes.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:59 PM
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17. Seriously?
I thought they sked the 7th because this was the first day congress was back and guess what the most important pressing event is not the Pukes campaigns or debates. It's the economy. With congress first day back Obama could have laid out the ground work for what he wanted. I agree that the 8th is not optimum because of the NFL unless Obama moves it to like 7pm instead of 8 and Friday's are never a good day for joint sessions. Anyway we will see how this plays out, I guess.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:00 PM
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71. Boehner's letter said something about Congress having to be swept.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:02 PM
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20. Well, that Social Security thing is up for grabs, too.
I've grown used to this. No surprise anymore.
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humanityisfree Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:04 PM
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23. Just one more capitulation
sad really...
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:10 PM
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25. He caved....
*sigh*

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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:13 PM
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26. No big deal...
We've waiting for all the vacations to end. To me...what's the difference between 9/8 and 9/7. I'm just not sure what the big deal is. In fact, skip a speech with the congress as props. If the speech is that important, give it now. Stand in front of a podium or sit at a desk and give the speech. Playing politics with a jobs speech (White House & Boehner) is just...odd.

The country is willing and waiting to listen. So what if the Republican debate is September 7th? People are unemployed today. Sit next to a fireplace and give the speech. He can give twenty speeches between now and September 7th. I don't particularly want to see Congress right now. I think they're useless. It's the American people who need to hear from him.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:16 PM
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28. A touch of class
Imagine how dignified and Presidential he will look after the pathetic warm up act - Bachmann Perry Overdose.
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timefortherevolution Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:19 PM
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31. Beyond Pathetic. Beyond Sad. Can't stand to hear his voice anymore.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:21 PM
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32. "Thank you, sir! May I have another?"
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 09:21 PM by KamaAina
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:22 PM
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33. If you are going to step into the ring and take a swing...

...you need to know how to block with your other hand and follow-up with a knock out punch.

Oh well.

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 09:13 AM
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103. Or hit very hard your first time...
because you might not get a second.
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Veracious Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:22 PM
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34. President Obama reeling em in. Smart Move.
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 09:25 PM by Veracious
Come On The President knew the Republicans wouldnt want to work that day. Their first day back LOL they are still sobering up. Ohhh and we have a debate to watch and UggggHHhHhHhaaa I just got back from summer break, oh lord being in Congress is such hard work...

The President will get a weeks worth of Hype for this smart move. So next week when he wheels his plan out everyone will be watching!!
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:53 PM
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66. Agree. President Obama is the only grown up in the room.
Boehner will reap what he has sown as he looks smaller and smaller in stature and the President looks more and more like the one laughing at all of them. In 2012, the Republicans will go down to a resounding defeat.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:33 PM
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37. ...yet another Cleveland Steamer from Boehner to Obama...n/t
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:33 PM
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38. why not sept 9 when there isn't a football game
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:04 PM
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72. Doesn't Obama have to be in NYC first thing on September 11? Maybe he also
has other things scheduled? (Just speculating here.)
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:35 PM
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39. This is like caving in to Hillbilly Heroin user Limbaugh...
...as Mr. Excrement in Broadcasting today was demanding that Boner "put Obama in his place."

Disgusting.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:40 PM
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44. there is NO organized challenge to those 1000 corporate megaphones- it's the lefts's fault for
giving limbaugh and spawn a TOTAL free speech free ride to launder the corporate talking points 24/7

boner had no choice (as politicians go) an donbama can't force his way in, can he?
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:46 PM
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47. How is it "the left's fault...
...for giving limbaugh and spawn a TOTAL free speech free ride to launder the corporate talking points 24/7"?

WTF are you talking about?

What "left" are you referring to?

Please explain.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:59 PM
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51. your mother is a whore and your father is a thief-
that's what team limbaugh has been screaming from 1000 rqdio stations about liberals, progressives, socialists, americans, whatever you want to call it, for the last 20 years and NO one has gotten in their face in any significant organized way. now it's acceptable and RW talk radio still dominated media while the left looks the other way and blames obama.

fucking pitiful, there is no organized opposition to the right's best weapon - the biggest blunder in political history, considering the time lost on global warming.

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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:41 PM
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61. Actually, both my mother and father are dead...
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 10:45 PM by GReedDiamond
..., and yes, they are not "not quite dead yet," they are not "pining for the fjords," plus, they were not Python fans, but, leaving that aside, perhaps you do not realize that most people do not take Limbaugh seriously, because they know he's a degenerate drug addict, crackpot, racist, homophobic, phony-christian opportunist millionaire asshole fatcat who went from heavily-syndicated radio entertainer/joke, to the de-facto leader of the Repug party over the last 2 1/2 years.

How is that "the left's" fault?

The fact that his production company/syndicator gives the show away for free to many of over 600 stations (I don't think it's a thousand), especially in "Red States," has nothing to do with the "inability" of "the left" to stop Limbaugh from becoming a multi-hundreds-of-millions-of-dollars enriched, drug addicted propagandist, it is the way the radio industry operates, when owned and operated by right wing corporations and lobbied by Repug interests.

I think your criticism is misdirected, and I fart in your general direction.

Edited for clarity. Or not.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:26 PM
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77. the left is marching to coconuts
limbaugh may be much as you describe but that is irrelevant.

what is important is that he is the point man for those 1000 think tank-coordinated corporate megaphones and there is no medium that compares it the ability to distort, distract, swiftboat, and create on a national scale. the other main mediums, print and tv and internet, are much more diverse, competitive (still), and notable for what they ignore and leave out. talk radio can create a buzz mad avenue would die for. and there is no comprehensive written record to map its effect as the biggest PC cop and censor-by-threat and media manager in the country - so no one does, and the left's media and political analysts continue to analyze and criticize their own in a talk radio vacuum. in large part, uselessly.
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:03 AM
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82. OK, I get it, it is "the left's" fault...
...for the corporately-owned mass media right-wing domination of talk radio.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:05 AM
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88. yes it is. the right do what's natural, which is to monopolize. democracy is the fighting chance and
if we give them so much power through ignorance of RW radio that they can stop/obstruct all dem/progressive attempts at media reform and global warming action and health care reform and election reform then it is the left's fault. in good part because the left would rather plug in a scratched barry manilow CD from under the front seat than get a headache listening to the motherfucker who is reading the think tank talking points to destroy all and any american ideals.

every fucking day i hear the left's best people, who read and watch but don't listen, still talking as if the tea party is anything but a RW radio construct, as if it is not another manifestation of the same made to order corporate constituencies that have been plaguing american politics for two decades, and it is fucking ridiculous.




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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:19 AM
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91. The "Tea Party" is a corporately manufactured...
...real (to the couple dozen or two misguided Social Security recipients who actually show up at a TP Rally), figment of the Average American's willfully ignorant daily sleepwalk through their collectively doomed middle class existence.

The Tea Party will be gone after 2012.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:41 AM
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 02:03 AM
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97. "as long as the left ignores RW radio they will continue...
...as long as the left ignores RW radio they will continue to dominate US media and politcs"

OK, so, what do you suggest?

What is your activist plan of action to motivate the masses against RW radio?
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 08:10 AM
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102. demand universities find alt radio stations for sports, shame local advertisers in blue areas, picke
picket/protest RW stations where appropriately located (they lie, swiftboat progressives, get racist and anti union on just about any issue).

dem party needs to provide searchable transcript database of major national and local talkers so left is not taken by surprise and the rest of the media is shamed when they use the same material merely because it has already been pounded into the earholes of 50 mil a week.

RW radio stations are teabag/republican HQ and limbaugh is the head of the party and the left orgs need to recognize that fact and stop playing catch up and wasting volunteer time and money.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:17 PM
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75. dry up
who's whiney?
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:33 PM
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78. if the 'left' analyzes and evaluates and criticizes their reps while ignoring
the right's most important political and media weapon as it beats the crap out of their reps and ideals because it gives them headaches to listen to it and music is more fun then they do it from naivete and ignorance and it often sounds like whining to me.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:36 PM
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40. another case of blaming obama for their own ignorance and laziness
by giving limbaugh and spawn a free speech free ride limbaugh ensured that boner HAD to decline the 7th.

so tell me what the fuck is obama going to do to to get into congress the 7th?
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DreamSmoker Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:38 PM
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41. Repukes absolutely are in charge
it does absolutely look now that Obama caves on all issues the Repukes bring up both petty and large..
He is not the president he posed that he would be to get us all on board...
So in the next election.. We are left to choose the Shit Sandwich or the Dirty used tampon...
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:39 PM
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42. More "change" I can`t believe in.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:39 PM
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43. Apparently this was Ron Paul's idea!
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timefortherevolution Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:48 PM
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48. I'm beginning to think Obama is doing everything NOT to get re-elected.
Am I imagining this?

Its almost as though he's doing everything to look like a failure.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 07:26 AM
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101. If that's the case, I really wish he would do the LBJ thing and just step aside.
We could get John "Bowser" Bauman elected President against the table of incompetent freaks the GOP has running. Bowser's a big Dem and would probably do an excellent job, too.

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HDPaulG Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:03 PM
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53. I'll be watching the Packers...
Not the conceder-in chief. Especially when the Dem. "Super Committee" members are hinting that Social Security must be on the table. Aaron Rodgers, our MVP Super Bowl QB, did more to support the protesters in Madison than Obama orator-in-chief and the DNC.
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:55 PM
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70. Football fans may not be his targeted audience for this speech.
I'll be watching his speech.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:24 PM
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76. The speech will be BEFORE the game.

Excerpt:

A White House official says "We won't conflict with football," meaning an early time frame for the speech.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/31/obama-jobs-speech-congress-joint-session_n_944322.html

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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:06 PM
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54. i was all ready to give them props before i realized that's the night of the first NFL game..
who is making these decisions ffs?! green bay and new orleans! good luck competing with that for viewership.
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BOHICA12 Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:15 PM
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56. Clumsy and over reaching ......
...prime time hasn't worked so well, nothing more boring than the pomp and pomposity of a joint session - and unless he willing to swing for the fences it's just another speech.

Heads ought to roll among his political advisers for such an inept move.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:31 PM
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58. Smart in school....dumb on the bus....
:evilgrin: I am beginning to think he is delusional. "If I keep caving, they will like me".
BTW...where are all the "listers"...?
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:42 PM
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62. Why doesn't he just switch parties and make it official?
He's already been showing he's one of them.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:54 PM
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68. This is sickening. How desperate can Obama be?
Ridiculous!
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Phlem Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:18 AM
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83. What's fascinating is
there are 2 crowds here. One that thinks Obama is going to have one hell of a hail marry pass on the 8th completely obliterating this whole issue and making the conservatives look like fools and the other side who thinks Obama has just bent over cause he likes it.

The 8th will make for some good ratings and I for one am breaking out the popcorn!

:popcorn:

-p
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:51 AM
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95. Capitulating
is not winning him any friends. Anywhere. Congratulations, Mr. President--John Boehner is more powerful than the President of the United States.

Losing credibility much? More excuses why you're now looking as spineless as the rest of the Democrats?

I love my Democratic ideals--I have lost a LOT of patience with this passivity on the part of our congress people.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 02:42 AM
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99. When did "Yes, we can" get replaced by "They won't let us"
I've never seen a candidate, upon taking office, go to such lengths to become the absolute antithesis of his campaign slogan..
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 05:15 PM
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108. A President can NOT give a speech in the House Chamber unless
first The House passes a joint session resolution that allows The President to come to the chamber to give the speech.

Put the blame at the feet of The GOP where it belongs.

Facts are our friends ;)

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 05:37 PM
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110. isn't that the sad truth
and we are supposed to fall for the excuses...
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 07:19 AM
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100. This speech is a botch job already
The ineptness of the White House in even scheduling the speech is obvious and an embarrassment. Equally inept, in my view, is the fact that the White House announced weks earlier that there will be this great speech a month later, as in:

IMPORTANT WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCEMENT: THERE WILL BE AN IMPORTANT LONG-AWAITED ECONOMIC SPEECH IN A MONTHS TIME OUTLINING OUR ECONOMIC SOLUTIONS TO EVERYTHING SO IN THE MEANTIME TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES AND SPECULATE ABOUT OUTLANDISH AND/OR INADEQUATE MEASURES YOU THINK MIGHT BE IN THE SPEECH AND HOW BAD IT WILL BE. THANKS FOR PLAYING ALONG, SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER.

By my observation, the Obama White House manages to DELIVER the most incompetent and bizarre communications strategies of any recent White House. It's like they all skipped out of all the classes in Political Communications 101. Either that our the President is running his own communications shop, and doing so quite badly.

I hope this particular fiasco convinces him to straighten out this problem.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 10:26 AM
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104. Yes, that is it --
The ineptitude is what is so embarrassing and makes them look minor league. :( This speech scheduling move -- if it was a true swing at the GOPers and he caved, it makes him look spineless -- if it was truly unintential, then it makes him look inept and fumbling. Sigh. :(
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:28 PM
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107. I've already heard several MSM mentioning Boehner objecting
to Obama. I've heard others talking about how Boehner didn't object until after Obama announced the time and date. It is going to be easy to point to this as Boehner being a dick again. Sure it would have been nice to have Obama tell Weepy to go fuck himself, but I think Obama has given the Reps another opportunity to show the ugliness of their politics. People will put this on Boner as more evidence of his childish behavior.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 05:29 PM
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109. Every word I can think of to use to describe my feelings for Obama
is either insufficient, or would get me banned from DU.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 05:38 PM
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111. you and many others
There are no more words left...
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