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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:42 PM
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GOP chairman says if students want to vote, they should pay taxes
Source: BDN

AUGUSTA, Maine — Charlie Webster probably may have liked LeRoy Symm.

Symm, the registrar of voters in Waller County, Texas, had a special questionnaire he used for college students. It included questions like: Do you own property in the county? Where did you attend church? What are your job plans?

If Symm and his deputies knew a voter by name and face, they were simply registered. College students had to pass Symm’s test. The U.S. Supreme Court in 1979 said this violated the Constitution, thereby establishing the practice of allowing college students to list their dormitory as their residence for the purposes of voting.

Three decades later, the ruling has not deterred Webster, the Maine Republican Party chairman, who weeks ago brandished a list of more than 200 college students he said likely engaged in voter fraud.

Read more: http://bangordailynews.com/2011/08/31/politics/gop-chairman-says-if-students-want-to-vote-they-should-pay-taxes/



The "meaty" part of the article is at the link. This dipshit doesn't want college kids voting because they tend to vote for democrats, of course he doesn't out-right say it, but it's obvious.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:49 PM
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1. it is the 21st century and this shit is still going on. :/ nt
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 02:10 PM
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23. these questions are probably illgeal. rednecked asshole
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 05:48 PM
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58. They were, according to the Supreme Court in 1979.
No doubt these idiots will find other ways -- they always do!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:57 PM
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2. Desperate actions of a party bankrupt of any ideas on how to govern.
Maybe I'll put an acre up for sale - divide it into square feet and sell it for $.10/sf. Then college students can say they are property owners.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:01 PM
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6. That's what people did back in the early days
when property requirements for voting were still in force.
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:15 AM
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97. They don't want to govern. They want to keep others from governing.
That's pretty much it.

There's democracy, of course: government of the people, by the people, and for the people. And then there's what republicans want: un-democracy.

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 10:49 AM
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108. +1 nt
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:58 PM
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3. If Corporations want to be Citizens, let them pay taxes.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:50 PM
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17. +1
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southmost Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:19 PM
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40. perfect counterpoint
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Buenaventura Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 05:44 PM
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57. and have colonoscopies n/t
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:33 AM
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98. +1
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #57
109. with earth moving augers.
Thats what's needed to get through the shit.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 10:55 AM
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110. +2 ... a good laugh line for Bill Maher. nt
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 12:58 PM
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4. Some people claim there is no difference between Dems and
Repubs.

If that were true, why would the Repubs spend so much time and money on keeping students and poor people from voting?
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:03 PM
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8. Because no matter how bad the Dems get, the Repugs will always be far worse.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 02:15 PM
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24. That very much depends on the Dem in question.
Was Rick Perry a lot different from birth to 1989 than he was from 1990 until now?
h
How about Spectre? Started as a Dem, switched to Pub to improve his election chances, then switched back to Dem at age 80 for the same reason. Did he change all that much either time he switched?

David Duke, joined the KKKlan in the 1967's and ran for public offices as a Democrat, right up until 1988. Then, he switched to Republican. In all his reincarnations, he was a grifter and a racist.

In general, overall, as a group, Democrats do tend to be better, I agree.

Individual results, however, may vary.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #24
60. Specter gave us the magic bullet theory along with Ford who moved the back wound to hide
The facts proving Oswald was not a lone nut!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 07:17 PM
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69. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #69
71. Thanks for towing the all conspiricy talk is nuts line! I suppose those 19 conspirators
who attacked us ten years ago that theory (since no one was ever brought to trial over that ) is just a nutcase theory also!

There are plenty of things to argue the truth was with held from us including the fact the secret documents in the JFK case were not allowed to be released until 2045! Must be something or someone they are hiding to protect the guilty! And yes he did come up with that THEORY! And Ford admitted to moving the Back wound up to the neck! Even with the Magic Bullet there was more damage done by bullets that day to explain only three shots which was refuted by the physical evidence found in the TSBD.








Watch JFK reaching for his throat (first hit was in his neck from front) then jump forward as he is hit in the back! Also watch the two SS Agents watching looking back obviously knowing their charge is under attack,sounds of gunfire, yet not doing anything until after the head shot! The agent on the car behind managed react to the gunshots and run from his ride and get on the car while the two in this car did not react to the sound of gunshots other to look back and wait for the head shot! So call me a nut all you want it does not change the evidence available that proves the lies they gave us back when they pulled a Coup d'état in 63! And I do remember that day I was alive back then! So if you believe Oswald acted alone go ahead and stick your head in the sand!
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deadinsider Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #71
96. JFK assassination research started my skeptical approach....
Empirical evidence in addition to the Zupruder film:

The 'Surge on the Grassy Knoll' where much of the crowd ran to after the limo exited the plaza.

The additional gun shot holes all over the place in the plaza (in the turf and sidewalk), as well as the limo.

Gov Connolly had so much lead left in him it could account for a 4th bullet.

*******

The JFK assassination is so obviously a coup it is really, really hard for me to understand how anyone would believe the Warren Commission Report.

And remember: the Warren Commission was only formed after the public demanded an investigation, mostly due to eye witness accounts of what actually happened that day.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 03:01 PM
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118. This is a better view of the Zapruder film not cropped so it shows the drivers reaction also has the
Edited on Thu Sep-01-11 03:05 PM by sce56
forward shove that shows him lunging forward after he has started to react to the first hit in the neck which was before he emerged from behind the roadside sign! I have never seen anyone pointing this out that is the proof he was hit three times!








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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #8
36. Another Race to the Bottom.
As long as the Republicans are WORSE,
then Its ALL GOOD!
:party:

"The Republicans are worse"
is just another excuse for BAD POLICY.


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:54 PM
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48. We would not be in this mess if the Democratic Party had remained true to itself.
And the Right would not be falling over the cliff in an effort to stay to the right of the "Liberals".
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 02:01 PM
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21. Because they think they are likely to vote Democratic. On the other hand,
the military is thought to be likely to vote Republican, and Republicans claim that Democrats tend to challenge military absentee ballots.

Whether the Republicans are lying or not, I don't know. Were their lips moving?
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 03:58 PM
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34. QFT!!!!
+100
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liberal from boston Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #4
113. Some people claim there is no diff betw Dems & Repus
Frances,

My thoughts exactly!!! I live in a college community with
college faculty as neighbors & this should be alarming to
all Americans.  What is being done on state level is to
systematically stop certain segments of the population from
voting, i.e., students, minorities, senior citizens (State
license Photo ID's), middle class, poor. Just look at
Wisconsin, Florida, NH, & it is spreading to other states.
 Our democracy is in peril & now we have to start fighting
back.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #4
119. The distinction that must be made here is that
Bluedogs and Dino's and Third wayers are the same as pugthugs. Democrats are not.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:00 PM
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5. Next they'll be giving out the ''literacy'' test again:
1. How old's the Arth?
A. billions of years old
B. tens of thousands of years
C. Five days older than Adam
D. Whatever Rush Limbaugh says

2. Who was George W. Bush besides our last real caucasian president?
A. a spoiled trust fund baby
B. the son of God
C. God hisself
D. Whoever he says he is

and so on.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:40 PM
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14. In order to register to vote, I took a literacy test
in Opelika, Alabama. I am ashamed to say that I knew few answers, but when I asked the white man giving me the test if I passed,he said, "You are white. You pass."

At that same time, a friend said her mother volunteered to help with literacy test exams in Tenn. This woman discovered that the testers put a little "w" for white at the top of each test of a white person. The papers with a "w" all passed without being graded.

Please be patient with me when I defend Obama and Dems, because as frustrating as they can be on some issues,I am positive that if Perry is elected President,there will be more and more obstacles to voting. There will be more and more attacks on unions and any other efforts working people take to make a better life for themselves.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 02:07 PM
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22. Perry will be worse, but we need to make Democrats better--they are attacking unions too
Obama's secretary of ed is one of those ''reformers'' who thinks firing every teacher in a school is a good thing--though it's mainly good for union-busting. A lot of the ''reforms'' in ed seem to match up nicely with standard practices of corporate America to keep workers powerless.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #5
47. I'm close to agreeing with a literacy test
not to vote, but maybe to get into college.

:hi:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 05:23 PM
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54. I teach college and give a trivia test the first day of class
International students do better on American history, geography, and politics than American kids do.

But it's not our kids faults--the curriculum was changed so that the correct answer is always A-E.
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ProgressoDem Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:02 PM
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7. Didn't we get rid of the property requirement years ago?
You Republican dumbfucks, they don't pay taxes because they don't make enough money. They still live in your fricken community.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:14 PM
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9. Symm
Poll taxes and questionaires like this are unconstitutional. But I suppose the constitution only applies to kicking poor people in the teeth and making sure everyone has a lot of friggin guns.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:14 PM
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10. Can't we all just JOIN THE 20th CENTURY?
The irony, it burns.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:22 PM
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11. Ah. So federal sales taxes aren't really taxes? College kids don't work summers
or work study programs?
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:25 PM
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12. Well, if you can't find a job, you can't pay taxes.
I guess that's next - unemployed? sorry you can't vote.
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:27 PM
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13. First, if they work, and many students do, they do pay taxes
If they ever buy stuff, they pay taxes.

More importantly, are we going to apply the same standard to, say, stay at home moms? What about retired people living on SS only? What about disabled folks?

Ir is this just for kids?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 02:26 PM
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26. Paying tax and owning property has nothing to do with residency or voting.
You can pay tax in a state you're only driving through and you can own investment property or vacation property in any state or country. So neither, in and of itself, establishes residency.

Most importantly, the 24th amendment abolish land ownership and taxes as requirements for voting.

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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #13
45. If they rent, they pay taxes; no self-respecting landlord is going to eat prop. taxes.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:46 PM
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15. Only landowners with net worths of 1 million+ should be able to vote.
And no women.

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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:47 PM
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16. wow...crooked, criminal and all that kinda stuff.
Dirt Bag.

Someone needs to seriously kick his ass and tell him, YOU ARE FIRED!
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:54 PM
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18. They pay taxes.
They pay taxes every time they buy something. They pay property taxes every time they make rent. Etc.

WTF are these republicans smoking?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:58 PM
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19. At least two of the three Symm questions were unconstitutional.
Where do you go to church?

You have to tell government about your religion in order to "earn" the right to vote?

Do you own property in the county?

See the 24th Amendment.

From the OP article:

“I get tired of talking about this because the law is clear,” Webster said this week. “If I want to vote, I need to establish residency. I need to register my car and pay taxes in that community. You can’t just become a student and vote wherever you want.”

See the 24th Amendment. Also, Harper v. Bd of Elections

Meanwhile, someone should tell students about absentee ballots.

Bottom line: Why do Republicans hate America this much?



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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:01 PM
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35. The 24th Amendment.
Here is the text:

Amendment 24 - Poll Tax Barred. Ratified 1/23/1964. History

1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec8

"or other tax" is essential here.

I suppose this guy is a Tea-Bagger who wants us to return to government by the Constitution.

Typically, he does not read the Constitution and has no idea what is in it. It's just a nice word to him. As with the Bible, these folks attribute any thought, any idea, any language they like to it just to legitimize their own foolish ideas.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 05:02 AM
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100. Why do Republicans hate America this much?
Because they hate themselves. A collection of ignorant, bigoted, greedy, immoral, self loathing scumbags not worth my valuable time. It's leadership has chosen to turn Americans against one another for cheap political gain. They've become expert at gaming the system for personal gain at the expense of the vast majority of Americans.
I choose to associate with normal people. Eric Cantor is anal leakage.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 01:59 PM
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20. I can understand the sentiment that the college kids don't care about local issues
I went to college in a small town and voted there. I can understand the people from the town having issues with the college kids messing with local elections, we outnumbered them. Perhaps some sort of compromise can be reached by splitting the local elctions from the state and national elections. I did not make selections in the local races because I didn't know the candidates.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:54 PM
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89. I went to college in a small town and voted there
and I did vote on the local issues. I did my research, the same as I do now when I vote, and knew as much or more than the non-college students about the local candidates and issues. The town was concerned about students voting the town "wet," but the dormitory jurisdictions were not significantly different with respect to alcohol sales than did the rest of the town - and my vote was to keep the town dry. I cared deeply about the town which was 1000 miles from where I grew up. I still do, and hope to move back there to retire in a few years.

If you only want to vote in the state and national elections, or are not confident you can do the research necessary to cast an informed vote in the local elections, then vote absentee from home - as my daughter does as a student in the same small college town in which I cast my first ballot. Even though she is choosing to vote at home, my daughter, followed my pattern of becoming involved in the town via participation in the town dance studio and volunteering in a local animal shelter.

There are a lot of reasons people might be short term residents in a community - college is only one. Duration of residence in a community, or presumed (lack of) interest in the community based on the reason someone is living there, is not an good reason to deny someone access to the ballot.

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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 02:24 PM
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25. They do pay taxes
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 02:25 PM by CatholicEdHead
someone mentioned payroll taxes, the school pays its property taxes partly with tuition money, students pay sales taxes all over town, gas taxes for their car, indirect property taxes if they rent a place off campus, etc... They should have the right to vote while away at school.

Edit:

The one tax they do not pay are income taxes, which is the usual GOP attack point. Of course in the next breath they use income taxes as a synonym for payroll taxes.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 02:55 PM
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27. Sounds fair, and likewise, only republicans should be fighting in the wars they started also /nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 03:22 PM
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28. These "people" don't believe in democracy.
It is pretty clear.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 03:41 PM
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29. Evil. Evil and stupid. Evil, stupid, and greedy.
I could go on like this all night.
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SleeplessinSoCal Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 03:43 PM
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30. Comments on the link are excellent. I've never unregistered when I've moved.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 03:44 PM
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31. Why doesn't he just come out and say
that he doesn't want to let anyone vote who will vote in opposition to his party?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 03:56 PM
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32. poll tax.... ironic, since republicans support spreading democracy
around the world by the barrel of a gun(which makes it not a democracy), and yet want to take americans ability to vote... how speshulll.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 03:57 PM
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33. The Republican Party should more appropriately be named
the Richlican Party or how about the Retrogradian Party or the Regressian Party.

The Republicans only represent the Rich, the backward-looking Retrogrades and the advocates of Regression at this time.

I don't see how moderate, rational people can call themselves Republicans.
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:05 PM
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37. Same with Corporations that flood PACs
That would pretty much eliminate Exxon and a host of other free-riders.
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Smilo Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:05 PM
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38. Fear
that's what this is about. Fear that the Dems and Independents may say enough you right wing arses - we are not letting you back into power. You screwed with this country one time too many.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:12 PM
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39. When I was a student (late 60s, early 70s),
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 04:13 PM by bvar22
I paid Federal & State Taxes on my income from a part time job,
and ALL the local Sales Taxes on everything I bought including gasoline,
in addition to all the Payroll Taxes.
I also paid RENT when living Off Campus,
a part of which went to property taxes,
at least THAT is what the landlord said every time he raised my rent.

I don't know WTF this asshole is talking about.

BTW: Did you know that in the late 60s,
it was possible to attend the State University
and graduate DEBT FREE
if one was willing to work Part Time?
You could even afford to own and drive a beater.

That would be possible again
IF we had a Political party that represented the Working Class.

Attending College and graduating Debt Free
is Taken for Granted in civilized countries.


Solidarity!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:19 PM
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41. Poll tax!
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w0nderer Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 05:02 PM
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50. just sell votes
buy as many as you want at a 1000 dollars each
buy more than 1000 votes and get 10% off
buy more than 5000 votes and get 20% off
buy more than 100 000 votes and get 80% off
mail in rebate only, full price must be paid at counter, subject to verification of all conditions*


*buyer must be tea party or republican party affiliated with provable history of hammering the working class

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need i add it? :sarcasm:
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W T F Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:26 PM
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42. Ohhhhh You mean just like Exxon Mobil?
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:28 PM
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43. This kind of RW punking has been going on for decades...
The GOPers in Austin did organized challenges of student voters in the early 70s, trying to disrupt and intimidate college voters. What it takes, folks, are election judges with balls, not some whiny hand-wringing about another law to stop bullying.

In those Austin elections, the Democratic organizations had the muscle to stop this effort in its tracks; in fact, we had press released out within the hour to all the popular radio stations, and we noted a high voter turnout when students heard of the effort in the form of "bulletins."

Old shit. Over and over. Bullies always looking for easy meat.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:28 PM
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44. Who died and made that motherfuker God?
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 04:35 PM by Hubert Flottz
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:34 PM
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46. It sounds like 200 students have the basis for a class action law suit
If the Republican Party made a public statement accusing these people of voter fraud when in fact they were legal voters this seems to me to be a clear cut case of libel, I hope there is a big law suit coming the GOP's way.
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w0nderer Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:59 PM
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49. k&r n/t
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 05:02 PM
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51. Just one example of the hundreds of cases of voter suppression
that we're going to see by the Rethugs in the 2012 election.
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spicegal Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 05:04 PM
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52. Un fricken believable.
Is there nothing these guys won't stop at to suppress voting among potential Democratic voters? Is this really what we've come to?
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 05:20 PM
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53. Excuse me? They effing DO pay taxes!
IMO, those who are not of voting age, being unrepresented, should not have to pay income taxes.
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 05:27 PM
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55. No say-so in representation without taxation?
Now that's an interesting Tea Party twist. It harkens back to the era of poll taxes and even limiting voting rights to property owners and/or certain "approved" religious affiliations. I'm not sure how taxes might be levied on students with negative net incomes, as indebtedness from college tuition and living expenses tends to outweigh part-time jobs. Of course, taxation is not the issue here -- it's suppresion of voting rights. Desperate AND despicable indeed.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 05:43 PM
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56. Loudly: "Ladies and gentlemen, this officer of the secular, constitutional government...
...just asked me a question that he does not have the Constitutional, legislative, or regulatory authority to ask. And because you do not have such authority, have never had such authority, and never will, my only reply is 'next question please'".
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 05:52 PM
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59. First they came after Teachers and Labor Unions:
Now they're coming after Voters and Young Adults.

Death of democracy and any semblance of secularization is the Teabag's desire.
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Swede Atlanta Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 06:08 PM
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61. Oh fuck...........
I guess since we don't have the draft we can't argue that if they can be sent to war they should be able to vote. But this gets back to the original idea that only white landowning MEN could vote. This is a crock of shit.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 06:20 PM
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62. these students should sue Webster for defamation of character,
and malicious prosecution.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 06:23 PM
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63. People in the military routinely vote where they're stationed
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 06:31 PM by Gman
then vote absentee in their home community. It's standard practice and I've had several tell them that it is their right. They continue to vote where they were stationed after they leave. We lost a congressional election about 10 or 12 years ago because of the military vote that didn't even live in Del Rio, TX any longer. It was shown that many, enough to change the outcome of the election, voted in Del Rio and again in their home community. Phil Gramm provided plenty of cover while he screamed about denying the military the right to vote.

http://www.duke.edu/~ldbaker/clippings/VOTETEX.html

and the GOP and Rick Perry still won't let it go:

http://www.lonestarreport.org/Management/BlogManagement/tabid/62/EntryId/586/Analysis-Military-voting-issue-returns-to-haunt-Texas-Democrats.aspx

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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:40 PM
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78. Excuse me? When I was active-duty (Army, 1982 - 1991)
we were advised that we could either register to vote where we were currently stationed OR vote absentee in our home of record. Under no circumstances was I ever led to believe that it was legal for me to do both!

I realize things have changed in the military with regard to ethics and morals and standards (witness events in Abu Ghraib, torture, complete disregard of the Geneva Convention, etc.) but good grief!
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:53 PM
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86. This is Texas
what can I say?
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 06:42 PM
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64. Plumbob says if the GOP chairman wants to be a citizen, prove he's a human being.
Certainly no observable evidence for that.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 07:07 PM
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65. But I bet they spend greenbacks in your towns.,,,
Their vote is guaranteed by a document created September 17, 1787. It doesn't mention paying taxes.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 07:09 PM
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66. Students will pay taxes when corporations pay taxes.
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dogmoma56 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 07:13 PM
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67. OCD Malignant Narcissists............! !
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 07:15 PM
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68. Yup, it's about singling out demographics that vote for Dems.
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rasputinkhlyst Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 07:43 PM
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70. So if a CEO
Does not pay taxes, he/she should not vote?
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 07:52 PM
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72. Does he let legal resident aliens vote if they own property and pay taxes?
They are not citizens but pay taxes, if that is the criterion used. I bet those students pay sales tax and property taxes on their vehicles.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 07:53 PM
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73. They are so extreme
Another sick Republican.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 07:57 PM
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74. THey should vote when they go home
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 08:02 PM by JAbuchan08
either in June, December or on Thanksgiving... just like the rest of us :eyes:

edited for grammerish issues
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:10 PM
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75. Would that be a tax that they so vehemently oppose?
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:29 PM
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76. Of course this is just another way to prevent young Democrats
from voting.........but the dip$hit does have a point!

The reason the voting age was lowered to age 18 in the 60s or early 70s, when there was a war going on in Viet Nam and there was a military draft. The powers that be figured that if you were old enough to be drafted and killed in a war, you might as well have some say in who your President or congressman was. And it wouldn't be fair to give the right to vote to 18 year old men without giving the same right to 18 year old women.

But, now that we have an all-volunteer military and most 18 - 21 year olds are still suckling from their parents' teat and don't pay taxes, maybe it is time to re-consider their voting rights........

Just saying.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:31 PM
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77. If corporations want to be people, they should pay taxes
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:52 AM
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122. So are are tying free speech rights to paying taxes? Interesting
consequences for any person who doesn't pay taxes. Given that no corporation escapes all taxes since they have payroll taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, etc, it's logical to infer you are referring to Federal and State Income taxes. Let me know how that works out. Maybe your next step can be no speech/voting, due process rights for any person who doesn't pay "enough" taxes. It sure would purge the poor from the voting rolls and move is a step back to limiting voting to white male landowners. Does the GOP pay you an employee salary or do you work on commission as a self-employed "contractor"?
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:51 PM
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79. The majority of students attending many colleges are from the state
the college is in. Every student should ask for a absentee ballots. When these assholes end up with thousands of absentee ballots to deal with they will think twice about harassing students. Make the offices in every county sorry for pushing this idiot law.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:00 PM
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80. This asshole wouldn't have any problem sending them to war.
They can die for the country and flag but not vote? :wtf:

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Veracious Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:16 PM
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81. WE BAT 1000. vs small minded cronies!
LOL gawd do these guys ever think before they speak?
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:23 PM
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82. then millionaires and billionaires who make money off dividend checks/trust funds should
pay taxes to vote too.

And corporations that create PACs should pay their fair share of taxes.

And churches that do political advocacy should too.

LeRoy Symm is a cold-hearted elitist.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:33 PM
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83. Shoot him.
It's dangerous to leave him alive.
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diveguy Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 07:52 AM
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104. Whoa
Are you advocating assassinating a gov official. Statements like that give the rw's ammo.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:20 PM
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114. You're right, we don't need to get uncivil.
Although apparently our buddy Antonin on SCOTUS would approve.

The real problem is no one is confronting this guy face to face. Someone needs to be in that district shutting him down.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:33 PM
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115. Two possible reasons for suggesting this idea:
- disadvantaging the impoverished by making them unable to vote.
- weakening the young, so that it is easier to reinstate and sustain a draft.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:37 PM
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84. "All person born or naturalized in the United States...
..., and subject to their jurisdiction, are citizens of the United States and the state in which they reside. ***"

Poll taxes are unconstitutional. Franchise discrimination on the basis of age for those at least 18 is unconstitutional.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:44 PM
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85. So then if you get a huge tax break, you shouldn't be able to vote?
I mean, it's consistent with the presumption that those who don't pay taxes shouldn't vote... :shrug:
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:08 PM
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87. If corporations are people, they should pay taxes.
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:08 PM
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88. It was young republicans organizing students to vote in Massachusetts that help put Reagan in office
in the 1980 election. If not for the large number of students attending college in Massachusetts, Jimmy Carter would have carried the state. So lets stop college students from voting all together :P
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:07 PM
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90. So should CEOs and big conglomerates like GE.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:23 PM
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91. These GOP assholes need to be kicked back into their box. n/t
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BrightSideOfLife Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 11:46 PM
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92. How many times do these kind of lessons have to be learned
before the tea party loses "credibility? Ridiculous. Oh and the warmer weather isn't happening either.
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deadinsider Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:13 AM
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93. Yeah...
And since corporations are apparently people than they should pay taxes too.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:14 AM
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94. Wait until he pulls that on some Trustafarian...
...who responds "I paid more in sales tax last year than your entire income."
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FreeBillClinton Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:53 AM
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95. How about we require an intelligence test to vote?
I don't think the republicans would like that.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 03:41 AM
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99. Maybe they would prefer to buy politicians instead of paying taxes like "corporate persons" do now!
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PotatoChip Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:47 AM
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101. Ha! The poll at the link asks if college students
should be allowed to vote where they attend college. 72% say yes.

Losing issue for a loser man and his dumba** party. Keep it up Webster. You prove time and again how ridiculous you and your band of idiots truly are.

Rec'd.
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Amaril Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:58 AM
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102. Really?
Well, I hope his philosophy extends to the corporate officers at G.E. who finagled things in such a way as to avoid paying taxes on $14.2 billion in profits.

The hypocrisy - it burns!
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 07:40 AM
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103. Do sales taxes count?
All college students pay sales taxes when buying stuff.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 08:12 AM
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105. Too bad that we do not have a DOJ or a SCOTUS
that worry about anything except money (just like almost all politicians). This is such an egregious miscarriage of justice. Unfortunately, justice or injustice are readily for sell in America.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 08:14 AM
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106. If corporations want to vote they "should pay taxes"
If Billionaires want to vote they "should pay taxes"

If Churches want to dabble in politics they "should pay taxes"

If republicans want to start wars in the middle east, they "should pay taxes"
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IrishAle Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 09:33 AM
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107. Can't do that.. Corperations have rights unlike citizens.
nt
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 10:57 AM
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111. I can't believe the idiots who would suggest students shouldn't vote
Edited on Thu Sep-01-11 10:57 AM by hughee99
in the states they go to school in.*



Disclaimer: *unless that student attends a school in Iowa and intends to participate in the 2008 Iowa Democratic caucus, in which case it can be open for debate depending on which candidate it favors and who you support.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 11:18 AM
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112. it's none of his damn business
about my religious affiliation. Where the hell did that come from? He has no right to even ask that question!!!! There are very few who have committed voter fraud, but the repugs make a big issue, unlike electoral fraud, which some have probably participated in. I want to know how fekkin low can they go to disenfranchise, intimidate voters-I swear they act like a bunch of morally bankrupt lowbrow thugs.

I remember in Nevada, I believe it was voter outreach, a repuke operation, where they ripped up democratic voter registrations. I believe the judge, probably a repuke, determined that those who had registered and had their registrations destroyed could not re-register. Totally morally bankrupt!!!!
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Kalidurga Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:48 PM
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116. I wish some of these local stories would get a lot more national coverage.
if the public was made more aware of the outrageous maneuverings of Republicans, every state would be a blue state.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:03 PM
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117. My daughter works 3 jobs while in college. She DOES pay taxes.
That said, being unemployed should not preclude someone from having the right to vote. By his logic, you'd have to exclude sick people, retirees, those who are laid off, disabled people, etc. What a total jackass.
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NOMOREDRUGWAR Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 03:02 PM
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120. Who ELSE here thinks it is HIGH TIME for the Department of Justice
to revive the Civil Rights Act, otherwise known as the Ku Klux Klan Act.

42 U.S.C. 1983 reads as follows:

Every person who under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, Suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer's judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable. For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.

I would say that abusing students in this way counts as subjecting them to the deprivation of a right secured by the Constitution. College students have the right to vote. Republicans know that young people will turn out big for Obama again next year, and they are trying to dampen turnout.

People like this idiot are modern-day Ku Kluxers.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 07:57 PM
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121. Republicans up to the same old dirty tricks.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:11 AM
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123. Listen to him try to explain it on talk radio
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 09:12 AM by MaineDem
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