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sfpcjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:26 PM
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AAA-Rated France May Be Vulnerable to Downgrade Following Cut to the U.S.
Source: Bloomberg

... France is more expensive to insure against default than lower-rated governments including Malaysia, Thailand, Japan, Mexico, Czech Republic, the state of Texas and the U.S.

“France is not, in my view, a AAA country,” said Paul Donovan, London-based deputy head of global economics at UBS AG. “France can’t print its own money, a critical distinction from the U.S. It is not treated as AAA by the markets.” ...



Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-07/aaa-rated-france-may-be-vulnerable-to-downgrade-following-cut-to-the-u-s-.html



--> I thought about this when they said France was in the AAA club on Friday. France?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:32 PM
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1. And not if they are on the hook for the rest of Europe.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:47 PM
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2. The two advantages the U.S. has are:
(1) Ability to print its own currency; and

(2) The dollar is the world's reserve currency.

#2 is the big one, in my opinion.
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sfpcjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:03 PM
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3. Right
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:22 PM
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5. Zimbabwe used to be able to print their own money, too.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:41 PM
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7. Again, #2 is the big one. nt.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:58 PM
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9. At the moment. Nothing lasts forever, though...
China -- the United States' biggest creditor -- said Washington only had itself to blame for its plight and called for a new stable global reserve currency.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4950277
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 12:01 AM
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10. We're the US' biggest creditor. China is the largest foreign creditor.
And the only threat to our dominance as the reserve currency is the Euro, which is not exactly flexing its muscle. And China doesn't even want its currency to be the reserve.

It probably won't last forever but any change will be slow enough to not cause a shock.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 07:26 AM
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11. Ah... But they couldn't print the money that denominated their debt.
That's a key difference.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:09 PM
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4. Ever been to France? Their infrastructure and quality of life is light-years ahead of ours.
Edited on Sun Aug-07-11 11:13 PM by onehandle
When I came back from a trip to Europe not too long ago, I felt like I was coming back to a third world country.

France and others are in crisis for the same reason we are. The Banks.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:55 PM
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8. We could afford much more were it not for Pax Americana.
Something that the rest of the world benefits from, but doesn't foot the bill for (largely).

Imagine what we could provide were the relative world peace funded by the French!
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:33 PM
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6. U$B, hey?
Is he the ... ahum... HEAD of the... ahum, U$B mob?
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