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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 07:18 AM
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Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega proposes vote on US damages
Source: BBC

Nicaragua's President Daniel Ortega has proposed a referendum on whether to demand $17bn (£10bn) from the US for its role in his country's civil war.

Mr Ortega was addressing supporters on the 32nd anniversary of the Sandinista revolution.

In 1986, the world court ruled the US violated international law by backing the Contras against Mr Ortega's Sandinista government.

But in 1990 the then Nicaraguan government dropped the claim.



Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-14213628



Read the judgement at http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?sum=367&code=nus&p1=3&p2=3&case=70&k=66&p3=5
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 08:17 AM
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1. Only 17 billion? Seems like a paultry amoiunt for all the damage done.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:05 PM
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2. Brilliant politically.
That move will help neuter his opposition. No one wants to be the foreign puppet.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:14 PM
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3. Wikipedia: CIA and Contras cocaine trafficking in the US

CIA and Contras cocaine trafficking in the US

~snip~
Early reportsIn 1984, U.S. officials began receiving reports of Contra cocaine trafficking. Three officials told journalists that they considered these reports "reliable." Former Panamanian deputy health minister Dr. Hugo Spadafora, who had fought with the Contra army, outlined charges of cocaine trafficking to a prominent Panamanian official and was later found murdered. The charges linked the Contra trafficking to Sebastián González Mendiola, who was charged with cocaine trafficking on November 26, 1984, in Costa Rica. In 1985, another Contra leader "told U.S. authorities that his group was being paid $50,000 by Colombian traffickers for help with a 100-kilo cocaine shipment and that the money would go 'for the cause' of fighting the Nicaraguan government." A 1985 National Intelligence Estimate revealed cocaine trafficking links to a top commander working under Contra leader Edén Pastora.<1> Pastora had complained about such charges as early as March 1985, claiming that "two 'political figures' in Washington told him last week that State Department and CIA personnel were spreading the rumor that he is linked to drug trafficking in order to isolate his movement."<2>

On December 20, 1985, these and other charges were laid out in an Associated Press article after an extensive investigation which included interviews with "officials from the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Customs Service, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Costa Rica's Public Security Ministry, as well as rebels and Americans who work with them." Five American Contra supporters who worked with the rebels confirmed the charges, noting that "two Cuban-Americans used armed rebel troops to guard cocaine at clandestine airfields in northern Costa Rica. They identified the Cuban-Americans as members of the 2506 Brigade, an anti-Castro group that participated in the 1961 Bay of Pigs attack on Cuba. Several also said they supplied information about the smuggling to U.S. investigators." One of the Americans "said that in one ongoing operation, the cocaine is unloaded from planes at rebel airstrips and taken to an Atlantic coast port where it is concealed on shrimp boats that are later unloaded in the Miami area."<1>

On March 16, 1986, the San Francisco Examiner published a report on the "1983 seizure of 430 pounds of cocaine from a Colombian freighter" in San Francisco which indicated that a "cocaine ring in the San Francisco Bay area helped finance Nicaragua's Contra rebels." Carlos Cabezas, convicted of conspiracy to traffic cocaine, said that the profits from his crimes "belonged to... the Contra revolution." He told the Examiner, "I just wanted to get the Communists out of my country." Julio Zavala, also convicted on trafficking charges, said "that he supplied $500,000 to two Costa Rican-based Contra groups and that the majority of it came from cocaine trafficking in the San Francisco Bay area, Miami and New Orleans."<3>

Former CIA agent David MacMichael explained the inherent relationship between CIA activity in Latin America and drug trafficking: "Once you set up a covert operation to supply arms and money, it's very difficult to separate it from the kind of people who are involved in other forms of trade, and especially drugs. There is a limited number of planes, pilots and landing strips. By developing a system for supply of the Contras, the US built a road for drug supply into the US."<4>

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_and_Contras_cocaine_trafficking_in_the_US
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:16 PM
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4. "Reagan Was the Butcher of My People:" Fr. Miguel D’Escoto Speaks From Nicaragua
June 08, 2004
"Reagan Was the Butcher of My People:" Fr. Miguel D’Escoto Speaks From Nicaragua

More perhaps than any other U.S. President, Reagan convinced many around the world that the U.S. is a fraud, a big lie. Not only was it not democratic, but in fact the greatest enemy of the right of self-determination of peoples. Reagan, as you mentioned just a few minutes ago, was known as the great communicator, and I believe that that is true only if one believes that to be a great communicator means to be a good liar. That he was for sure. He could proclaim the biggest lies without even as much as blinking an eyelash. Hearing him talk about how we were supposedly persecuting Jews and burning down non-existent synagogues, I was led to believe really, that Reagan was possessed by demons. Frankly, I do believe Reagan at that time as much as Bush today was indeed possessed by the demons of manifest destiny.

Of course, as I say this, I’m quite aware that to the people of say for example, Project for a New American Century, that is counted as a big plus. Because of Reagan and his spiritual heir George W. Bush, the World today is far less safe and secure as it has ever been. Reagan in fact was an international outlaw. He came to the Presidency of the United States shortly after Samosa, a Dictator that the U.S. has imposed over Nicaragua for practically half a century; had been deposed by Nicaraguan Nationalists under the leadership of the Sandinista Liberation Front. To Reagan Nicaragua had to be re-conquered. He blamed Carter for having lost Nicaragua, as if Nicaragua ever belonged to anyone else other than the Nicaraguan people. That was then the beginning of this war that Reagan invented, and mounted and financed and directed, the Contra War. About which he continually lied to the People. Helping the United States people to be the most ignorant people around the world. I said ignorant, I don’t say not intelligent. But the most ignorant people around the world about what the United States does abroad. People don’t even begin to see — if they did, they would rebel. And so, he lied to the people, as Bush lies to the people today and as they push on, thinking that the United States is above every law, human or divine. And we took the United States, Reagan’s United States, his government to court, the World Court. I was Foreign Minister at that time here in Nicaragua. I was responsible for that. And the United States government received the harshest sentence, the harshest condemnation ever in the history of world justice. In spite of the fact that the United States since the early 1920’s has been proclaiming to the world that one of the proofs of its moral superiority as compared to other countries around the world is the fact that it abides by the international law and was obedient to the world court when the United States was brought to the world court in Nicaragua and received the condemnation that the United States failed to heed the sentence and they till owe Nicaragua by now must be between 20,000 and $30,000 million at the time when we left government that the damages caused by that Reagan war was over $17 billion, and this, according to very moderate estimators of damage, people from the United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America, people from Harvard University and from Oxford and from the University of Paris basically this is the team that was pulled together to estimate the damage. The United States was ordered to pay for the damage. Bush never even wanted to talk to me about it. I said, "Well, let’s have a meeting so that you comply with your sentence of the court." He said to me in two different letters that there was nothing to talk about.

So, Reagan did damage to Nicaragua beyond the imaginations of the people who are hearing me now. The ripple effects of that; criminal murderous interventions in my country will go on for what, 50 years or more.

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/6/8/reagan_was_the_butcher_of_my
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:26 PM
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5. Went to find out why Nicaragua dropped the original claim against the US in 1990. This is wierd.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-11 06:27 PM by Judi Lynn
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1990 Mar 13, President Bush lifted trade sanctions against Nicaragua in a show of support for President-elect Violeta Chamorro.
(AP, 3/13/00)

http://timelines.ws/countries/NICARAGUA.HTML
Timeline Nicaragua

Somehow, US-backed Violeta Chamorro won the election! Guess who dropped the charges against the U.S. for the bloody, filthy war upon the people of Nicaragua. HW Bush-backed Violeta Chamorro! Wow!
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The Big Vetolski Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 07:04 PM
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6. He's got a great case. nt
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 10:17 PM
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7. I like leaders with a sense of humor. nt
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