Bradley says Prosser choked her

[eowyn_of_rohan]

Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinal

11:08 p.m.
Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Ann Walsh Bradley issued a statement late Saturday saying that fellow Justice David Prosser choked her and disputing claims that she attacked him first.

"The facts are that I was demanding that he get out of my office and he put his hands around my neck in anger in a chokehold," she said. "Those are the facts and you can try to spin those facts and try to make it sound like I ran up to him and threw my neck into his hands, but that's only spin.

"Matters of abusive behavior in the workplace aren't resolved by competing press releases," she said.

"I'm confident the appropriate authorities will conduct a thorough investigation of this incident involving abusive behavior in the workplace."

from the Milw. Journal Sentinal


Read more: http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/124551874.html

[senseandsensibility]

1. Someone unrec'd this.

That is sick on a progressive board.

[CoffeeCat]

9. Yes, it's a progressive board...

...but corporate toe suckers and arch conservative use unrec to do damage
here and to water down really important issues.

I mean please. Look at how powerful the corporations are and the lengths to which
they go--to influence the MSM, blogs and internet sites. They pay people to blog
and post pro-corporate propaganda on article-comments sections and on sites where
their company name is mentioned.

Does anyone really believe that they don't troll political sites as well?

An anti-nuclear energy post or a post that is damaging to the oil industry
or to big pharma---is harmless, unless it ends up the Greatest Page. If that
happens, it might become more visible to other sites and may even attract the
attention of big media outlets. Corporations realize this, and no doubt they've
got people unreccing in order to keep the truth under a bushel.

I hate unrec. It serves no one but the psychopathic corporations that control
everything else. Why give them one more tool to control the information?

[BlueCaliDem]

16. I wish I could rec'd your post! Excellent observation and well written! eom

[Enthusiast]

42. Me too...........nt

[lob1]

23. I couldn't agree more. Well put.

[shireen]

32. +10000!!!

well said!

[Hawkowl]

79. +1000

You have given the most powerful reason to repeal the unrec feature. You have swayed me. Down with unrec!!!

[socialist_n_TN]

85. There you go CCat. This is the truth...........

I agree with hating the unrec feature. I never use it or the rec. I also never use alert or ignore. IMO, this is a discussion board. That means you DISCUSS.

Now, if there was ONLY a "rec" feature, I actually might use that. But the rec/unrec option leads to drive by hits WITHOUT discussion and, as you said, corporate trolls on here (and I'm SURE they're on here) anonymously cratering good threads and ideas.

Just rec would be fine. I'm not going to recommend something that I don't like, but I'll probably post about it.

[shimmergal]

104. I agree about abolishing the

unrec. I never use it or the rec either, and have only put one person on my ignore list (for what I took as a targeted insult, not an opinion.) What's wrong with chosing threads based on their significance or personal interest?

It's nice--I guess--if bigger news orgs or politicians are reading us for "stuff" to publicize more widely. But what's wrong with them going to at least the same amount of effort? Especially if they're being paid?

A "rec" feature by itself might be OK, though, as socialist-n-TN suggests.

[Taverner]

95. Amen CoffeeCat

Sometimes they do more than just unrecc - sometimes they do drive bys wherein they hope to influence the discussion by using divisive language, put downs and generally being the fly in the ointment

[onehandle]

99. Either an accident or one of our long time embedded trolls. The rec system dies with DU3.

I for one, will be glad to see it die.

[Rex]

103. Spot on!!!

:thumbsup:

[October]

108. I agree. They've been here for a long time. We need more posts like yours.

I've written about this myself.

Divide and conquer is always their agenda. I think it's why so many GOP-types embrace the Tea Party; they are so afraid of being divided/weakened.

[arikara]

115. Please consider using your thoughtful post

to start a thread. I don't like unrec either because of what you say, and even more so because you can't even see how many unrecs there are.

[Beavker]

123. It's like shorting

It shouldn't exist. If you dont like a post, don't rec it. You don't like a stock then don't buy it.

[Jackpine Radical]

130. Well, the toe suckers seem not to have been able to stop this thread

from getting 428 recs (last I looked).

[harmonicon]

140. I can't associate any personality with your user name...

so I'm honestly having a hard time sorting out whether you're David Icke-crazy, or just a brilliant satirist.

[CoffeeCat]

153. Was that a compliment or...

...an insult?

Sorry, I haven't had my coffee yet, and the neurons aren't firing. But
I am curious as to what you meant!

[harmonicon]

158. Not an insult, but not a compliment either.

I just think you need to take a few steps back and consider these things. While I know that corporations/pacs/etc. pay people to troll message boards, I don't think they do so to such an extent that they convinced the fine folks who run this site to add an entire feature just so they could be disruptive. I think the guys around here do a good job of running things, and I'm just glad that the entire "recommend!" thing will be gone after the next update, and I pray it never comes back. If it does, I hope "unrecommend" comes back with it.

[eagertolearn]

143. You are so right. I live in a small town and a local Psychiatrist

wrote an article about how bad high fructose corn syrup was for kids and everyone. Next thing he knew he is getting a 10 page letter from a person from the other side of the US telling him he was wrong. So he called this person and talked to him more about it and then asked who he worked for....the corn industry! Supposedly any time high fructose corn syrup was mentioned anywhere they had record of it.

[snooper2]

150. CEO of Hewlett-Packard to CFO, yo Bob, I was running through the proposed budget

I saw this line item in public relations for 122K for trolls, What the fuck is that?

Oh, we pay a couple guys to hit the unrec button on democratic underground.

Really? That site get used by a lot of people?

Oh, at least .0002% of the population



:rofl:

[Uncle Joe]

157. A few points.

1. They wouldn't need to exclusively troll D.U., they could troll several or more progressive sites, depending on their efficiency.

2. Aiming at a specifically targeted population would magnify the effect, people using or reading D.U. are more likely to spread a political message in either the "real world" or onto other segments of the Internet, the same holds true for people using sports centric discussion boards as they would more likely be attuned to and expand that subject onto the general populace. All your ideas and thoughts are generated in your brain; and that organ makes up a very small % of your body.

3. As the growth of the Internet has depreciated the cost of advertising dollars would be freed up from that segment of corporate coffers and that might come to tens of millions spent on P.R. or commercials to the one way, top down corporate media.

4. The people have numbers of humans on their side, but the mega-corporations; and extremely wealthy have the dollars, I can't imagine they wouldn't use those resources to obtain even more or retain their stranglehold on the nation's wealth.

5. I also believe that in today's economy, a 122k would purchase more than just a "couple of guys" to be trolls.

6. Timing is everything if they can dampen by unrec a potentially hot topic beneficial to progressive forces, they can hope the subject drops down the forum to lower visibility, a reduced chance of recs and inclusion on to the front/greatest page or page 1 of the specified forums.

[Uncle Joe]

154. I couldn't agree more.

:thumbsup:

[Evoman]

11. It's disturbingly easy to accidentally unrecomment something.

It's happened to me at least once, and I've seen it happen to others. Also, there are repugs on here.

[nonperson]

50. There should at least be a verification page as with polls posted here

I'd rather see the unrec eliminated but if that can't happen then at least make sure the recs and unrecs are verified in one final step to avoid unintended unrecs.

[elleng]

54. Maybe 'are you sure you want to unrec this?'

[nonperson]

59. Yes, or like with the current polls

You vote then the next page lists your choice then you have to click again to submit it.

[Brother Buzz]

96. I agree, but the recs and unrec feature is going to disappear with the New and Improved DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=437&topic_id=100&mesg_id=100

[existentialist]

77. I too have at least once hit unrec instead of rec

This time I hit rec cleanly and correctly.

[Butch350]

38. Hum...

why don't you choke em.

[Enthusiast]

41. But the un-recommender isn't progressive.

They are very likely Limbaugh loving Republicans.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

52. Well, I've been met with criticism from right wingers on this board

So not everyone is a progressive. There are spies from the Repugnican front in here.

[itcfish]

152. Love Your Last Name!

(Off subject)


Dolores Ibárruri! La Pasionaria!

[curiousdemo]

76. PROSSER!!!!!!............

"Take Your Filthy Paws Off Me, You Damn Dirty Ape!!"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKdSXfPl8vY

[Hepburn]

81. Prosser joined???

:shrug:

[bigwillq]

145. Got to love the first post rec police.

You're the first POST. Give it time!!!! :rofl:
It now has close to 500! Better?!??? :rofl:

[cosmicone]

2. ohhh ... give Prosser a break

he is a right-wing Republican!! You liberals, stand down. He is doing great things for America.

:sarcasm:

[Zoeisright]

3. PRESS. CHARGES.

It's Justice Bradley's moral duty to press charges against that prick Prosser. Sue his fucking ass if if charges don't stick. Unamerican pigs like Prosser need to be hounded OUT of office.

[CarmanK]

28. There was a police report filed! Is that not public record??

[Abq_Sarah]

33. The capitol police said they'd respond on Monday

It's a shame they're waiting because according to JSOnline, there are conflicting reports from multiple sources.

Regardless, whoever instigated it needs to be charged and resign.

[socialist_n_TN]

86. No. Whoever ESCALATED it into hands on violence

needs to be charged and resign. You can scream at me all day long and the worst I'll do is scream back. However, if you put your hands on me in anger, I'll smack you into next week.

Don't buy into the "They made me do it!" bullshit. No amount of verbal provocation is enough to escalate into violence.

[KansDem]

114. "...if you put your hands on me in anger, I'll smack you into next week."

My sentiments exactly!

[socialist_n_TN]

119. When you believe in self defense

you have to KNOW when it's called for. Hands on in anger calls for it. NOTHING verbal calls for physical response.

[Abq_Sarah]

156. I didn't mean to suggest

A physical response was an appropriate solution to a verbal altercation.

[socialist_n_TN]

159. Thank you for the clarification!

:)

[cui bono]

128. Whoever DID it needs to be charged. Why did you say "instigated"? n/t

[Abq_Sarah]

155. Whoever made the first physical move

Better?

[Duer 157099]

4. Reminds me of this

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Private Pyle I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you! ONE! TWO! THREE!
Private Gomer Pyle: Sir, I can't help it, sir.
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Bullshit! Get on your knees scumbag!

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Now choke yourself.

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Goddamn it, with MY hand, numb-nuts!

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Don't pull my fucking hand over there! I said choke yourself; now lean forward and choke yourself!

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Are you through grinning?
Private Gomer Pyle: Sir, yes, sir.
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Bullshit, I can't hear you!
Private Gomer Pyle: Sir, yes, sir.
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Bullshit, I STILL can't hear you! Sound off like you've got a pair!
Private Gomer Pyle: SIR, YES, SIR!
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: That's enough! Get on your feet. Private Pyle you had best square your ass away and start shitting me Tiffany cufflinks or I will definitely fuck you up!
Private Gomer Pyle: Sir, yes, sir.

[Ellipsis]

5. He's finished.

[blueclown]

43. Nope, now he'll run for the GOP nomination.

[laylah]

46. Thanks for the link!

Very interesting read.

[Jackpine Radical]

131. That Fighting Bob link?

We now have 2 Bobfests each year, one in the north (Chippewa Falls) & 1 in the south (used to be Baraboo, now Madison). You really ought to come check them out if you ever can.

[midnight]

6. K&R... This poor women...

What was this angry man doing in this women's office?

[KingFlorez]

7. Attacking a woman should end his career

If Walker and his bunch defend him on this, it will surely cause repercussions in the recalls. He needs to resign now.

[jmowreader]

21. Attacking ANYONE should end his career!

It wouldn't matter if he tried to strangle one of the men on the Wisconsin Supreme Court or a woman--they need to throw his butt off the court, then start asking the people who rigged the recent election why they were so hell-bent to put someone who'd assault one of his co-workers on the bench.

[socialist_n_TN]

87. Word. What you said^^^^^^^^^^

nm

[cleanhippie]

116. Only a woman?

How about "attacking anyone..."?

[RVN VET]

121. No, he should refuse to resign

He's more valuable to Progressives if he stays on the bench and gets Walker and the rest of the Wi GOP to support him. The Dems in Wisconsin won't need to spend a dime on TV ads if the local media do their job. Is Prosser married? Does his wife, I wonder, fall down a lot? Walk into doors? That sort of thing?

[tomm2thumbs]

8. '...a physical altercation in the presence of other justices.'

witnesses, sworn to tell the truth... by definition


from article currently in top stories on this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4895988

[Webster Green]

10. Figured that was the case.

The shitbag's statement was far too squishy.

It will be very interesting to see what happens here. I assume there will be assault charges.

[Firebrand Gary]

12. K&R

[Webster Green]

13. What a slap in the face to all the thugs who stole the election for him.

He then goes on to assault another justice?

Fucking idiot!

[onehandle]

14. He's toast. nt

[AllyCat]

15. Prosecute his a$$! Anyone else would be in custody right now for doing this

These Repukes are dreadful people.

[NBachers]

17. And then he lied about it

[CarmanK]

26. The man lies, that is nothing new.

[Kablooie]

18. There must be something about using violence that is built into the converv. mindset..

They seem to be related.
If a Democrat loses an argument they tend to pull back and try to figure out new tactics to achieve their aim.
When a Republican loses, they want to destroy their opponent in any way possible, including violence.

[Uben]

34. Prosser's diaper must have been soiled...

.....for him to be so irate. HE can't take criticism and he can't argue without assaulting, as long as it's a woman. A man would have grabbed the coward by the head of the hair, dragged the motherfucker out in the hall and stomped the shit out of him. So, he picks on women. The Prosser name will forever mean woman-beating coward!

[Rosa Menti]

58. The conservative brain

has been shown to be motivated by fear. Fear often leads one to feel that defense is needed. I am in NO WAY justifying Prosser or his assault. I am suggesting that conservatives are reactionary and scared and hide behind a veneer of bravado and machismo precisely because they are unable to accept change as easily as progressive brains. The use of violence is exemplified in the military/industrial/security state. America is driven by little men and women who are afraid of their own shadows and afraid of tomorrows sunrise. Prosser needs to be "prossercuted" (new term: defined as choking a woman after she proves she is right, smart or independent. "He prossercuted her for having refused his ideas/advances.")

[PatSeg]

82. You summed that up very nicely

I've known men like Prosser. As outrageous as he is, he is hardly unique. Its hard to imagine how someone with his temperament could hold such a high office, but I have a feeling that he may have kept his temper under control for a long time, at least publicly. Also his behavior indicates he may be having some kind of mental breakdown or drug reaction, which would clearly make him unfit to serve as a Supreme Court Justice.

It should be interesting to see how this all unfolds.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[madrchsod]

141. very well said and welcome to the du.....!

[LiberalAndProud]

117. I agree.

If they can't make us agree with them, then they will use any means necessary to make us do things their way. Voter caging, vote suppression, cheating at the polls and violence. All those tactics and worse are born of the same mindset.

[Citizen Worker]

19. I do hope Justice Bradley files a bar complaint and the prick ends up disbarred. If his license is

revoked for assault then he won't be able to practice law and that means he must vacate his seat on the court.

[sce56]

20. I'm sure he did not mean it

You know those are rethuglican family values at work

[CarmanK]

27. Abusers never do mean to harm their victims!!

They just beat them up and then apologize later. They expect foregiveness, but give none.

[ejpoeta]

37. they aren't really sorry. they just are like a child trying to get away with it.

and like it appears this guy is doing, try to blame the victim. my kids do that all the time. here's a for instance with my five year old and her little almost 2 year old sister.... ashley, why did you hit your sister. well she was playing with my toy. did that make it ok to hit her? but she was playing with MY toy! ashley she isn't even 2. you don't hit people. see how that works. abby deserved it because she was playing with ashley's toy. no hint of i don't really believe it either. but she knows i don't condone hitting for any reason either.

i hope that this assclown gets his. i am doubtful just considering how things seem to have been lately. there is no excuse for putting your hands on another person. period.

[GreenTea]

22. Republicans are all digusting slime!!

[999998th word]

24. Justice Bradley shows guts and discretion

Thanks for the update.

I have a concern,walker et al knew this went down earlier that week. All of those bills passed and if memory serves me walker and the fitzie boys etc...

anticipated this and the possible outcome re: WSCC .They inserted some provisions -seemingly hasty-in that bill giving walker more power

and circumventing some issues that would normally have gone through the WSCC ? There was just too much fail that week for me to ?process?

but something else seems to stink as well.

Eoh ,If you or anyone else has any expertise on this and a better understanding of how the 2 might possibly be related ,I'd appreciate it if you could elaborate.

[patrice]

25. IOKIYAR

[CarmanK]

29. Don't think that is going to be true in WI, not this year!!

The people in WI are aware of what is happening in their state and there is a special election in August. The dems have to win. These allegations, could certainly add fuel to the fire, that the repugs are unfit to govern.

[deacon]

30. Damn. This is serious shit. k + R

[JJW]

31. Typical Republikan

I'm surprised he didn't try waterboarding her.

[Botany]

35. Prosser is now saying it didn't happen

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110626/GPG0101/106260591/Wisconsin-Supreme-Court-Justice-David-Prosser-denies-chamber-altercation

Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser denies chamber altercation


<But Prosser issued a statement Saturday night saying the reports are untrue.

"Once there's a proper review of the matter and the facts surrounding it are made clear, the anonymous claims made to the media will be proven
false," he said in a statement on the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's website. "Until then, I will refrain from further public comment.">




Picture that is reported to be of Prosser when he attacked Justice Bradley.

[Vinca]

45. Where did the photo come from? The guy looks nuts.

[TorchTheWitch]

126. sorry, it's not a photo during this particular incident nor was it reported to be

The photo surfaced attached to one of the articles concerning this incident but only claimed it was a photo of Prosser during "a" tirade. Prosser is known for his tirades, and this photo is just a random one in which he's on another tear and looking like a nut. This photo has appeared before. Whoever wrote the article attached the photo just to show him during one of his many nutty tirades... and why not - there's plenty to choose from.

The incident in question took place in Bradley's chambers. There are no cameras in the private chambers of judges.

[Zambero]

142. His re-election is what didn't happen

However, it was close enough to steal and as a result he's back again in "fine" form. If the votes had been tabulated properly without the usual shenanigans from Waukesa County, Prosser would have not been there to assault another Justice. It would not have happened. The only hitch -- he was there, and it did happen.

[shanti]

144. damn

look at the veins on his neck. this is a scary man.

[dballance]

36. So That is assault.

It is illegal for Supreme Court Justices just as it is illegal for the common person. He should be prosecuted and removed from the bench.

[WVRICK13]

39. What Happens To A Justice

when they are charged with assault and battery? If were Justice Bradley I would find out.

[justiceischeap]

40. When someone says "he put my hands around my neck in anger"

I don't call that a chokehold. I call that either, strangling or throttling. I know it shouldn't really make a difference but, IMO, the words do matter. Most people, I'd imagine, hear 'chokehold' and think of WWF wrestling--as in fake but good entertainment (well, for them anyway). Others hear strangle or throttle and think, violence, real violence.

I've posted pictures as an example:

Chokehold:



Strangling/Throttling:

[cui bono]

129. In L.A. when we hear chokehold we think of cops and minorities. n/t

[Yon_Yonson]

44. Thanks for the update

I wanna see Posser arrested as I type this! Handcuffs the piss ant and lead him thru a crowd of demostrating angry Wisconsinites. Better yet put him into stocks on the capital lawn!

[Evasporque]

47. Hah...she is pissed...wonder why it took so long..

I wonder why there was not a complaint against Prosser...?

Maybe there was and that after the Walker Thug machine stymied and. investigation it was turned over to the press...

The sad thing about Wisconsin Conservative is that they are 100% ok with this kind of behavior.

[avebury]

48. K&R

[cstanleytech]

49. If the story is true why has he not been arrested?

[Yon_Yonson]

53. From my experiences there be laws for the common folk

... and then there are laws for the people of influence, power and wealth. It is my beleif that these groups of people are not and never will be treated equally in amerika's legal system.

[socialist_n_TN]

90. Yes. This is true, BUT..........

All socialists need to show this hypocrisy for what it IS by pointing it out EVERY CHANCE WE GET! Welcome to DU.

[SteppingRazor]

55. Would you really wantto live in that country?

Where person A can simply say, "Person B choked me." And person B gets arrested, no questions asked?

If bradley presses charges and there is an investigation, I'm certain it will lead to arrest. But investigate first, arrest later, not the other way around.

[socialist_n_TN]

91. The difference is that the average guy accused of this

would have been arrested and had to post bond WHILE THE INVESTIGATION WAS GOING ON. Instead with this asswipe, they do the investigation first and, since it took almost a week for it to get out, they apparently investigated it secretly for a few days.

That's STILL a different standard for the wealthy and connected than for the working class.

[cstanleytech]

109. That is exactly why I was asking.

After all if I or just about anyone else on this forum had been accused of assaulting someone the police would show up and depending on circumstances either thrown us in cuffs right away or taken the statement from the person claiming to be assaulted and then thrown us in cuffs if there was evidence of an assault.
So far though the justice hasnt been arrested so its got me wondering if anything did happen or is law enforcement being derelict in their duty because of who the accused is?

[socialist_n_TN]

110. It's that double standard for the "elites"

and yeah, I knew what you were talking about. Apparently some folks didn't get that distinction though. You or I would be IN jail (or at least on bond) WHILE this was being investigated. Why not Prosser, if not for a double standard?

[gkhouston]

125. Justice may be blind, but it can smell money. n/t

[slackmaster]

160. Two reasons: 1. Nobody was injured and 2. The facts are in dispute.

From the perspective of law enforcement, this looks like a "he said/she said" situation.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

51. What pigs Republicans are. Repukes are lying and saying she attacked him first!

This man needs to be removed.

[greenman3610]

56. facebooked. hope everyone spreads this link.

Gee, a republican that bullies women. What a surprise.

[wordpix]

57. fortunately she has witnesses as "justices" were in the chambers

[iwishiwas]

60. Bradley says Prosser choked her (WI)

Source: jsonline.com


Bradley says Prosser choked her

June 25, 2011 | Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Ann Walsh Bradley issued a statement late Saturday saying that fellow Justice David Prosser choked her and disputing claims that she attacked him first.

"The facts are that I was demanding that he get out of my office and he put his hands around my neck in anger in a chokehold," she said. "Those are the facts and you can try to spin those facts and try to make it sound like I ran up to him and threw my neck into his hands, but that's only spin.

"Matters of abusive behavior in the workplace aren't resolved by competing press releases," she said....................

Read more: http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/124551874.html

---

OK. last night I saw that Prosser denied it. NOW, we have Bradley's statement.
Prosser was vague in his statement (he never really said he did not touch her). But Bradley is clear!


WHOW.

[xchrom]

61. I hope she presses assault charges. Nt

[Cirque du So-What]

62. Is it possible that the state could file charges whether or not Justice Bradley does?

I'm far from an expert on such things, but I recall hearing about people who were hauled off to jail in spite of the victim's unwillingness to press charges. It's still unrealistic to expect anything other than a two-tier justice system, however.

[xchrom]

71. i think that's the case.

if after the investigation -- there is eye witness testimony or evidence that he did -- then the state can file.

[annabanana]

63. PRESS CHARGES JUDGE BRADLEY!!

This kind of workplace abuse can't stand

[DainBramaged]

64. PRESS the PROSSER

:rofl:

[Dennis Donovan]

65. Kick and Recommend - the true MO of Repugs...

If they don't get their way, they'll bully their opponents all the way to a physical altercation.

[JJW]

66. He didn't waterboard her?

Seeing how he's a freakin' Republikan,, it is surprising he only choked her. What did or didn't she do? Could it be she refused to change his soiled diapers?

[cosmicone]

67. Dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4896649&mesg_id=4896649

[HereSince1628]

68. Brought to you by The Wisconsin Club for Thugs

Is there anyone remaining who thinks that the current bench of the WI supreme court is really going to be making any rational, law-based decisions?

The new reality for Wisconsin is that all comity has been lost in the decision making of Wisconsin's court of last resort. Decisions that will continue to affect millions of people over generations have been shaped by intimidation in the form of threats and acts of violence.

I'm simply in awe this morning re the thoroughness with which the institutions of my state's government have been twisted beyond recognition by aggressive angry ideologues.

It is frighteningly clear that the state has broken from its moorings in mid-western commonsense.

[gristy]

69. dupe

[vi5]

70. He's going to get away with this....

They always do.

[JAnthony]

72. Charge him with assault, get him in jail.

He can't be a judge as a convicted felon.

[panzerfaust]

73. Justice Prosser says "She brought it on herself. However, ...

... I will pray for her or her having forgotten the clear teachings of The Bible on the role of women.

I can only hope that she has learned something from this."

[existentialist]

78. Is your comment for real?

Did he really say that?

[panzerfaust]

105. Sigh. Yes, my comment is 'for real'

... but, though he may well have said something along those lines to his buds, I am not one of them.

A speculatively ironic comment.

[hayrow]

74. No matter what happens....

This will be an extraordinary learning experience. Do the women of Wisconsin share the views of the Taliban/Conservative Christian/Orthodox Jewish standards regarding the female gender, or do they believe women are equal to men? There is no doubt that the spin has begun to blame Ann Walsh-Bradley and Shirley Abrahamson for the attack. It will not be long before Fox et al begin to question whether Ann Walsh-Bradley and Shirley Abrahamson instigated and deserved the violent reaction from Prosser. If the echo chamber is successful with the fiction, and either Prosser remains on the court or Walsh-Bradley or Abrahamson are forced out, to me it proves the women of Wisconsin do not believe in equality.

[socialist_n_TN]

92. That's why it's up to US to counter

It's simple. We ALL need to say anytime this is brought up: WORDS DO NOT GIVE ANYONE THE RIGHT TO USE PHYSICAL VIOLENCE, ESPECIALLY AGAINST SOMEONE WEAKER!

BTW, welcome to DU.

[madmom]

93. If you read the comments from the article linked, you'll see they have

already started this. Their views are.. she charged him, it was self defense, the two women are always instigating him/them, he a small man so it was his only defense from her "attack". That is just a small example of their pathetic spin.
The was no reason for this "person" to lay his hands on her or anyone.

[Kurmudgeon]

133. Don't let your prejudice lump me in with Prosser, hayrow.

[wordpix]

75. Prosser is single - was he ever married?

[buddysmellgood]

84. The rumor is he is gay but in denial

[wordpix]

135. makes sense - repressed repug with anger managemt problem

same old same old

[Sportsguy]

80. As I Said Earlier, I Knew She Wouldn't Let This Go

I've met her several times, and she is a wonderful person, I can tell you that. She will take this ALL then way, count on it.

[socialist_n_TN]

94. Well that's good then. Because

I said in the other post on this subject, if a SC justice won't press charges for assault and battery, then how can the justice system push an average woman to?

Kudos to Justice Bradley for doing the right thing.

[LuckyTheDog]

83. But, did he tweet photos of his penis?

And is he a Democrat?

No and no? Well, it's OK then!

[socialist_n_TN]

111. IOKIYAR

It's OK if you're a Republican.

[alfredo]

88. Are there bruises on her neck?

[sakabatou]

97. Not all chokes leave bruises.

It also depends on the amount of time in a choke.

[alfredo]

102. And force

[John Paul Jones]

89. Could we see a return of the fistfights that used to occur on the House floor?

[jwirr]

98. Part of the evidence is the past behavior of these two people. I have

seen her described as mild mannered. I have seen evidence of other uncontrolled acts of anger from him. That alone causes me to believe her.

[Iliyah]

100. This man surely has

violent tendencies towards females and I doubt it just started He has already said that she attacked him first and he was just trying to protect himself. Yea right, always blaming someone esle, ummmmmmmm, sounds like a true gop trooper.

[buddysmellgood]

107. Exactly. Bradley is a cool cucumber.

[toddwv]

101. Wow, if you read the comments to the article in the OP,

the right-wingers are lining up like little toy soldiers behind Prosser.

Barring a situation where Bradley came at Prosser and initiated physical contact, there is no other case that would justify him trying to choke her. It was her office. Sounds like she was telling him to leave, perhaps even "showing him the door" as the speak and must've been in fairly close vicinity to each other for him to be able to lay hands on her.

Bad news is that the people are saying that Walker gets to appoint a replacement who is guaranteed to be 100% Koch certified.

Good news is that the replacement would be unlikely to withstand the next election.

[suffragette]

106. Looks like an escalation of Prosser's pattern of behavior,

one that is similar in action and in excuses made to spousal abuse.

Note the last line in the article was anticipating the defense he would make based on the past one and now that looks to be the case.
Basically: it wasn't my fault; she made me swear at/choke her. Glad to see that Bradley is already countering that by pointing to the obvious absurdity and spin of that line of defense:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/06/prossers_history_with_fellow_female_justices.php


Prosser's History With Fellow Female Justices
David Kurtz | June 25, 2011, 5:37PM


The latest alleged incident involving Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser can't be viewed in isolation. Last year, Prosser exploded at Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson in a closed door meeting, calling her a "bitch" and threatening to "destroy" her.

That incident came to light during Prosser's re-election campaign earlier this year. Prosser admitted to using the word "bitch," but said it was justified. "I probably overreacted, but I think it was entirely warranted," he said in March.

Why did Prosser think it was warranted? "They (Abrahamson and Justice Ann Walsh Bradley) are masters at deliberately goading people into perhaps incautious statements. This is bullying and abuse of very, very long standing," Prosser claimed.

That's the same Ann Walsh Bradley with whom Prosser allegedly got in a new argument last week, in her chambers, where his hands ended up around her neck, in the presence of other justices, in the midst of their deliberations over the legality of Gov. Scott Walker's union-busting bill. Presumably because she was bullying and abusing him again.

[Sportsguy]

113. This Was In The Presence Of Others?

Should be open and shut.

[suffragette]

118. Yes, by the accounts it was in the presence of others

http://www.thenation.com/blog/161654/fitzwalkerstan-justice-wisconsin-governor-walkers-judicial-fixer-accused-assaulting-diss


Justice Prosser’s alleged assault on Justice Bradley was witnessed by several other justices. As Justice Prosser grew more agitated during his meeting with his fellow jurist, Justice Bradley reportedly asked him to leave her office. At that point, sources say, Justice Prosser lunged at Justice Bradley and grabbed her neck with both hands,

Capitol Police were reportedly contacted following the incident. Justice Prosser, after initially refusing to comment, claimed that a review of the “facts surrounding (the alleged attack)” will offer him some measure of exoneration. But this sounds an awfully lot like Prosser’s claim following a previous incident that he began screaming obscenities and threatening Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson because – Justice Prosser complained -- the senior jurist in some unexplained manner had “provoked” him.



Something else of note in this article is the pattern of some of the justices excusing his behavior in the previous incident and, apparently, in other previous incidents which had become ever more frequent. The following is from after the he had verbally abused and threatened Abrahamson and before his current act of physically assaulting Bradley:


Justice Bradley, who noted Justice Prosser’s explosive outbursts had become more frequent, also urged other justices to stop making excuses for Justice Prosser’s threatening words and deeds.

“Regardless of our disagreements, there is no justification for this abusive behavior,” she wrote. “Blaming his abusive behavior on others merely enables it.”

[NoodleyAppendage]

148. It could be the onset of FRONTOTEMPORAL Dementia

Prosser's about the right age for Pick's disease.

[KansDem]

112. WTF??!!!

Judges are suppose to be above reproach! They are suppose to set examples of stellar behavior for the rest of us to follow! After all, they sit in judgment on us!!!

We have that judge who sent kids to detention for the minor of offenses so he could skim some paola;

Then we have at least three corrupt judges on the US Supreme Court--attending fund raisers for conservatives;

And then we have Clarence Thomas who has accepted so much graft it isn't even funny!

And now this: a judge physically assaulting another judge!

I used to look up to this people...not any more! :grr:

[L. Coyote]

120. Rec #393

[L. Coyote]

122. I have only one real question

Why wasn't he choking Scott Walker's instead?

Isn't there be a rule that Republicans can only choke each other? :rofl:

[WheelWalker]

124. I think the feds will become involved. Isn't there a criminal civil rights

violation in here somewhere?

[catrose]

127. "She made me do it"

is the oldest excuse of abusers since other people started objecting to their (the abusers') habits.

[diane in sf]

132. Good thing there were witnesses.

[madville]

134. Going to withhold judgement on this one

until an official investigation is concluded and released. I just don't trust the media or any side much anymore, it could have happened either way.

There are two sides to every story and the truth is somewhere in the middle usually.

[hayrow]

136. Exactly the reaction Fox News wants

The answer is rarely somewhere in the middle. In my family I was taught that a man never hits a woman. This is not an issue for balance. There are certain standards/values that we as a society grew up with, and one of those standards, with no middle ground, was that a man does not strike a woman.

[teknomanzer]

147. Well I am not going to withhold judgment.

I think its pretty obvious that this guy is a misogynist bastard and an all around moldy piece of dick cheese. Its well known that he is ill tempered and has mistreated women who have appeared before him in court, in addition to his foul mannered behavior toward his fellow jurists. It therefore seems highly plausible that this grade B piece of mule anus did in fact put his hands around his colleague's neck in a manner that would be be described as assault.

[DonCoquixote]

137. let me guess his response

It's ok if you are a republican

(all due apologies to rachel for that meme)

[SoapBox]

138. K &R!

[lobodons]

139. To be a fly on the wall

Oh how interesting it would have been to be a fly on the wall during the heated discussion that lead up to the assault.

[iwishiwas]

146. I would like to be a fly on the wall right now at the Capitol police

station. I heard (can not verify it) that they will be making a statement Monday.

[iwishiwas]

149. "There seems to be a very deep and dysfunctional problem at the Supreme Court"

I agree.



http://dekerivers.wordpress.com/2011/06/26/supreme-court-justice-david-prosser-ann-walsh-bradley-episode-pathetic-and-damaging/


......I was deeply embarrassed when stories abounded earlier this year that Prosser had verbally abused Chief Justice Abrahamson, calling her “a bitch“. That might be the lingo for some hay-seed state, but should not be uttered here in Wisconsin.

Now we have serious allegations against Prosser of placing a chokehold on another female justice. It must be investigated and aired so all can know the facts. There seems to be a very deep and dysfunctional problem at the Supreme Court. Since the citizens have been dragged into this affair with the airing of these issues we need to now better understand what in heck is going on.

There can be no waffling with the truth concerning this matter. Once and for all citizens need to know what is happening with a candidate who campaigned for a ten-year term and then acts like a fool when given the responsibility to sit on the court.

Until this matter is resolved I seriously suggest we get a med cart filled and roll it out for the Supreme Court.

[AngryAmish]

151. Seems like Wisconsin is the Florida of the upper midwest

[Ellipsis]

161. Sheriff Distances Himself from Supreme Court Probe

Sheriff Distances Himself from Supreme Court Probe
By Marge Pitrof
June 28, 2011 | WUWM | Milwaukee, WI


Dane County Sheriff David Mahoney says he will not oversee the case involving Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser, because Mahoney endorsed Prosser's opponent in this year's election, Joanne Kloppenburg. Mahoney says he has handed over the case to his chief deputy.