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savalez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:08 PM
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Democrats Explicitly Call Out GOP For Sabotaging The Economic Recovery
Source: TPM

They've made it explicit. Democrats are accusing Republicans of trying to sabotage the recovery -- or at least stall it -- by blocking all short-term measures to boost the economy, even ones they previously supported.

In a Capitol press conference Wednesday, the Senate's top Democrats argued that Republicans don't want to pass measures like a temporary payroll tax holiday for employers because they'll improve President Obama's re-election chances.

"Our Republican colleagues in the House and Senate are driven by putting one man out of work: President Obama," said Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL).

The harshest denunciation came from Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-IL), the man who crafted the Dems' new "jobs first" message.



Read more: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/democrats-explicitly-call-out-gop-for-sabotaging-the-economic-recovery.php?ref=fpblg



Republicans sabotaging recovery for political gain. This is exactly what we need to be talking about. Will the major news stations report this? Is holding America hostage newsworthy these days?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:09 PM
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1. I am glad to hear this.
They should call them out, that is EXACTLY what the GOP is doing.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 03:17 PM
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26. AGREED....I've been saying this for over a year.
They are not patriotic...they only want Obama out of office so they can have the power to ruin/rule America. They are perfectly willing to sacrifice the economy and jobs if it helps get rid of Obama. No jobs...no Obama.
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ckimmy57 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 12:19 PM
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124. Ditto
Been saying exactly that for awhile now.....
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:10 PM
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2. Now that's no way to get along

:sarcasm:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:14 PM
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3. imo we need much more of this, including naming names. k&r
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 03:49 PM
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29. Yes, we need names... It's chickenshit to say "republicans"
without calling them to a high noon meeting by name.
Oh, some of the dems may want to leave their mirrors at home.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 07:12 AM
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108. That's why Obama emblazoned Paul Ryan's name on the Kill The Seniors budget R's voted for en masse.
Obama is far from chickenshit.

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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #108
120. jt...my reply was short. Where did you read that
I called the Prez "chickenshit?'.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 01:06 PM
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127. I was merely pointing out by example that he is does not fall into that category.
Please feel free to elaborate as you see fit.

:shrug:


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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 04:35 PM
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128. and you are correct. To me, Obama is indeed a brave man, for many reasons.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 05:16 PM
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48. We do need more of it.
Edited on Wed Jun-22-11 05:16 PM by Enthusiast
Obama's mouth should be non stop in his attacks on obstructionist Republicans. Spittle should be flying from the mouths of every elected Democrat until the media wishes for a return to the days of the comparatively tame and reasonable Teabaggers. Republicans should have to put their fingers in their ears.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 11:25 AM
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119. Excellent...!
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:15 PM
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4. Has there been a vote in the Senate on these measures? n/t
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:19 PM
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5. A couple things
Chuck Schumer is representing Illinois now? Who knew? :eyes:

Also, this is only the most obvious fucking thing in the world, but will the guy whose head is being hunted step up and call these bastards out? Methinks not. That would be ... unseemly. Or something. I hope to be proven wrong.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:23 PM
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6. about time...
Edited on Wed Jun-22-11 12:24 PM by AsahinaKimi
Now please throw in a few expletives, and shake your fists in their face, maybe the bullies will back off.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:23 PM
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7. It's about time. As I've been saying, it is no coincidence that the
economic indicators were moving in the right direction before the repukes took congress, and that the indicators are going in the opposite direction since. The repukes know that the only thing that can defeat PBO's reelection is a weak economy and they have no qualms about making that come about.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:10 PM
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63. Imagine the Karma they are bringing on themselves. Really bad.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:24 PM
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8. They've been sabotaging the recovery since before Obama took office
when they were negotiating the stimulus.

it's taken the Dems 2 1/2 years to call the Republicans out on what they've practically admitted to.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:34 PM
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9. True - that's why Dems shouldn't have caved on the stimulus when they had both houses...
They agreed to pack it with tax cuts and took out the infrastructure work that really would've mattered.

Activists were right to go after Blue Dogs for this - too bad the admin. didn't support them.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #9
24. agreed
they should have asked for a trillion & a half stimulus, all infrastructure. Then, negotiated it down from there.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #24
50. PLUS ONE!
You are so right!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #9
49. The Administration should have worked to
help elect more progressive candidates during the primary season. What purpose do blue dogs serve? They are essentially Republicans.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #49
68. Why would this administration want to help elect progressives
when every top level appointment in his administration has been a right wing nut..So does anyone still believe that this "change we can believe in" bullshit..
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #68
83. +1 -- Thank you! It's unbelievable isn't it .... so many who just don't want to see it -- !!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #49
85. Are you saying that you don't know that the Koch Bros funded the DLC?
The Rightwing Koch Bros. Funded the DLC --


http://www.democrats.com/node/7789

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414


The Koch Bros. DLC was harbored within the Dem Party for 20 years --

Did you ever hear ANY Democrat mentioning that?

Koch Bros infiltrated the Dem Party, influencing its agenda/platform, the selection of

its candidates -- including presidential candidates!


:nuke:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 05:37 AM
Response to Reply #85
102. I understand this.
But the Koch Brothers have America's best interest at heart.



















:hide: :sarcasm:
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 04:13 AM
Response to Reply #9
96. +1000 both parties are simply lackeys of the systemic controllers, it's all a false paradigm
I will only respect the US Democrats when they finally vote en masse to end the empiric wars, punish the horrific crimes of the banksters, and enact a truly comparative-advantage based economic model to undo the grievous sins of absolute-advantage globalism that has destroyed the manufacturing base of the USA.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 05:38 AM
Response to Reply #96
103. I'm with you.
Completely.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #96
123. +1000% -- Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime --
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savalez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. Yep.
Edited on Wed Jun-22-11 12:53 PM by savalez
At least they are finally calling them out on record. No turning back now.
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Beavker Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:41 PM
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10. Isn't that all we ask?
Our guys to call out what the other guys are doing to make their job representing us impossible to do? Then, it can be put on the Repug's court to defent what they are doing. I think many GOP voting nimrods would even be pissed (re: recent Town Hall meetings) if they actually knew what these guys were doing.

Maybe they can lie, and use their Corporate, Copyrighted Talking Points...Socialist, Taxing, Un-American...and there minions of self defeating drones will still back them...but PUT IT IN PLAY!

Dems had to defent the complete and common sense defiant BS on Health Care reform, so make them defent the straight forward Facts.

If you'd rather give Lloyd Blankfien another Tax cut and wait for him to hire you with his extra Billions in Tax Free Bonuses instead of investing OUR money directly into the economy, then you will make that decision and live with the Consequences.

Thank You.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:42 PM
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11. Boy I can't wait to see all the major networks lead with this tonight!!!
sarcasm thingy
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #11
28. My thought exactly. Unless the MSM picks this up they might as well be spitting in the wind. (n/t)
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:51 PM
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13. well duh
Durbin upset because neocons aren't playing fair. When have they ever? And for that matter Durbin can take a long walk off a short bridge after his 'bleeding heart liberals' comment. It's getting harder for me to take this finger pointing seriously after so much capitulation. Now what is about to get cut that they're setting us up for? Forgive me..I've become such a cynic.
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:58 PM
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43. reluctant +1 n/t
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 12:52 PM
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14. bout time.. scream it from the rooftops!
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scribble Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 01:10 PM
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15. They get NO POINTS for this ...
because it is WAY TOO LATE to change what the Republicans are doing.

It's almost as if the Democrats wanted to lose.

Old Political trick:

1) Bargain quietly to get money and favors from bad guys.
2) Check with your friends. Make sure support is lined up to pass bad guy legislation.
3) Wait one or two years, so support can solidify.
4) At the last minute, give a speech quietly denouncing bad guys.
5) Go home and campaign as a courageous Progressive.

There isn't a Democrat in the Senate who doesn't do this, every day.


sc
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 01:56 PM
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22. I agree
Also the "bad guy" is in on the whole thing including the last minute flick on the ear. It is to be expected. Perhaps a counter flick is made in the media denouncing the Democrats critique. In that case the Democrat expects it, and in fact the greater these two parties can act like they are at odds with each other the better they look to their constituents.

Nothing will ever change until there is public financing including equal amounts for advertising and a reversal of the appalling Supreme Court decision to allow corporations to spend unlimited amounts to influence results.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #15
31. Al Franken, Herb Kohl... there's a few good ones. Not many.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #15
35. Agreed.
It's too little, too late and will have as much of an effect on rethugs as their claims that dems are socialists have on us i.e. none.
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 06:33 PM
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57. Sing it loud. eom.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #15
121. you are on point
as far as I'm concerned. I am very sceptical and wary of anything they say though. It just seems old and rehashed now (maybe like me! ha!). I swear that I'm still burnt out from '08.
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Gin Blossom Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #15
126. Ouch.
Ouch. Ouch. Where's that lotion to make it stop hurting?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 01:12 PM
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16. THANK YOU!!!! At long last - the truth comes out.
That's EXACTLY what they're doing - these "Country First" assholes. They're trying to destroy our country's economy - by taking down her commander-in-chief. Um... isn't that treason? Certainly seems HORRIBLY anti-American to me! "Country First"????????? In what fantasy universe?
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 03:44 PM
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27. I wrote a thread here recently asking the same question
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1104652

It seems to me that was Osama bin Laden's number one goal, to break the United States by crashing its economy. Some have recently suggested the problem we have had in fighting the war in Afghanistan is our failure to put that fact up front where it belongs when planning our strategy as to how to combat the enemy.

Giving aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war is treasonous. One might ask why is not okay for terrorists sympathetic to bin Laden's goal to commit acts in furtherance of that goal, but it is okay for a domestic political party to do just that.

Some thought my use of that word was just too provocative, but a few did agree. I also asked the question why that exact question was not being asked by mainstream news commentators. At least, can't we shame the Republicans for this unpatriotic act? Yesterday, I was totally thrilled to for the first time to hear Dylan Ratigan ask the question. It was jaw-dropping.

Nice to see you here at DU again, calimary.

Sam
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 12:57 AM
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88. Um, small point here but from what we know Osama bin Laden's
'number one goal' was to re-establish an Islamic Caliphate stretching from Indonesia to Algeria. The United States has had a long and singularly ugly history of supporting brutal dictators in South and Central Asia and the Middle East and OBL's vision of a caliphate meant that the dictators would have to go. Undermining those dictators meant attacking the United States (as the supporter of the proxy regimes). I frankly think OBL could not have cared less whether the U.S. went bust or not, although the U.S.' financial crisis was an unintended consequence of the strategy OBL undertook and sucked us into.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 12:54 AM
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130. Hi Samantha! Thanks! But as to the question - I think we ABSOLUTELY should be putting that out there
AND we should remind everyone of one thing:

Um... last I looked, especially after President Obama's speech last night, we were still at war. THREE of them by now, if I'm not mistaken. So that means, then, that we are At War.

I can't even count the number of times I either heard, or read, or was told to my face that "GASP!!!!! You CAN'T criticize THE PRESIDENT a at a time of WAR!!!!! We're AT WAR!!!! You HAVE TO stand by Our President! To question or criticize is utter TREASON!" Of course they were referring to the immunization of george w. bush from any criticism or reality-checks or accountability of any sort. But now that there's a Democrat in the White House, all bets are off. Whether we're at war or not.

I think it's high time we resurrect all of that and start using it all over everywhere so hopefully the Dylan Ratigans of the world pick up on it, too. It IS treason to try to take down America's economy merely because you're a fucking SORE LOSERMAN and a selfish, greedy, poor-sportsmanship pissant because you didn't get YOUR guy into the White House last time. So you'd rather pout and piss in the pool that the rest of us still have to swim in and patch up after you trashed the whole frickin' back yard. And when OUR guy who DID get into the White House actually started trying to fix things WE IN THE MAJORITY VOTED HIM IN, TO DO, with WAY more votes than your guy got, you made it your mission to take him down - because somehow that was your idea of being a loyal patriotic American. No dice. You're a FUCKING ACCURSED SHITTY-ASS TRAITOR. And IN WARTIME no less.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 01:13 PM
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It's a pity this will never be reported in CorpoMedia©. .
(except with snickers and snark)
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 01:17 PM
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19. Agree. n/t
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 01:13 PM
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17. About time.
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ImNotTed Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 01:17 PM
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18. Spine is a wonderful thing.
Recced.
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 01:25 PM
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20. And the MSM yawns...
How I wish this was the MSMs newest talking point. I won't be happy until this gets the same coverage as Weiner.
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leftyohiolib Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 01:27 PM
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21. omg. when mitch "the bitch" mcconnell said
"our goal is to make president Obama a one term president" what did the dem party think he meant?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 02:44 PM
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25. Some of them thought..
lets help them make it come true..
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 12:13 AM
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86. THAT quote should be at the forefront of every Dem ad!
Followed by lists and quotes about all the legislation Repubs would NOT support.

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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 01:59 PM
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23. Republicans are traitors--loyal to atheist Ayn Rand
While claiming to be Christians.
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 03:54 PM
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30. It's about time, but when will the President speak up?
Or will he simply schedule another "can't-we-all-get-along" golf summit?
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 07:20 AM
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111. You mean like strapping the Kill the Seniors budget proposal to Paul Ryan and the Rethug Party?
By repeating over and over the anecdote of handing the pigs the keys and them driving the country into a ditch?

When will people listen to what the President is actually saying? When will they pay attention to the legislation actually being passed? Why are people letting the media tell them what to think about this President?

:shrug:



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spedtr90 Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:10 PM
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32. But why support less revenue for Social Security when calling them out?
They are right, but they choose to highlight a payroll tax holiday for employers?

It's a tax cut and it will weaken Social Security. That's the one thing Republicans would "give" them!

Adding that to the payroll tax holiday for employees that was part of the Bush tax cut "compromise"/cave in and there goes Social Security. Gee, Social Security is underfunded...we must cut it....
or kill it now.

REALLY? THIS is where they finally take a stand and talk tough???

How about corporate taxes, loopholes, removing the cap on payroll taxes, ... a thousand possibilities. Why this? To look tough this time before they cave???

I was thrilled with the headline...then not so much.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 03:04 AM
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92. The payroll tax cut is a trick -- and it will take us in the wrong direction.
Instead of a payroll tax cut, we need to impose the FICA tax on all income across the board even capital gains income. Obama promised to at least raise the cap on income subject to FICA taxes -- and here he is cutting back on income subject to FICA tax. It is yet another Obama betrayal. It is inexcusable.
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SomeGuyInEagan Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 11:21 AM
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118. + 1. Agreed. n/t
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 03:56 AM
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94. Me too.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:11 PM
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33. Y'don't say!
They want Obama to fail.... to be a 1 term prez!

Where have I heard this before??? Hmmmmmm....


Weren't Repug leaders and spokespeople saying this... out loud... on the air about 2 1/2, 3 years ago?


:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:14 PM
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34. This is what passes for bold? Repeating what they admitted two years ago?
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:23 PM
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36. Name some names, for fuck's sake
You've got nothing to be ashamed of, while they have EVERYTHING to be ashamed of.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:25 PM
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37. If you think the Republicans
won't wreck the economy for political advantage, I assure you they have already done much worse. Consider Nixon and the 1968 Paris Peace Talks, Reagan and the Iran Hostage Crisis, Reagan and Bush Sr's.cocaine epidemic to finance the Contra War in El Salvador and the Bush/Cheney WMD charade. It would be unfair not to mention the complicity of leading Democrats in all of this and the infamous the bank bailout fiasco.

Now, the Dems want to temporarily reduce (eliminate)business payroll taxes and the Republicans oppose it! What exquisite irony.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:29 PM
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38. Agree. The GOP will block every attempt at progress ... but....
the DEMS brought this on themselves. Dems controlled both houses and the White House.. and they pissed it away by caving to the Repukes.

Obama's choice of financial advisor's was the worst that could have been imagined. And his decision to surge the war was over the top stupid.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:39 PM
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39. It's about damned time.
Now they need to repeat it over and over and more loudly.
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Harriety Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:52 PM
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40. It's about time they shout it from the rafters!
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SleeplessinSoCal Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:53 PM
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41. I fear we are hollering into the wind.
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Corruption Winz Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:55 PM
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42. All true, true, true. nt. k/r.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:58 PM
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44. more bullshit "Good cop, bad cop" stuff.
The Democrats have collaborated, and in some cases led the current disastrous economic policymaking of the past 2 years, and now they want to blame Republicans? Disingenuous at best.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 04:58 PM
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45. good
Because it is true.
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oldbanjo Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 05:01 PM
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46. Sanders and some others have been saying this but no one was listening.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 05:02 PM
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47. Kick
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Roy Rolling Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 05:31 PM
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51. It's about effin time
They have stalled on everything---that is their strategy. When in power, load up with idealogical appointees. When out of power, stall until back in power and then push a right-wing agenda on behalf of their handlers.
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julian09 Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 05:42 PM
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52. I've said this many times
seem odd that Durban is just now catching on. The banks ARE NOT lending for the same reason, to make Obama a one term president. It was and is so obvious. It is time for all the progressives to stand up and demonstrate the facts that support the charge that the re pugs are interfering with any and ALL attempts to create jobs.
They should raise the awareness of this issue; as this is why the economy is stagnant and make people realize, why we are where we are. It is about lending and creating job incentives for employers. Msnbc can only do so much with its' limited viewers. It's time for the dems to take the fight public and mainstream . There are 17 months to make the case and let people know why jobs are not being created.:banghead:
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 06:07 PM
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53. It's their job, isnt it? Oh wait, no, its not.
Speaking about the GOP, not the Dems
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 06:08 PM
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54. Let's hope it's the first of many n/t
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 06:13 PM
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55. but an ignored talk radio monopoly of 1000 radio stations ensures there is no bully pulpit for dems
any traction dems get in the media can be yelled over 24/7 until it goes away. or maybe a wiener to distract the public.

until the left starts getting in limbaugh and sons collective radio assface they're just going to keep playing backup.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 06:20 PM
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56. It's easy to see why the republicans need this presidency to fail.
Edited on Wed Jun-22-11 06:28 PM by juajen
If Obama is in for an additional four years, it's possible that two things might or should happen: Clarence Thomas will be chased off the Supreme Court; and/or one of the Justices will die and Obama will be able to appoint the next Justice. This is, of course, in addition to the fact that they do not want control of this country wrested from their grimy hands. of course, even if Obama gets to appoint a Justice, the pugs will do all they can to keep him from being confirmed. I get so mad when I remember how easy it was for Alito and Roberts to get confirmed. There was hardly a murmur. Why do we always lie down and let them mow over us. It is unbelievable unless we believe that our people are being bribed and swayed with whatever. OMG, I really do not want to believe this, but it's getting harder and harder to explain their acquiesence.
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on point Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 06:36 PM
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58. Is that a bit of backbone we see developing???
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 07:00 PM
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59. Lets have an old fashioned Weiner style beatdown. Or Grayson even.
Edited on Wed Jun-22-11 07:00 PM by WingDinger
I am ready to see some skirmishes. I'll have their backs. I wish the woe is me crowd was there for them as they need the support.
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savannah43 Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 07:05 PM
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60. Isn't this the exact same thing that Vitter is being accused of
currently? They won't approve anything at all that BHO wants unless he does as they say. It's at least extortion. If he does as they say, they'll throw him a bone. That's bribery. The ethics investigation should begin immediately. Take the entire GOP down along with the Blue Dog Dems.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 07:58 PM
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61. Though I am SO very glad to hear this...
I wait with baited breath to see the impact it will have.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:09 PM
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62. The news shows will report it if we write them en masse
We must group together and insist they report this. And as one commenter said (under the article), DEMOCRATS, TAKE IT TO THE SUNDAY MORNING TALK SHOWS!
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irisblue Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 09:03 PM
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69. the ed show is
gonna cover this point tonight. watching the show now...geez, how/why is this not an obvious point?
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 11:54 AM
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122. Oh shoot. I missed it. Well, I hope other programs focus on this. nt
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:35 PM
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64. About effing time
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:42 PM
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65. Encouraging. However,
I'll really take heart only if they press and PRESS HARD on the vermin. Idle talk really is cheap.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:52 PM
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66. "...blocking all short-term measures to boost the economy..."
....we need to return to traditional American values, but first, we have to arrest and execute some Republicans....
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:52 PM
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67. So we are happy that the Thugs oppose a business giveaway that Dems support?
Sorry, but Schumer can eat it for wanting another giveaway to corporations while ignoring the real suffering of the masses.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 09:04 PM
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70. As usual a little late. All during the bush regime they were screaming that Democrats were not
"real" Americans, calling it the "democrat" party, etc., and for the most part the Democrats were very passive

It is way past due that they start calling these thugs out

I hope it isn't too late



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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 09:35 PM
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71. If this is the Democratic Party message for the 2012 elections, we're in deep shit.
To independents, hearing the D.P. blame all the problems on sabotage will smell like flop sweat.

Whether it's true or not doesn't matter. You learn in PoliSci 101 which messages and themes can electrify voters across the spectrum, and this ain't it.

But it does at least feel good to call out those bastards. :)
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 03:59 AM
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95. The Democrats can win easily
if they play the populist route. Problem is, that is no longer a goal.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 09:37 PM
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72. We have known this from the beginning. Hope all these Dems fought to end the Bush top tax cuts.
Hope none of them supported the amazing 2-year extension of those cuts, especially in combination with the only one year extension of unemployment benefits.

2 yrs Supply Side

1 yr Demand Side

= really foolish.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 09:48 PM
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73. Ed shultz just said ReTHUG governors aren't even spending the stimulus money
The last thing they want is for people to have jobs. God how I hate Republicans!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 03:07 AM
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93. He is right. High unemployment makes qualified workers cheap
and lowers overall wages. That's what Republicans want -- cheap labor, poor neighbors, poverty for others. And why? Because it makes them feel richer, more successful, more deserving. It isn't really about the glitzy stuff they can buy. It is about shoring up their minuscule self-esteem. And their low self-esteem is understandable considering their lack of human values. How can you value yourself if you don't value others -- and vice versa.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 09:49 PM
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74. Letter of apology in 3, 2, 1...
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 10:22 PM
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75. The GOP needs a shitty economy to get elected, they know this.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 10:23 PM
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76. They wouldn't have sabotaged it if Dems had gone after Bushco in 2009
I can't help feeling they gave their power away.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 11:50 PM
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81. They didn't give it away, they sold it.
:hi:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 10:34 PM
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77. They drag out the spines and wear them when they think their jobs are in danger.
As soon as they feel secure, they whip them off again.

I'm not convinced it's not just more kabuki theater.
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Guilded Lilly Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 10:54 PM
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78. Dems...stayed pissed and get specific!!!!
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 10:56 PM
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79. The new Democratic "spine" isn't connected to a brain.
The Democrats are correct that the "temporary" payroll tax is a Republican idea. It's one of the least effective job creation tools available- its main impact would be to hand companies more cash to sit on. It also offers the Republicans another tax policy hostage and, above all, it smells like yet another attempt by the administration to weaken Social Security and strengthen the case for "entitlement reform."

The only thing more repulsive than the sight of Democrats offering up this supply side/trickle down bullshit is the sound of their whining that the Republicans won't go along with it. It is ridiculous to expect the Republicans to endorse this "Republican idea" for at least two reasons: 1) they know it won't work as a job creation tool, and 2) if they "compromise" and agree to allow the adoption of their own idea, they will own part of the inevitable failure.
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RyanPsych Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 11:36 PM
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80. FINALLY
It only took them 3 years to find some balls
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 12:06 AM
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82. Right ... while Democrats continue to let the FED Reserve set our economic policy -- !!!
Who's kidding whom?


:nuke:
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 12:09 AM
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84. Let's see how long they keep this up. I hope it lasts but I doubt it does.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 05:52 AM
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105. I think this is going to be a cornerstone of 2012's campaign.
I think it was originally going to be tax cuts, jobs and the economy, but since the tax cut "compromise" (which all by itself ruined Republican chances next election), the Republicans have helpfully added health care reform, preserving Medicare and Social Security, union representation, womens' rights, and this, tanking the economy for political gain.

Immigration has been quietly strangled by going after employers rather than individuals, which is not only working but which denies Republicans their traditional, dishonest position on the issue. The usual summer fuel price gouging also appears to have been dialed back under threat of investigation (but we'll see about that). Abortion is now right up there with segregation as political hari-kiri, but some Republicans will be unable to help going back to that poisoned well and will drag their brand-name with them.

In the meantime, Bush-appointed attorneys are already starting to resign, suggesting that this time next year there will also be a massive Bush-era political corruption scandal unraveling.

The genius of President Obama, which is now the genius of our party, is to identify the pivot-point upon which each of these issues turns, and force the Republicans to sacrifice political gain in order to protect their stance on the issue. Each of these issues turns on greed, and the GOP simply cannot change their positions, so they will defend them and lose.

500 electoral votes and control of both houses seems feasible to me at this point. Laugh at me now, because you'll be laughing with me then.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 12:27 AM
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87. It's about frickin' time. And now, if the M$M would cover it, we might get somewhere
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lfairban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 01:32 AM
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89. !
Be still, my beating heart! :loveya:
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 01:59 AM
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90. K&R...........I really want to see the Dems do this more often.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 02:36 AM
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91. I need to hear it many times daily and a whole lot LOUDER!
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oldbanjo Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 04:19 AM
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97. Once they prove it they should take them to Gitmo.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 04:28 AM
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98. What's the saying "if you wrestle with a pig......"
This will come to naught.

While the Dems are absolutely correct, it comes to nothing if the message does not go out, is received (and understood).

But, perhaps a start.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 04:41 AM
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99. The party of NO has been doing this all along. K + R n/t
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 05:18 AM
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100. it's 6:17 am edt 6-23-11
nothing about this on the front page at msnbc.com
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oldbanjo Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 05:21 AM
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101. The whole problem is the News Media
For months now I have seen Senators make this complaint but the Media lets it die because Weiners weiner and Palin are more important than Republicans sabotaging our Country. The News Media is what forced Weiner out and also lets Republicans do what they want and stay in, it also is what is making Palin look like a candidate, she is a DA from Alaska, she's a little bit smarter that an Eskimo so she was made Gov.
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spicegal Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 05:38 AM
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104. The GOP will claim that it's all about deficit reduction, and the
MSM will give them a pass. The GOP has been playing this game from the beginning while they fill the airway with lies. Durbin has it absolutely correct. Their number one priority is and always has been "putting Obama out of work". And to that end, they don't care how much suffering they cause.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 06:00 AM
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106. Maybe some of the sheep will wake up now.
I know Americans don't pay attention to important things any more, but maybe this will get a few people thinking about what harm the republicans are doing to us!
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oldbanjo Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 06:33 AM
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107. The second people hear what they want to hear they stop listening.
For instance the rich are paying 35% in taxes, but after all the deductions they are paying less than the poor are. If someone wants to support the Republicans they only hear the rich are paying 35% taxes and say that the Republicans are right about not raising the taxes on the rich.
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 07:13 AM
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109. 2 years too late...
the damage has been inflicted, why was this not on the "Dems" radar before the 2010 election?? Why didn't they make the Bush tax cut extension before said election the noose that choked the life out of the extremist party?? Why have we lost strong liberal/progressives like Grayson/Fiengold & Wiener with little fight from Dem leadership??

I fear the answer to all these, but as time passes and I become even more politically aware - one can only come up with one logical conclusion.. collusion

JMO - and I am not happy about it (my opinion).
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 07:18 AM
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110. This reads as complete bullshit to me.
I'm disappointed at how many are cheering it here.

Is there ANYONE here who honestly believes the major (or even one major) problem with the recovery is that employers aren't being given a break from paying taxes??

How are we letting democrats get away with that - how are we supporting the idea that the economy would get better if citizens instead of corporations shouldered more of the tax burden? And how are we letting them ignore that the FAR bigger problem is that we are gutting our budget to pay for unwinnable and unnecessary wars?
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 07:41 AM
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112. The Koch Bros have seen to this
They are pulling the strings. Have been for years.
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NikRik Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 08:38 AM
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113. Has this not been a on going problem within our goverment ?
So much time and money wasted on partasian politics.When the job our elected officials are getting paid to do go undone. I believe both parties are guilty of this however the repugs are by far the biggest offenders with the large corperations who have billions at stake helping the repuglicians to stall and stop any effective tax reform.So sad that so many have to suffer over the greed of a few !
IMHO,NikRik
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Maineman Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 09:21 AM
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114. Keep shouting it. Republicans and their corporate collegues got voters to vote for cliches,
then when Republicans actually started doing their thing, people learned the actual implications of those cliches. Kill the middle class, kill the economy, kill democracy. Put the wealthy few in charge.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 09:37 AM
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115. and cantor pulling out of the budget talks only goes to exemplify their bullshit
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 09:45 AM
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116. Only one hundred late with this one!
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 09:55 AM
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117. IMO this seems like what the republicans in elected office have been doing
and I find it repugnant.
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daggahead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 12:24 PM
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125. Sounds like they now know what a spine is ...
... now they need to find theirs. Looks like this is an epiphany.

NOW DO SOMETHING!

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JDHight Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 05:04 PM
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129. It's about time
It's about time that Democrats stood up to the Republicans on
their obstructing legislation that would aid the economy. 
Hopefully they will continue calling them out.  Personally, I
am tired of the meekness of the Democratic Party.  It's time
that they grow a pair and stand up to the likes of Cantor,
McConnell, Kyle, Boner, and others.  It would be a sure way to
regain the majority in the House and expand the majority in
the Senate.  The Rethuglicans are supporting many unpopular
issues, and Democrats need to bring them to light.
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John Paul Jones Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 01:30 PM
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131. Yeah, that ought to create a few million jobs or so....
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