Super Bowl hero warns of 'anarchy,' if NY approves gay marriage

[t0dd]

Source: CNN

(CNN) -- Former New York Giants receiver David Tyree's celebrated catch in the closing seconds of Super Bowl XLII was pivotal to his team's victory. Now out of football, he is trying to claim another last-minute win over another foe -- same-sex marriage.
On the same day that the New York State Assembly approved a same-sex marriage bill, Tyree warned of dire consequences if the legislation becomes law.
The bill's passage would "be the beginning of our country sliding toward ... anarchy," he said
Tyree made the comments in a video released Wednesday by the National Organization for Marriage, which is spearheading opposition to the bill, which also must clear the Republican-controlled State Senate where its fate is uncertain.
His disapproval of gay marriage is based on religious as well as secular grounds, Tyree said.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/16/new.york.gay.marriage.tyree/

[Ichingcarpenter]

1. 'mirrors the relationship with God',....... ?

There is so much hubris in that statement that I'd be here
for weeks explain how much hubris it is.


The Gods on Mount Olympus most be laughing

[muriel_volestrangler]

3. I can't work out what it means either; but, if it did, then shouldn't everyone have access to it?

If he thinks marriage 'mirrors the relationship with God', then clearly it's not about physical sex - I can't see any public figure claiming sex is like their relationship with God. So if he thinks marriage has an emotional/spiritual/moral equivalent in the way he relates to God, shouldn't that be available to everyone, regardless of the gender of people involved?

[ET Awful]

6. As I said below . . . the God he is referring to is most often portrayed as being a male.

And the original human relationship was Adam and God, so . . . . nah, it's too ridiculous :evilgrin:

[Frank Cannon]

14. How the Bible describes marriage...

[No Elephants]

23. Actually, the bible says very little about marriage.

Pastors say a lot about what the bible says about marriage, but they are pulling that stuff out of their ear.

[Arugula Latte]

42. Not to mention the Bible is a stupid book to base anything on.

A book of stories and myths from 2,000 years ago -- we're supposed to go by that? I don't think so.

[boppers]

82. Have an interview and a book suggestion:

http://www.npr.org/2011/03/10/133245874/unprotected-texts-the-bible-on-sex-and-marriage

[HillWilliam]

38. Mrs Betty Bowers (America's Best Christian) explains it all

http://youtu.be/OFkeKKszXTw

[Zoeisright]

51. That is FABULOUS! Could you start another thread with that graphic?

I need to recommend it.

[USA_1]

72. Sarah Wife of Abraham

The Bible also shows Sarah selecting mistresses and concubines for her husband as part of their marriage arrangement as well. In the New Testament St Peter said for women to follow her example and to call their husband ''master'' - 1 Peter 3:6.

[Wabbajack_]

74. 700 wives and 300 concubines for Soloman?

Odd proportion.

[MountainLaurel]

75. Love this! n/t

[roguevalley]

73. in the beginning God had a wife, Ashorah (Misspelled. Dumped her

from the litergy when men took over and what a great ride that was.)

[BlueIris]

2. Bring on the anarchy, then.

I can't wait to see all the happily married same sex folks in New York, and other states.

[ET Awful]

4. So Mr. Tyree . . . . It would appear that you are . . . how can I put this delicately?

Black.

Now, there was once a long-standing institution in this country called slavery to which you would likely have fallen victim at the time. There was an influential minority (called abolitionists) who fought to alter that long-standing institution. But I gather that's different in your eyes right?

There was also a long-standing tradition of anti miscegenation laws which were changed by an influential minority. I'm sure that's different in your eyes as well right?

There was also a long-standing tradition of segregation both in everyday life and in sports which would have directly effected your current livelihood, but that was also changed by an influential minority.

As to your "Mirrors the relationship with God" statement. . . . Now, God (at least the God you refer to) is most often portrayed as male. Now the first human relationship with God was via Adam according to the Bible. I'll let you puzzle that one out yourself :) :) :)

[novealphtang]

5. If the nation legalized Gay Marriage, I guarantee Utah would secede the next day

This guy must be very religious. Christians literally believe it's a sin and from the devil, so no wonder they are worried.look forward to Christians blaming every disaster here on out in the fact gays can marry...

[eShirl]

8. You are talking about some Christians, not all.

[AlbertCat]

47. You are talking about some Christians, not all.

Well, then, you "good" Christians had better shut up the "bad" ones 'cause you both get your ideas from the same place... and I don't have the time or inclination to deal with any it. It's up to you.

[LAGC]

10. Westboro Baptist has done more to forward gay rights than all progressive churches combined.

By making total asses out of themselves and becoming pariahs even to most ultra-conservative Christian groups with their anti-American, anti-military rhetoric, its only made many of them soften their own anti-gay rhetoric and quit making such a public spectacle out of it. The backlash the Mormon Church has received ever since it spear-headed California's Proposition 8, is going to have repercussions for decades to come.

The oppressors will lose, just like they did when slavery ended. In 100 years, I doubt you'll be able to find a mainstream Christian church that condemns homosexuality any more.

Society marches on, that ever-evolving moral zeitgeist, etc...

[Raster]

19. and quite frankly, it would be no big loss.

[Bluenorthwest]

27. How did it work when bigot states seceded last time?

Utah would not last a week as an independent, land locked, in bred nation. Let them weep and wail and stomp their widdle footsies!

[bitchkitty]

59. No, they wouldn't.

The Mormons might condemn it on the surface, but they wouldn't secede. They would get together and dream up a "revelation" then capitalize on it.

[murielm99]

61. Not all Christians believe that.

And many of us are trying to change our churches from the inside.

Stop broadbrushing Christians.

[Critters2]

62. Many of us belong to churches that already support lgbt people. nt

[name not needed]

65. You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Honeycombe8]

80. I wonder if that would mean, then, that gay men would have multiple "wives" in Utah?

Like straight men there have multiple wives. If gay marriage were legalized, then the gay men could do that, too?:think:

[dimbear]

7. Somebody remind me. Was his position drawback-- or throwback?n/t

[davepc]

9. As a longtime Giants seaston ticket holder....

Fuck you David.

[leftynyc]

17. Another Giant fan here

And I join you in cursing him.

[no_hypocrisy]

11. What if it were a widower raising a daughter or a widow raising a son?

He also argued that same-sex parents are ill-equipped to raise a child of the opposite sex.

"You can't teach something that you don't have," Tyree said in the video. "So two men will never be able to teach a woman how to be a woman."

[okasha]

56. Translation:

Two gay men will be unlikely to teach their daughter she must submit to my lordly masculine self, even if I beat the hell out of her, ruin the family financially and abuse the kids.

[SouthernLiberal]

58. It never fails

Whenever 'good Christians' get worked up over homosexual relationships, they start spouting claims that are not only hatefull, but also apply to many heterosexual relationships.

This guy claims that children must be raised by a parent of the same sex, happily insulting many fine heterosexual single parents who raise children of the opposite sex just fine. Or perhaps he really does mean that sons should be taken away from widows and daughters from widowers.

I suspect, though, that he just hasn't thought about it. Just like they never thought about childless heterosexual couples when they announced that marriage is only for procreation.

I used to think that I had no interest in the marriage debate. Then, I realized that the same logic used to argue against gay marriage would also make mine invalid. Since then, I am a strong supporter of gay marriage.

[webDude]

12. "Homophobic Men Most Aroused by Gay Male Porn"-DU(see link here).

He must be very Knowledgeable, he catches the ball real good. Why do we give these guys a soap box? Way too much credence given to them.

Methinks you protest too much;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1293566

[Zoeisright]

52. [phone]

It's about time we called these homophobe assholes out.

[a la izquierda]

13. You know what, I prefer Sean Avery's stance.

Fuck Tyree.

[Hubert H. Hubert]

15. 'Hero' and 'Super Bowl' don't belong in the same sentence

So you caught a fucking leather-covered inflated prolate spheroid.

:slowclap:


Yes, Mr. Tyree, your football-catching prowess is so mind-blowingly amazing that I have no choice but to accept the fact that if dudes are allowed to marry every atom in the known universe will spontaneously dissociate into an orgy of raw Satan-fueled dark energy.


Or not.


Meanwhile, good luck with your mission to strip all single fathers of custody of their daughters because they "will never be able to teach a woman how to be a woman." :crazy:

[Unvanguard]

16. Uh-huh.

:eyes:

[Botany]

18. He no longer has a job in the NFL so he is going for ....

.... the "A loving God wants me to hate teh Gays crowd" so he can scam some money from
them talking about his faith and how he walks w/ the Lord now.

[Raster]

21. ....send in the clowns....

...or lions...

[harmonicon]

20. why on earth is this in the news?

This is just some guy's opinion. He doesn't hold political office, does he? When will CNN start covering things that I say?

[Iggo]

22. Are you a better than average football catcher?

No!

[No Elephants]

25. If he had pronounced on football, it may have been newsworthy, but this? No.

[harmonicon]

34. I doubt it - I've never really tried.

I'm great at drinking bourbon though.

[Iggo]

39. Nice!

:toast:

[No Elephants]

24. Thank God I don't get my religion or philosophy or much else from has been football players.

Why the hell is CNN treating the pronouncements of this guy as somehow important?

Our alleged news media gets worse every day. Tho it seems hardly possible that they could get worse, they manage.

[Ian David]

26. It's simple...

[LetTimmySmoke]

69. Phase 2 is legalizing pot.

But don't let anyone know I told you. Freeper eyes are everywhere.

[LibertyLover]

28. OK Mr. Tyree, I get it. You are a fundamentalist Christian who doesn't

approve that another minority group you have little in common with has an agenda to obtain their civil rights. So, what say we ditch the laws from the 1960s that confirmed the civil rights of African-Americans. You know, a minority group with an agenda that enabled them to claim their civil rights. Let's see how you like sitting in the back of the bus or eating in segregated restaurants or drinking from water fountains labeled "Negros Only". I'd only do it for a year or so, enough to give you a taste of what our gay and lesbian fellow citizens experience every damned day. It's not nice, it's not fair and it will eventually not stand.

[HockeyMom]

41. You can add marrying a white woman to that list

He could have been thrown in jail for that too back in the 50s. Having a child with that woman? An affront to God since he created separate races. That actually WAS an argument in the Loving v. Virginia case.

This was what you get from "religion", and bigots. It's nothing new.

[LibertyLover]

44. So true -

I had forgotten about the old miscegenation laws. You'd think since I work in DC, only a river's width from Virginia, that I would have remembered about Loving v. Virginia, but I've been working on a Sri Lankan power of attorney and Philippines stock exchange rules today.

[Bluenorthwest]

29. It is a poison culture

the culture of sports. Another hateful hero of the American Sports Fan.

[Rebubula]

31. Wow

what a bullshit broadbrush attack.

Yes...some people take it too seriously - but most see it as simply another distraction in the walk of life - like Dog Shows, movies, poetry slams etc....

[Bluenorthwest]

40. Show me statements like that from the dog show crowd.

Or poetry slams. There are none.
Of course I have sports fans in my life, and I've known slightly some of the major legends sports fans love, Mickey Mantel, Kareem, very nice people. Mantel talked about books.
So yeah, the culture has major problems, anyone who loved sports would care about that and look to it with great attention. I said the culture is poison. And it is. It does not have to be. But it is. The fans and the players could change that culture. If they cared to. The sports wold changed the sickness in their culture previously, as it used to be 'whites only'. You know that. I know that. There was change. Would you argue with me if I said the 'whites only era' was an expression of a poison culture in the world and in sports? I think it was. It changed. The culture changed. To a great degree, the fans themselves made those changes. I suggest that change could happen again, and perhaps the sports world might find more balance, and cease with what seems to be nearly weekly horrors.
The bigotry is not there because nature put it there, it is there because sports culture currently allows it to be there. Just as they used to hire only whites, sports culture is capable of bad shit. Just as they changed that bigoted policy, they could change again, and they would if the fans made that a priority.
So yeah, broad brush, no one is responsible for anything, not the player, nor the fans, not the owners or the sports casters.
I say change happens where change is made. Sport culture is slow to change, but also famous for its changes. That culture is at a cross roads.

[Bill McBlueState]

33. I bet you said the same thing when Michael Strahan spoke out, right?

Strahan, also a former football player for the Giants, spoke out in support of marriage equality.

http://gothamist.com/2011/06/10/michael_strahan_supports_marriage_e.php

[SemperEadem]

sounds like this twerp doesn't have enough to do with his spare time

Our country is sliding towards anarchy because groups like this one he's wh0ring himself before are creating divisiveness.

United we stand; divided we fall. Those words mean something.

He no longer plays professional football. His value is worthless now. Enough said.

[Ikonoklast]

30. Who said what now?

Just another knucklehead that got a soapbox because he could run fast and catch things in a previous occupation.

Too bad he doesn't use whatever notoriety he has to help people instead of hurting them.

[Bill McBlueState]

32. "beginning of ... anarchy"

Yeah, the nation could handle five states with same-sex marriage, but add a sixth, and it's hell in a handbasket.

[Maeve]

35. Yeah, wild weddings will break out all over...rampaging florists

:eyes:

[TygrBright]

36. "Dogs and cats... living together... Mass hysteria!!" n/t

[Stratosgc]

37. Why is this guy who is only proficient at catching footballs and expert

We have washed up football player and a Catholic Arch-Bishop claiming that the world will come to an end if gays are allowed the same rights as heterosexuals. That puts them in the same catagory as that wacco preacher from California predicting the end of world. Not surprising considering the level of critical thought those two are capable of.

[bongbong]

43. Anarchy?

There is near-anarchy anytime a repig gets into a position of power in America, and that doesn't seem to stop the sheep & corporate tools from voting for them.

[ej510]

45. Brotha please, he like a lot of brothas do not want all of the undercover brothas

to come out of the closet.

[sarcasmo]

46. More religious stupidity.

[AlbertCat]

48. Super Bowl hero ....

... a stupid, duped religious rube. and no hero at all. (after all, a dog can catch a ball)

[robcon]

49. Who cares what a football player thinks? Why is this Latest Breaking News?

n/t

[KansDem]

50. Mr. Tyree's comments do not interest me in the slightest...

But then, unlike my fellow Americans, I've never been able to worship fellow mortals...

[Warrior Dash]

53. Oh boy...

[dmallind]

54. WHAT secular grounds?

Buggered (pun intended) if I can think of any against gay marriage.

[Jansen]

55. I'm curious what was meant by that too.

I don't think I've ever heard 'secular grounds' advanced as an argument against marriage equality before.

[JackRiddler]

57. sliding... anarchy... sliding... anarchy... sliding... ANARCHY! Oh! Oh! Oh God! Oh! Oh! Oh!

David needs himself some gay marriage, pretty bad.

[TroglodyteScholar]

60. There's nothing heroic about chasing around a fucking ball for a living. n/t

[Critters2]

63. Where did he get his degrees in theology and social ethics? nt

[Dawson Leery]

64. And your average dog too can catch a ball.

[devilgrrl]

66. Another dimwitted fanny patting misogynous jock that makes an obscene amount of cash.

What an asshole.

[SomeGuyInEagan]

67. I really, really like professional football, and even I don't give a damn what he says.

Why the fuck does CNN?

[CatholicEdHead]

68. So, where do we meet in NY to start the rioting?

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[Permanut]

70. Give him a break, people...

He's clearly an expert at handling balls.

:sarcasm:

Great comments in this thread about how we see an accomplished athlete as somehow an expert at just about everything. Maybe we have a hero worship gene that just kicks in, well, whenever. As a lifelong NFL fan, I have never given a rip what the players have to say about anythng but football. Okay, except for the funny commercials.

[Nossida]

71. Whatever

As if intelligent people care what a
Football player thinks to begin with.
Just play with your ball and leave the
Social Engineering to your Homophobic
republican/christofascist Politicians.

[VA_Jill]

76. drain bamage?

Tyree has apparently taken too many hits to the head. He had best stick to what he knows, which *might* be playing football, and stay out of things that are beyond his understanding.

[Name removed]

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[Garbo 2004]

78. Oh noes, what next? Cats & dogs living together? (h/t Ghostbusters). This guy hit in the head much

during his pro career or does he come by his ignorance and bigotry naturally?

[krabigirl]

79. lol..why don't people like this move to an island somewhere?? they could have their theocracy.

[saras]

81. Another brain-damaged bigot spouts off - at least he has an excuse for his brain damage

[Lil Missy]

83. Sounds like Tyree went to practice too many times without his helmet. n/t

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

84. Michael Strahan vs one guy who made one catch

Wow. What a counter.