Obama: 'I would resign' in Weiner's situation

[RamboLiberal]

Source: MSNBC

In an exclusive interview with TODAY’s Ann Curry that will air on Tuesday’s show, President Barack Obama said that if he were Democratic Congressman Anthony Weiner right now, he would resign in the wake of the scandal in which Weiner admitted to sending explicit photos of himself to women online.

“I can tell you that if it was me, I would resign,’’ Obama told Curry.

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“When you get to the point where, because of various personal distractions, you can't serve as effectively as you need to, at the time when people are worrying about jobs, and their mortgages, and paying the bills — then you should probably step back,’’ Obama said.

Obama added that what Weiner did was “highly inappropriate’’ and that he has “embarrassed himself” and his wife and family, but said it will ultimately come down to a decision by Weiner and his constituents as to whether he will continue in office.



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[leveymg]

1. Mr. President. What if you were Clarence Thomas?

There are some thoughts better left unexpressed and questions that might be better left unanswered. That goes for Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, as well as Anthony Weiner.

[Octafish]

23. 11 Democrats voted to confirm the guy.

Eleven.

[nilram]

122. Or Senator Vitter?

[LAGC]

2. Obama is clearly more pragmatic than Weiner.

He knows he'd be doing more harm than good to Democratic prospects in 2012 by stubbornly staying on and continuing to poison the well.

[DJ13]

3. How is Weiner damaging the party?

If his district still supports him, why would he matter to Democrats in Iowa or California?

[LAGC]

5. Just the usual guilt by association.

Organizations that don't police themselves, tend to not do very well in the long-haul.

If we want to be able to talk about the moral failings of the likes of Clarence Thomas, we don't need all this extra baggage on our own side.

[Fearless]

11. Clarence Thomas committed tax fraud! That's way beyond ethical debates

Surrounding Democrats. He broke the law by not revealing his wife's income on their tax returns. Our Democratic Congressman sent photos of himself to consenting adults. Apples and oranges. Obama wants him to quit because he is afraid that it will be thrown back at the party's vulnerable members in the next election. What he fails to realize is that this will be a non-factor, if as the plan is, his district is absorbed and he doesn't run. Any candidate who has a republican bring that up just has to remind him or her that there are more important things like the economy and jobs to discuss. The more scathing the comeback, the better.

[former9thward]

27. You are misstating the Thomas matter.

His wife's income was reported on their tax returns so he did not commit tax fraud. What he is accused of doing is not reporting that income on judicial disclosure forms which are a completely different animal. One is criminal the other is civil.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

39. One is criminal the other is civil. If I'm not mistaken, they're BOTH declarations..

... subject to perjury laws.

[former9thward]

43. He did not commit tax fraud which is what the poster said.

No sane person thinks that. That is why the Democratic leadership has not taken up this cause.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

50. I was just commenting that he probably committed criminal perjury.

I understand no tax fraud is alleged (at this point).

I'm not aware if their returns are public knowledge but one would hope someone in the IRS took a peek when the payment amounts were released.

[No Elephants]

93. Isn't the basic point that what Thomas did is a lot more serious than what Weiner did?

And is a governmental matter, not primarily a family matter? After all, perjury was a serious enough matter for Republicans to impeach a sitting President of the United States.

I agree with you 100% that getting the underlying facts right is important, but it's also important to note the forest as well as the trees.


And. with all due respect, I doubt you are in a position to know why the Democratic leadership has not taken up the matter of Thomas's failure to disclose (or recuse).

[former9thward]

114. Are you implying they have taken it up and are keeping it secret?

That would be very strange. I haven't seen the Thomas forms so I don't know if he did what many posters say. I doubt they have examined them either. I am not going to make proclamations based on what is said here by people who don't know the law. But if it was as serious as many here claim there would be many in Congress talking about it.

[leveymg]

89. Falsifying the judicial disclosure form was also criminal, 5 USC Sec. 104, 1 yr in prison, $50K fine

Not entirely different animals at all, particularly since he criminally falsified these forms at least five years running. He's facing serious jail time if he were indicted. That statute calls for criminal as well as civil penalties, which include referral to the Judicial Conference of the United States to commence Impeachment.

[No Elephants]

92. Perjury is criminal, though. And failure to recuse is a violation of judicial ethics.

Both seem a lot more serious to me than sexting women who are sexting you.

[No Elephants]

90. Cough President Clinton cough.

[HighLowRoller87]

8. EXACTLY DJ

I don't know why but I just have this bad feeling he just may resign. :(

[sasha031]

9. when you look at the lunatics representing states in the country

seriously.... I can't stand watching CSpan anymore, there are some very demented in people in the Beltway.

Weiner has issues no doubt, but compared to many he his the poster boy for sanity.

[JohnnyLib2]

17. Probably most or all Dem. representatives are facing hard questions on the topic.

The closest one to my area certainly is (via various media asking for a statement) and the talk radio host going right after the subject. AW has put them all in a tough spot for now and for an unknown period of time.

[No Elephants]

94. What's so hard about being asked for a statement on Weiner? Seems a lot easier

than having to explain why so many Americans are unemployed.

Just say you have no personal knowledge of the matter other than what the general public has and therefore comment by you would add nothing. And your focus is on serving the people of your district.


Or something.


If you can't answer a question about Weiner, how qualified are you to be a U.S. legislator anyway?

Didn't people run having to answer questions about Genifer Flowers, then about Bubba's bjs in the Oval Office, the lawsuit against him for sexual harassment, his perjury and his impeachment? This would be a piece of cake by comparison.

[JohnnyLib2]

97. I think human nature for some would be annoyance toward AW.

It may not be a big factor, but annoyance can come into play in committee work, deal-making, the day to day grind of legislating.

Time will tell.

[fascisthunter]

121. yeah, real tough

give me a break

[Versailles]

13. Here''s the problem...

Weiner made the issue a scandal himself, not by taking crotch shots of himself and sending them to women, but by lying about it. If he'd just stood up and said "Yeah, I sent pictures to women who are adults and I got caught. My wife and I will work out this issue on our own. Wanna make something of it?" and then let the media just run with it however they wanted, he'd be fine. The Repugs would be tying themselves into knots trying to make an issue of it. But now he opened the floodgates and they don't have to try to make "sexting" a criminal offense (a losing battle) and they can make it all about his willingness to lie and blame others.

In the current situation, I'd probably resign. But then again, I wouldn't have put myself into a situation where I could be attacked for lying.

[LAGC]

Precisely.

Its not the cyber-sex that did him in, but his own refusal to man up to it from the get-go, instead of denying it for 10 days and causing the media to make a spectacle out of him.

[Versailles]

21. I don't want him to resign...

Because I think he's a wonderful congressman. I am pissed and ashamed for listing him as one of heroes because he let me down. I went to bat for him against some of the vicious republicans around here and now I look stupid. My credibility is damaged for backing him...and I'm a nobody. The Dems that are calling for his head are likely trying to distance themselves because they feel that same thing to a much greater degree.

I just wish he'd taken the same attitude that he does when he gets fired up on the floor of congress instead of trying to equivocate and weasel his way out of the hole he's dug for himself.

I could give two flying farts about him sending pictures or dirty jokes or sexy messages to people. Frankly, I don't even care if it was done with on "government time". I'd put money that there is not a single person who has never once spent time at work doing something other than their explicit job. Weiner should have manned up about it and then if the repugs came after him, remind them that people like Vitter, Larry Craig, Jim Gibbons, My esteemed *snort* Governor Mark Sanford and the like all got a pass. He could have put them on the defensive and pointed out their hypocrisy about how a photo to an adult is bad and resignation worthy, but Sanford humping an Argentinian while his wife and kids wait at home is ok.

[JJW]

31. I did not have sex with that lady Monica Lewinsky

Yup Clinton lied, wagged his finger at us and committed perjury. And the Senate found these did not rise to impeachable offenses. And Bill did not resign.

[No Elephants]

96. I agree in general, but, just fyi, the House decides whether something is an impeachable offense.

The Senate decides if the impeached official should be convicted (and therefore removed from office before expiratgion of the term of his or her office).

Clinton was impeached, but not removed from office.

[Old Codger]

36. They all

Each and every one of them that got caught out on any of these things got into it deeper than necessary because they attempted to lie their way out of it and cover it up, Nixon, Clinton and others, always more trouble by lying than the original problem.

[customerserviceguy]

64. Can we add to it the fact that he let himself be extorted by Breitbart?

All he got in exchange for putting Breitbart on stage was a phony promise not to show anyone the boner shot. What would he have done if any of the women had threatened to blackmail him?

[No Elephants]

99. What did Breitbart extort from Weiner? And "what if" is not a reason to

deprive his constituents of their right to vote him out or in again, nor is it a reason to deny him due process.

Inasmuch as Weiner does not seem to have committed any violation of any criminal code, the process that is due in this case, if anything, is an investigation by the House Ethics Committee to see if he committed any ethical violations. Or, if the Democrats are hell bent on getting him out, let them commence a proceeding to see if he should be expelled.

[customerserviceguy]

132. What Breitbart extorted was a chance to precede Weiner on stage

for the great mea culpa. Our enemy was given the one thing he couldn't 'earn' on his own, and that was legitimacy.

Right now, his constituents are being deprived of an active member of Congress, and even after he gets out of spa-hab, they'll be deprived of someone who has good committee assignments, and who others in Congress can trust and work with.

Also, those constituents are much more likely to have to call someone else their Representative, because a refusal to resign will seal the fate of Weiner's district, it will be eliminated.

[No Elephants]

95. What about Bubba's perjury?

"But then again, I wouldn't have put myself into a situation where I could be attacked for lying."

Maybe you would, if you got caught doing something embarrassing and you had a relatively new and very pregnant wife.

If you've never lied to avoid embarrassment to yourself and/or pain to someone you loved, you'd be a unique human being.

[Warrior Dash]

77. Indeed. Obama is pragmatic and Weiner is narcissistic.

[No Elephants]

100. With apologies to Bubba, that depends totally on your definition of "pragmatic."

As best I can tell, "pragmatic" is a term that's been used to rationalize away a bushel of failiings, apparently on the unproven assumption that whatever Obama did was the best any human being could reasonably have done.

[No Elephants]

91. Is he? Or is it just an easy thing for him to say, given he has not tweeted anyone (that we know

of)?

It's my observation that President Obama finds it easy to say whatever he believes will get him the result he wants.

[JohnnyLib2]

4. Dead man walking.

'Tis a shame.

[drokhole]

6. Et tu, Obama?

[Angry Dragon]

7. If I was President Obama I would start acting like a democrat

I would attack every lie the republicans spew.

[sasha031]

10. rec. k/r

:thumbsup:

[DJ13]

12. I would attack every lie the republicans spew.

Before or after golfing with them?

[Angry Dragon]

20. I golf .............. I have traveled to different areas of this country

golfing where I went and in that course of time I have met very few people I would not golf with again.
It could be because I do not golf at country clubs but the courses were you find real people, people
that just enjoy the game, travel, nature, a chance to forget the troubles of the world and just work
on your golf game and try to tame the course you are on. If I golfed with someone that was an ass
on the course I would not golf with them again.

Golf brings out who you really are on the course, hard to hide it.
The golf between boner and the president may help.

[DJ13]

22. I dont mind the golf, I mind that Obama limited it to the Republicans and Biden

He should have invited a couple of Congressional Democrats (preferably not conservaDems) along to provide some balance.

[Angry Dragon]

25. Perhaps he should have had a golf tourney..........

Hard to golf with more than a foursome........

[City Lights]

16. !

:thumbsup:

[kath]

76. yeah, like THAT's going to happen.

He just frickin' LURVES his Republican buddies.

[harun]

85. +1

[fascisthunter]

119. Excellent comeback!

[Lorien]

123. +1,000. I'd love to see Obama attack corrupt repugs

as often as he does Democrats.

[Baclava]

14. Obama throws him under the bus = Kiss of death

The peter tweeter has been hung out to dry.

[ixion]

15. the hypocrisy is staggering

:wow:

[CakeGrrl]

48. Why? Did the President get caught doing something illicit? When?

[ixion]

51. Every time a drone kills civilians in Pakistan, he does something far, far worse.

[CakeGrrl]

55. Sorry, but he's in the process of extracting us from these wars.

Yes, a bunch of people consider him a failure because he didn't wave a wand and stop it immediately, but to think that kind of a process turns on a dime in the political climate we have is pie-in-the-sky lack of realism.

It's an ugly fact of the Presidency in this country that soldiers can die in service. There wouldn't BE a Presidency if we asked Presidents to step down because of that.

Go have the military abolished. Go eliminate the need for armed forces to defend this country.

Then come back and get on the soapbox.

[krabigirl]

61. he is? really? well, he better stop starting new ones at the same time then..lol.

I think bombing people is much more immoral than tweeting your weiner, but that's just me.

[ixion]

69. I see. So it's okay that we committed war crimes, 'cause "we're in the process"

check. :eyes:

I've got news for you: We've been "in the process" for more than 10 years now, and it's looking like it will be at least 10 more.

[Ter]

86. Wow, people really believe that?

He's as pro-war as last president. If anything we're getting into more wars, not leaving any.

[No Elephants]

101. Some "arguments" are so messed up, I just don't know where to begin.

Sometimes, when that happens, I'll just post "LOL," but I can't do that about wars.

[Javaman]

103. LOLOLOLOLOL

:spray: >wipes tear from eye< oh oh, wait, I have to catch my breath...uh oh....LOLOLOLOLOLOL

:rofl:

[fascisthunter]

117. lol... killing is ok, but sending pics of one's genitalia privately is...

enough of the staggering bullshit.

[Lorien]

124. Absurd. nt

[Arctic Dave]

73. +1

Obama wanting to preach from a moral high ground is absurd because the hill he is standing is of dead bodies.

[Lorien]

125. Americans don't care about mass murder or torture

just sex. The sex lives of famous people in particular; anything to make themselves feel superior to the rich and/ or famous. Quite different from most of the rest of the world. What a fucked up set of priorities!

[onehandle]

18. Wait... How well does the President know 'Weiner's situation?'

Uh-oh.

[LAGC]

19. Yep.

I think the other shoe is about to drop.

:scared:

[CakeGrrl]

47. I had a feeling the Dem leadership knew a fair amount

when they were willing to publicly request Weiner's resignation.

[bahrbearian]

24. More Disappointment from Obama,,Never put on the comfy shoes

but golf shoes OK. I know I'm a professional Retard

[Gregorian]

26. WHILE ROME BURNS

Fucking stupid level of discussion.

/plays Melvin records at full volume for next ten hours.

[krabigirl]

60. +1,000,000. exactly!

[fascisthunter]

118. very true

[Lorien]

126. Indeed. nt

[JJW]

28. If I were Obama

1) I never would have given banksters a blank check.

2) I would have brought the troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan.

3) I would resign now, having failed to bring war criminals to justice.

4) I would have fought for the public option and/or medicare for all.

5) I would never have extended tax cuts to billionaires and millionaires.

6) I would have found my soft shoes and picketed with Wisconsin teachers, police, fire fighters, first responders, and nurses.

7) I would never have hired the corporate clowns he has put in charge of his administration.

8) I would have tried very hard to live up to my campaign promises.

9) I would have prosecuted the fraudsters in banking and on Wall St.

[Poll_Blind]

29. Oh, look who's being helpful!

PB

[wickerwoman]

30. Not a word about Wisconsin, because it's a "local matter"

and he wouldn't want to become the story, but this is the kind of thing the President of the US feels its within his brief to weigh in on...

[JJW]

33. President Reagan

stated that the right to collective bargaining in written in the US Constitution. Sad that Obama can only find his balls when it comes to stealing tax payer money for his corporate lords and war profiteers.

[No Elephants]

106. Basically, I agree, but.....

If men stopped attributing things like strength and courage to their genitals,maybe they'd be less tempted to tweet photos of them.

Many strong, brave women would beg to differ with the assumption that balls are even remotely related to strength and courage.

[LadyHawkAZ]

46. +1,000,000

[CakeGrrl]

53. I'd bet money the MSM ASKED him.

Why do you get the impression that the President couldn't wait to add an opinion?

I'm pretty sure I'll be right when the interview airs.

This place looks disturbingly like a RW blog sometimes.

[krabigirl]

63. seriously.

[Freddie Stubbs]

107. Perhaps he believes that Wisconsin Democrats have the situation under control and that

his involvement would only serve as a distraction.

[fascisthunter]

120. oooooh, Good One!!!!!

[webDude]

32. ?! You took a pass on GW but say Weiner should resign cause he flashed his...

..."weiner"? Please, please, just get off the stage.

[deminks]

34. Then you should have resigned during the birther nonsense? I don't follow your reasoning, O.

That was a big distraction, so was the Rev. Wright nonsense. But then libruls are all "retards" anyway, right O?

[CakeGrrl]

45. I follow his reasoning. Here's how it goes:

President Obama didn't do anything wrong. If people want to go nuts about his race and make unfounded claims, he can't stop them. But he can ignore them and continue to do the work of this country.

But when a man sends pictures of his erect penis to women who aren't his wife and then lies when someone finds out, then tearfully recants, it can dog that person and impact his credibility and effectiveness. Never mind the extra "harder they fall" factor of hopping on a soapbox to attack someone else's moral character.

Pretty simple stuff.

[girl gone mad]

35. And if I were Obama, I would bow out of the 2012 race..

having failed so spectacularly to reign in the massive fraud and corruption within the economy, create jobs, end the wars, win broad bipartisan support for any type of reform, lower health care costs, or make life measurably better for the average citizen.

We're each entitled to our opinions.

[CakeGrrl]

41. Do tell who would've turned all that crap around by now.

:rofl:

:crazy:

[locahungaria]

74. Ralph Nader? Dennis Kucinich? Certainly FDR. LBJ. Nixon?

But Obama sure ain't FDR now, is he? Hell I'd take NIXON over him. Certainly Eisenhower. I can't believe I actually VOTED for this corporate shill. :puke:

[CakeGrrl]

83. Yes, your dream candidate can fix all sorts of things in Dreamworld. n/t

[No Elephants]

104. And in another Dreamworld, no one could possibly do any better than Obama has done.

[Lorien]

129. Absolutely

:thumbsup:

[oldbanjo]

37. Weiner should stay and let them force him out

due to a medical condition and he will draw a disability retirement for the rest of his life, if they want him out so bad.

[deminks]

38. O doesn't fight for much of anybody, does he?

Rev. Wright was a distraction. The birther nonsense was a distraction. I think the constituents in Rep. Weiner's district deserve to know why the President is throwing their representation away.

[CakeGrrl]

42. WTF?

Did you read what he said? He agreed, as everyone else has said, that it's ultimately Weiner's decision.

Where do you get that the President is throwing representation away?

People really just see what they want to see, it seems.

[loyalsister]

54. Of course

At the end of the day it's up to his constituents. Maybe serve out his turn and not run again? I hear it doesn't matter since his district will probably be eliminated. If he stays I hope very much that he will no longer be showing up as a national spokesman for liberal causes.
The main problem here is that it wouldn't be such a big deal 1. if he hadn't lied, 2. if he was not so well known. The fact that he has put himself up as a spokesman- and was GREAT at it- is what makes this so tragic.
I think that it is legitimate to leave it up to voters. At the same time, given his high profile, it doesn't seem unreasonable for some of us to hope he will walk away so that the storm will calm.
Especially colleagues.

[Maven]

67. Only Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon.

[Lorien]

127. Oh, I don't know; he fights for corporate profits

in his own unique way.

[anAustralianobserver]

40. It's a fair enough statement; he said "if it was me I would resign", not "if I was him..." which

wouldn't be true.

[anAustralianobserver]

80. I take it back after reading the rest of the statement.

Obama's not just staying neutral; he's yielding to the RW media against his own better judgement imo.

[laylah]

44. With all due respect, Mr. President...

you are looking back NOW because???????? Unfortunately, for me, because you CHOSE not to allow YOUR JD to investigate and INDICT those that lied, put this country into this situation, and killed THOUSANDS of innocents, along with pilfering BILLIONS of OUR dollars, your opinion in this matter, Sir, means nothing to me!

[NorthCarolina]

49. Penis envy?

:shrug:

[Hassin Bin Sober]

52. Someone with a "boneheaded" shady Rezko land deal in his past should throw stones.

[theaocp]

56. What happened to looking forward and not back?

Try attacking Republicans once in a while. You might find that you like it. Grayson has some advice: Go on the offense and stay there. Unless IOKIYAR.

[krabigirl]

62. Why would he attack Republicans? The corporate Democrats just want Republicans to like them! so sad!

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Let me get this straight...

Vitter was CONVICTED and he is still there...

DEMS need a fracking backbone.

[ooglymoogly]

58. Then reisign Mr. President.

It has become clear, your preference and support is for the Blanch Lincolns of this country.

[krabigirl]

59. ugh..just ugh.

[Maven]

65. President Cave strikes again.

It's a good thing (as we've been reassured right here on DU) that this would NEVER happen to Obama because he's a perfect human being.

[BadtotheboneBob]

66. He can't resign...

...what would he do for an income? He's never had a job outside of politics. His degree is in Political Science. Besides, his 'treatment' is probably covered under that fabulous congressional health care plan. It's all about the paycheck and benefits at this point...

[larwdem]

68. I think

you should resign mr president, joe biden is more progressive.
:kick:

[Doctor_J]

70. Did he call for Whoremonger Vitter's resignation too?

Diaper Dave actually admitted to felonies. Where was the prez on that one?

[Beacool]

71. Obama is running for reelection, he'll throw anyone who gets in his way under the bus.

That's politics, they all eat their own.

:shrug:

[alp227]

72. But the House leadership can put Weiner on a short leash by committee revocation for example

His committees and caucuses can hold hearings this week according to the WSJ in order to expel him, so Weiner becomes more worthless.

The House could even censure Weiner or even hold a vote to expel him - a dangerous vote given the current party composition of the house.

And for those complaining about how the Democrats won't defend Weiner, note that Republicans didn't defend Larry Craig, either.

When the revelations about David Vitter came out, Republicans were on the defensive, especially since at the time the governor of Vitter's state Louisiana was a Democrat.

And Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell blatantly refused to answer any questions about the Ensign scandal.

[No Elephants]

108. Yeah, you know, like how the Democrats punished Lieberman. Oh, wait....

[Zorra]

75. Yeah, like extending the Bush tax cuts and breaking all those campaign promises was appropriate

Pot, meet kettle.

I'll consider believing in Obama again if the Bush tax cuts for the rich are ended during his administration.

[No Elephants]

110. This is not "pot meet kettle." Weiner's tweets did not hurt the elderly, the sick

or the poor, unless they unreasonably choose to take this personally, nor did they hurt the nation.

[Lorien]

131. Good point. nt

[BlueIris]

78. Famous last (political) words, Mr. President.

I will hold you to them, Sir.

[w4rma]

79. Of course he would. We already knew that Obama caves to his alleged opponents every time. (nt)

[Winglessnews]

81. He shouldn't have become involved

He would do better not commenting on media circuses. He's the President, not an anchor on Morning Joe.

[No Elephants]

112. He doesn't seem to have that gene.

When Dick Gregory asked Pres. obama why Canye West did what he did to Taylor Swift. Obama did not have to reply "Because he's an asshole." He could have said simply, "You'd have to ask him."

He didn't need to comment during a press conference on Professor Gates and make his friend eat Crow , either. He could have said he did not have all the facts yet, instead of having to backpedal and hold a beer summit later.

[dflprincess]

82. Doens't he understand that Weiner's actions are in the past

and we should be looking forward, not back - or does that only apply to war crimes?

[Phlem]

84. typical

coming from a moderate republican.

-p

[Nossida]

87. Do Anything

Just get it OFF the television. Pleeeeeeeze.

[gkhouston]

88. Oh, so he DOES know people are worrying about jobs and mortgages and paying bills.

That's news.

[Township75]

98. Good! Weiner brought this on himself. It isn't always a good idea to be a narcissistic a-hole.

Just a thought.

[rbnyc]

102. It's probably not a good idea...

...for any sitting president to describe the conditions under which he or she would resign.

What are the chances that there is now a team working to create the appearance of those conditions?

[Javaman]

105. Weiner meet bus wheels.

thanks president obama, bang up job! :eyes:

Whatever happened to the perception of obama being "above it all"?

[Lorien]

130. That only happens when union workers are involved. nt

[Demeter]

109. Obama Can Resign

might not be a bad idea....

[unionworks]

111. No Progressives Allowed

This has made it completely clear to me that progressives are not wanted in the democratic rank and file. This is the kind of support they can expect when they step in it. It's their reward for hanging it out there (full pun) and taking all the risks, doing what the mainstream of the party SHOULD be doing for us.

[Lorien]

128. Yep. They only want "Democrats" who vote like old fashioned republicans

they don't want anyone left of center in the party; not good for their corporate master's bottom line.

[No Elephants]

113. Bad enough Obama threw Weiner under the bus. Did he have to make two grammatical errors in one

clause while so doing?

“I can tell you that if it was me, I would resign,’’ Obama told Curry.

[truthisfreedom]

115. “I can tell you that if it was I, he would resign,’’ Obama told Curry.

Or something like that.

[fascisthunter]

116. yuh... I'm sure you would

... funny how you had nothing to do with Wisconsin and the plight of the union workers.