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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:13 AM
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Workers evacuated, gray smoke from Reactor #3
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 03:18 AM by jtuck004
Source: Listening to CNN

I will hunt down a link. This is just a few minutes ago, new report.

here's one - http://www.kxnet.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=746019
not very informative.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/gray-smoke-rises-at-japanese-nuclear-plant-1334649.html


You, as well as the people in need outside of the area of the reactors, are in our thoughts.


No link yet.
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:38 AM
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1. From Kyodo news...
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/79920.html

Grayish smoke was seen billowing from a building that houses the No. 3 reactor of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station on Monday, plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said.

After the smoke was spotted at the southeast of the building around 3:55 p.m., TEPCO said it had temporarily evacuated its workers from the site as it assessed the situation.
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:13 AM
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2. Naval ships, firefighting ships, pour the water to it. Build a pond, drag
the spent fuel over there when it is cool enough. But some are breached, need fix or lots and lots more water.

People are the problem now.

Whoa. Stop the presses. NEWS FLASH: Engineer Breaks Rules: :)

"Fukushima plant operator faked repair records" here

Like a senior plant engineer hasn't ignored the rules before. From Jim Ollhoff, a study of Chernobyl Here.


...
"Further, safety rules are not designed so that people are killed instantly when the safety standard is broken. On a 55-mile per hour limit on a highway, cars do not suddenly burst into flames at 56 miles per hour. In fact, there is an advantage to going 56 miles an hour as opposed to 55 (you get to your destination faster). In the same way, engineers frequently view safety rules as troublesome, and there is an advantage to have the freedom to disregard them."

"Toptunov, the reactor control engineer, refused to remove any more rods. He believed it would be unsafe to increase the power. With the reactor operating at 1%, and the minimum number of control rods in the reactor, he believed it would be unsafe to remove more rods. He was abiding by a strict interpretation of the safety protocols of 28 rods.

But Dyatlov continued to rage, swearing at the engineers and demanding they increase power. Dyatlov threatened to fire Toptunov immediately if he didn’t increase the power."

Conclusion
While there were a few design errors that contributed to the disaster, the Chernobyl case study illustrates that people's problem-solving errors can be catastrophic. The grim chronology of Chernobyl outlines the unfolding of a logic of human error. It illustrates the development of human error—how it is not a decision, but a process. Human error, ubiquitous in all its forms and modes, unfolds with a peculiar logic that is all its own.
...




Dyatlov got his way...










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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:41 AM
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3. Once again this is the problem with nuclear power...
They haven't found a way to design perfect humans yet.
Thus what happens in reality will often fall tragically short of what theoretically should.
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