Julian Assange's lawyer makes graphic defence during extradition hearing

[Turborama]

Source: The Guardian

WikiLeaks founder's QC said Swedish woman's accusation of sexual assault described the 'missionary position'

Esther Addley | Friday February 11 2011 19.33 GMT

The accusation of sexual assault made against Julian Assange by one of his two alleged Swedish victims describes "the missionary position", his lawyer said in court , as he denied such an attack took place.

Geoffrey Robertson QC told the extradition hearing, at Belmarsh magistrate's court in south London, that any resistance had been "unarticulated" on the part of Miss A, who has accused the WikiLeaks founder of ripping off her clothes, snapping a necklace, pinning her down and trying to force himself on her without wearing a condom.

"In so far as Mr Assange held her arms and there was a forceful spreading of her legs, there's no allegation that this was without her consent," he said. "Sexual encounters have their ups and downs, their ebbs and flows. What may be unwanted one moment can with further empathy become desired. These complex human interactions are not criminal in this country."

The argument that Assange used the weight of his body to pin her down "describes what is usually termed the missionary position," he said.


Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/feb/11/julian-assange-missionary-position-wikileaks?CMP=twt_iph

[midnight]

1. This is going to be informative to those in the dating world...

The argument that Assange used the weight of his body to pin her down "describes what is usually termed the missionary position," he said.

[The Doctor.]

3. Yes, sex that she might enjoy is also grounds for accusations of rape.

Fuck that.

I'll never do that voodoo that I do so damn well again. If she wants me, she'll have me by webphone.

I urge all men to run like hell from any woman's advances. She'll seduce you and then sling your ass in jail for 'rape'.

Too many of them do it.

I won't touch them without legal agreements anymore.

[The Doctor.]

2. If what he did can be considered 'rape',

Then all acts of passionate sex are 'rape'.

That would mean that I raped my wife frequently while she was very much consenting.

That means that men should not ever have sex with women in a way that they may only be 'pretending' to enjoy.

So... men should never have sex with women because they may very well turn around and claim 'rape'.


Frankly, I'm thinking that is the solution. Treat every woman as though she might turn around and accuse a man of rape. That is the lesson we should take away from this.


Make no mistake, I'm taking this seriously. These women are proving that women cannot be trusted intimately. If you are not married to them, don't have sex with them because they will turn on you. I'm starting to understand some things.

(for those who don't get it, this is a challenge.)

[joshcryer]

4. Just film it and ask permission to do shit every 5 minutes.

Not a big deal... :twisted:

[sabrina 1]

5. Those women, at least one of them, is an extremist

radical 'feminist'. Like all movements, the women's movement attracted some disturbed people with definite issues and normal women reject this kind of extremism. I think you just have to make sure you are not dealing with such a woman who is definitely not the norm.

This woman sat around blogging about how to get revenge on men who they feel reject them. One of the ways was exactly what she is doing in this case.

Fortunately before she scrubbed her blog, a lot of people got screen captures and copied many of her raving diatribes.

Her lawyer belongs to a 'sect' (can't think of a better word for it) that believes all men are guilty of abusing women, because some are. He supported passing a law in Sweden that would make all men pay, by way of a 'Man Tax' for their 'collective guilt'.

These are strange people. Assange was very, very foolish to ever get involved intimately with that woman. Maybe he didn't know anything about her but she's, to be kind, a little strange with huge issues when it comes to men.

I agree with you that what is being described here is simply sex between two people, and if that is now a crime, then yes, men should avoid any sex with any woman.

Otoh, I think the whole thing should, and would (if they ever get around to filing charges) be laughed out of court.

Which is probably why they have NOT filed charges, but are dragging it out to get the maximum negative effect against Julian Assange.

Anyhow, try not to judge all women by this one. Imho as a woman, and I have met one or two odd women like her, she needs some serious counseling when it comes to relationships with men.

[cosmicone]

9. Great post ... n/t

[Swagman]

6. The British prosecutor stridently demanding Assange is extradited

on highly dubious claims...who defended the Swedish Prime Minister's 'right' (which he does not have)to publicly damn Assange to the whole of Sweden in unprecedented language guaranteed to inspire hate against him....that prosecutor Claire Montgomery QC successfully defended the vile murderer Augusto Pinochet when Spain wished to extradite him for his crimes against humanity and in particular the murder of Spanish nationals who were tortured, brutalized and in some cases machine gunned en masse in a Chile football stadium.

She should hang her head is shame.

[CJvR]

7. Sorry.

If anyone feels anything about Assange, other than indifference, it is likely annoyance at his crazy lawyer ( well he looked nuts on TV ) trying to declare Sweden a banana republic - which I suspect triggered the PM's little rant when he should have known better.

[SkyDaddy7]

8. Such a "forcible rape" would have obvious signs...

on the women's bodies! Is there not obvious bruising to a woman's inner-thighs if a man forces her legs open, bruising of other parts of her body like her wrist because he obviously had to restrain her arms as well as bruising in more sensitive areas when a woman is raped in such a "forcible way"? I used to work for a criminal defense attorney & I have seen pictures of two different women from two different rape cases & the bruising on both their bodies was heartbreakingly bad! Especially the inner thighs & wrists!

If so, produce that evidence & if they cannot show such signs then drop the case as there are already evidence these women did not seem upset to others shortly after the so-called nightmare of forcible rape took place.

Am I missing something? If so, someone please enlighten me!

If they were role playing rape like some couples do then there would not be such signs of trauma because role playing is not a fight for one's life which does result in violent bruising, correct?

[M155Y_A1CH]

10. Role playing can be very violent

I had S&M neighbors once upon a time. Scary stuff, that.