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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:22 PM Original message |
Calif. Police Officers Kill Man Pointing Water Nozzle, Not Gun |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. Gunned him down with no warning. Murder (not "suicide") by cop. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. You dont get a warning when you point a gun at the police |
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savalez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Ok tough guy. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Missing the part of the post with content? |
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savalez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. You are assuming that the victim thought it looked like a gun too. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. He was shit drunk and teh stupid over took him. That or he was to lazy to jump off the bridge |
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savalez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:11 PM Original message |
Why are you so angry at the victim? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
24. For the same reason everyone else yells "murder" and "brutality" |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #24 |
152. Non-answer. And the issue is not whether a man's behavior led to his death, but |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #152 |
181. So the 911 callers (plural) they were in on it too?(nt) |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
25. He is compelled to find police shootings justified. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. That an adhom, a lie, and not proven out by any of my posts. I do support common sense |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. You consistently demean shooting victims of overzealous police. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. that is not true, not backed up by my post history, and ad-hom |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. You and I talk in every one of these killer police threads. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Your claim, you back it up. Its not true.(nt) |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #48 |
148. Texas is claiming a post by you supporting a victim of a police shooting |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:54 AM Response to Reply #148 |
196. watch and learn, outcome here will finalize this trivial |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #45 |
175. There was one in the Seattle area |
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smiley (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
71. why do you take the police's word? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. For the same reason you assume they murdered the man in cold blood |
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smiley (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #73 |
101. my reason was because the fraternal order of police.... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Broad brush have a history of being |
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smiley (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #105 |
113. I have a history of using small brushes when I paint... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:09 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. I am a materials engineer specializing in custom PLC |
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smiley (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #115 |
129. I can now see where your opinion comes from. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #129 |
134. Well my job |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #73 |
149. Another non-answer. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #149 |
176. Why do I believe them? Because it makes sense when 2 people call in a man with a gun call |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
121. he demeans anyone and everyone not part of an authoritarian power structure |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. Whatever my issues they are not manifested in constructing a well formed position |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #123 |
130. be my guest |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. Cops plural.. |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
56. Actually... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. What an elegant adhom. and presented an elegant counerpoint to the argument |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. What is an adhom? Is that an English word? n/t |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. latin for unable to refute fact, so attack person presenting it.. |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
84. No, your statement is incorrect. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Unless the poster is telepathic freud jeebus. he has no idea of my emotional position. |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Go ahead... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #92 |
106. I stand by my statement. teh stupid kills |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #64 |
145. No, Latin for "to the man." And making an ad hominen argument or response does |
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armodem08 (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. Ad hominem? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Its against the rules and generally poor form..(nt) |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. His alone? Wow. Would you say that if your 6 year old pointed a toy gun at a cop and was blown away |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. He was not six, but a fully formed, shit drunk moron. |
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savalez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. There you go again. Lighten up. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. ad hom, focus. every little kid knows you dont point you toy gun at the police |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. Poor police work. Again. They shot him unnecessarily. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Stupidity has a cost. It cost this man his life. Every person knows you dont point |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Stupid men who had badges and guns but no sense cost him his life. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I assume when you were a child someone told you not to point a toy gun at the police?? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. You believe the police. I don't. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. That post, is filled with assumptions about the police. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
59. One interesting comment posted on the article you linked, Pavulon: |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 08:44 PM Response to Reply #59 |
97. The police never i.d.'d themselves. He didn't know the cops were there. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. Until he pointed something that looked like a gun at a man in Uniform? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. Yes -- read: "...made no attempt to contact him before opening fire" |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. They dont have to.. Only factor that matters. He either did or did not |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. Well, no, in the world of Pavulon they can shoot first! And are thereby off the hook! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. no in reality police can shoot first. contrary to popular belief |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. And no law that's on the books can *ever* be wrong! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Hey, think for a minute. You ever use a two handed grip to water the lawn? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. Well, at least you're agreeing the guy was, essentially, ambushed. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. In an ambush everyone has guns and is trying to kill the other people.. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. "In an ambush everyone has guns and is trying to kill the other people." |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #133 |
137. Proof that stupid kills, Darwin Award |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #137 |
143. Well, Pavulon, there are regimes where "the stupid deserve to be shot" |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #114 |
162. Beside the point. No one said they had to. Issue is, was there any reason rhey didn't? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #162 |
182. Point a gun in real life the response is not verbal. Maybe on the tv |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #108 |
165. You read Replies 60 & 76. They said they had taken cover to observe him and did not make him aware |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #59 |
157. Article says the police said they shot before making him aware of their presence. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #157 |
183. Reading comprehension fail. officer stated dead guy pointed what looked like a gun at officer |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #41 |
154. Anymore? Was that ever a standard instruction? |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
146. How dare he water his lawn! And with booze in him! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #146 |
158. Even better: sitting on a back yard porch landing. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #146 |
189. Hmm not what the facts seem to be.. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #189 |
199. Try a smidge of reading: |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
151. Do you know of any reason why the police would not warn him before killing him? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
96. Yes, well it was a sprinkler nozzle. Happy hunting. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #10 |
150. He didn't point a gun at the police. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #150 |
188. Sure he did... I think directly means something here... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
174. OK. You've proven how much bigger your penis is to everyone. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #174 |
186. so my cock is related to the position that pointing a gun looking object at police is stupid |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #186 |
192. Yes and IMO they overreacted. They murdered the guy. |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. The rich are committing larceny. The police are committing murder. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. This is what I worry about. They are laying off cops all over. THey then hire militia thugs |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. No this really is a darwin award or a person who did not want to drive to the GG Bridge |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. He was drunk and you want him to drive 400 miles. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. Odd that Police Unions would stand for that |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. Some pretty poor training if they can not tell the difference |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. This was murder... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. When I was a wee lad, someone told me not to point toy guns at the police |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
171. Why do you continue to lie? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #171 |
185. At the 2 officers that shot him or another officer, re-read |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
6. P.S...the number of shots and the guns used was shocking... |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
90. 2 shots from a shotgun and 6 from pistol |
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knoxy (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #90 |
117. More were shot. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
7. Here is what he pointed at the police, any one live there at 445 here it is dusk Darwin. |
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savalez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. So what are you saying? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Nope, for pointing it. He killed himself when he did that. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. How do you know he even noticed the cops when he was waving it towards them? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Officer states he pointed object at an officer. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. Interesting. So how do you defend the seven hour wait that the cops put his family through? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Because "were really sorry we told you this person was dead when it was really |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
127. yes, but what if the officer is a lying fuck? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #127 |
138. All of the officers and the two people who are on tape calling in man with a gun calls to 911 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
167. Did you see an official police report? |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
72. Man my fingers "look" like a gun |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Good luck with that. The "Pigs" have it in for ya man.. |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Yea. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Well if you see an officer in Germany with an MP5 in a train station or airport |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 09:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
102. Lets look at that picture |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. When I looked and an IDPA ESP gun with an aftermarked BBL. |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #107 |
173. You don't get it do you? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. Just wait and see. TIme will bear this out. He acted like he had a gun, there was no hose attached |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:25 AM Response to Reply #107 |
193. I bet the official report says you are right |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
172. Once again you're lying |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:33 PM Response to Reply #172 |
178. I'm lying, by jove you have me |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
9. Was it attached to a water hose? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Probably not, I dont water my lawn using an Isometric Grip. |
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Boxerfan (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. Disgusting to say the least...Your opinion is no possible way the police made any mistake |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. No its a straight Darwin Award. You point that at an armed officer in Germany or the UK |
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Boxerfan (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. You da MAN!! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I have never seen anyone use a two handed grip on a water nozzle |
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NeoConsSuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
103. A jury will make a decison |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. There always is.. Loose loose, city has to defend it |
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lefty2000 (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
42. Reality Doesn't Matter? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Pointing what looks like a gun at a police officer is a mistake |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #44 |
62. And if they haven't identified themselves as such? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. If they were wearing a uniform and he pointed what looks like a gun, well unlike on tv |
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savalez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Well said lefty2000 |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. They should have shot the gun out of his hand... |
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savalez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. What gun? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Oh, they should have had precrime come over and tell him not to get shithammered |
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HardWorkingDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. Many sincere police have been trying for years....however... |
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savalez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #55 |
80. Respectfully I have some issues with your post. |
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HardWorkingDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #80 |
104. That's fine.... |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
51. Guns don't kill people. Assholes with guns kill people. nt |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Tear down the golden gate bridge, people use it to kill themselves |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
60. Here's the problem... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. More than one officer.. |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. That's not what this article says |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Well unless that officer had a handgun and shotgun firing at the same time |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. No, I'm not disputing that |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Without their report we are relying on press accounts.. |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:29 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Thank you for making my point. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. No you can only be 99% sure this moron killed himself. Note the comment about criminal conspiracy |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #78 |
159. My reaction was almost identical to yours. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #77 |
156. Press accounts were enough for you to say over and over that this guy asked for it. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #156 |
179. It possible he had a water hose hanging out his ass communicating with mars |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #65 |
81. Article isn't the be-all end all of an inquest. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Given his weapon an umbrella would be cover.. In retrospect |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. I never claimed that it was. |
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armodem08 (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. +1 Well put. n/t |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
94. The officers was in cover, and didn't identify themselves? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #94 |
110. Based on the types of holes poked. There were more than one officers |
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smiley (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
67. the cops say he pointed it at them before they shot. |
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Mortos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
79. Read the story and look at the picture. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. No its a criminal conspiracy by the police hit squat to kill the citizens |
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Mortos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Along that same line of logic |
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azureblue (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #79 |
89. Two nervous, untrained cops |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. You don't have a clue as to their training |
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Mortos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. You figured it out. |
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knoxy (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #79 |
119. He had a clean record. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. Again, he either pointed what looks like a gun at the police or he did not. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
93. Tragic mistake. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. Two questions. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I take it your point is that there is much unkown about this situation, and that there are certainly |
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Mortos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 09:26 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. To answer your questions |
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knoxy (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #100 |
116. You have your facts wrong. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #116 |
122. I guess they did not have a rifle. Blame the drunk moron who killed himself |
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knoxy (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 11:49 AM Original message |
Double post |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #122 |
163. Deleted message |
Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #98 |
111. One question, it is the only one that matters |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #111 |
136. It's not that simple at all. Even if he did point the object at the police, it's still |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:02 AM Response to Reply #136 |
139. If he pointed what looks like a gun at a uniformed officer |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:17 AM Response to Reply #139 |
141. Granting all of that, it is still valid - and in this case I'd say necessary - to |
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BakedAtAMileHigh (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #139 |
161. you mean it is what YOU would expect, apparently |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #111 |
166. Not so. If no they may well get away with lying since the only witnesses are cops and a dead guy. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #166 |
180. so you assume they are lying, why? |
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itsrobert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
132. Normally, I take the cops side in these cases, but |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #132 |
140. and the 2 911 calls on man with a gun, on tape.. |
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itsrobert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #140 |
142. Have you listened to the full tapes? |
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Mortos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:10 AM Response to Reply #142 |
144. Where can we listen to the tapes? |
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knoxy (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #144 |
169. LBPost or LBReport |
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BakedAtAMileHigh (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #142 |
160. Pav doesn't care about what is true or decent |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #160 |
184. cause i'm a bad bad man. hide your wives, hide your kids....(nt) |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #184 |
191. May I quote you? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:55 AM Response to Reply #191 |
197. yes run and tell that, run and tell that...(nt) |
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xor (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
147. Why were the police called anyway? Is it illegal to site in your backyard with a gun? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #147 |
153. No, it's not illegal to display a firearm in California if you are on your own property |
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knoxy (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #147 |
168. They were called |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #168 |
190. Twice, they were called by TWO people. Not just one.. |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
155. Background: nozzles on hose-ends are required by law, here. |
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knoxy (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #155 |
164. The talk in LBC |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
170. The father of an 8 year old who did not want to drive home drunk, so he went to his friend's place . |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #170 |
187. no darwin award then... dont point what looks like a gun at police, your mileage may vary |
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johnroshan (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:33 AM Response to Reply #187 |
194. You never addressed this question. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:52 AM Response to Reply #194 |
195. The statement is clear, directly pointed |
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johnroshan (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:47 AM Response to Reply #195 |
198. I think you're mistaken. |
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crim son (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
200. The stupid has crept into every aspect of American society, |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 06:31 AM Response to Original message |
201. Is there an award for the world's dumbest police officers? |
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